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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:31 PM
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From The Nation Cruise Dean speaks on the health care bill.
This article from the Kansas Free Press is from yesterday, so I wonder what he would have to say about Lieberman's shenanigans today?

Speaking with Howard Dean are Katrina vanden Heuvel and Robert Scheer of Truthdig in the LA Times.

Report from The Nation Cruise: Interview with Howard Dean

Vanden Heuvel then asked what the chances were for real health care reform. Congress isn't going to reform health care, but what he hopes is that the bill will provide the American consumer with real choices that allows us to reform the system ourselves through those choices. "Change comes from the bottom up," he said.

Citing the disgruntle opinions most progressive have of what the health reform bill working is way through the Congress she asked: "How do people compromise?"

Dean said the progressives have to remain engaged. "The expansion of Medicare (lowering the enrollment age to 55) will be a step in the right direction and will lead us to where we need to be in 30 years," he said.


Assume he is not aware yet that Lieberman axed the Medicare buy-in. Dean considers Medicare as a public option, but has recommended doing both Medicare and a public option side by side.

And with no public option?

For Dean, if the Senate passes a bill with no public option of any sorts in the legislation, then the bill needs to be killed and the American people have to hold their elected officials accountable. What he hopes is that the Senate provision that 90% of health insurance company revenues need to be spent on health care will remain, but people have to fight to make use it does.


Scheer asked him about correcting the mistakes made during the Clinton administration about deregulating capitalism.

Dean responded by saying that "capitalism is great, if you have a referee on the field and we don't." As for reforming the banking system, Dean stated that he "didn't know what happened to Obama."

In evaluating the current state of affairs, Dean said that "we learned a lot from the (Great) Depression and we had a good model; now we have a casino for a financial system." He went on to say that he did not understand why we were not fundamentally changing the financial system to which Scheer pointed out that Robert Ruben and the lobbyists took American mortgages and "reversed FDR to allow capitalism to be run by its own greed" implying that they were still calling the shots and were in no mood to change their greedy ways. We have the people who cause the crisis still running the entire sector.


She asks him about having a primary against Lieberman.

Dean responded by reviewing some of the changes he had brought to the party, such as the 50-state strategy, which he credited with reviving the party. He felt strongly that "the party shouldn't choose who is going to win in primaries," saying that primaries were good for the party and enable people to put forth candidates who were responsive to their local constituency. However, he felt that no money should be given to those incumbents who oppose health care reform.


To his credit when he was chairman, the DNC..unlike the DCCC and the DSCC...did not interfere in primary races.

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:36 PM
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1. If Dean decides to run for President again, I am ALL IN.
I knew when I backed him he was the best person for the job. He is still the only hope we have. Damn.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:54 PM
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2. I never thought I'd say this...
...but, if the Lieberman-approved HCR bill is the one we wind up getting, I hope Dr. Dean starts up a third party. I'll join it...even if it means Republicans in power for a few years. I can no longer see any chance Obama & the current Dems will do anything other than re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic and pretend it's "fundamental change."

Tombstone me if you want.

:-(

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:59 PM
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4. He really thought more Dems was the solution to the problem.
And he worked so hard. Breaks my heart.
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 11:08 PM
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6. I doubt the Repugs could do half as much damage
as the Dems are planning to do with this bill.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 11:38 PM
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7. I don't want to see it pass now.
Not without more reassurance that people can afford the mandate to buy it.

This is serious business and the Conservadems are playing politics with it, not caring about the people.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:23 AM
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10. I never thought I'd say this....but I agree. I'd throw in with Howard Dean.
I did not support him when he ran before, but he has proven himself an imaginative, honest, and progressive leader.


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Dean responded by saying that "capitalism is great, if you have a referee on the field and we don't." As for reforming the banking system, Dean stated that he "didn't know what happened to Obama."

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:06 PM
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12. I thought there would be more regulation of the banking system....
so I agree on that. He does appear surprised at the lack of it on Obama's part.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:15 PM
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13. Count me in. n/t
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 11:49 PM
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8. Dean and Kerry were both better options than our entire field in '08
It's a shame to admit that. We had two people who could have been great Presidents that ran one election too early.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:59 PM
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3. Once again, Dr. Dean speaks the truth.
No public option = No reform. No reform = kill the worthless shit bill and start over.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 11:04 PM
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5. I am starting to agree on that.
I don't trust that is a good bill...not anymore.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:12 AM
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9. He is right...the bill now needs to be killed.
They have been too secretive about what is in it. I do not trust them, it could do harm.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:40 AM
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11. Dean spoke in WA State at our PCO training in 2005
He said exactly the same thing about primaries then. "It is my job to elect Democrats. It is your job to decide which Democrats to elect."
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