Why do Dean, Krugman, Sanders & Weiner seem to like the new healthcare compromise?

[HughMoran]

These are people that carry a lot of weight with me and many others here on DU.


What do they know that we don't?



:shrug:

[eleny]

1. Weiner is coming up on Rachel's tv program - so hang in there

[HuckleB]

2. Do they know what's in the "compromise?"

And the "compromise" has been described as very general. As a way to keep things moving, but not anywhere near a final deal.

[Sebastian Doyle]

3. Good question

Because I'm not seeing anything in there to like.

On the other hand, aren't those guys all over 55? ;)

(Maybe not Weiner, but I'm pretty sure the others are)

[HuckleB]

8. What are you seeing, and where are you seeing it?

[Sebastian Doyle]

23. Well, I was referring mostly to the forced corporate insurance

for those of us under 55. I'm not seeing much of anything now, since Comca$t screwed up my TV again and I got no more MSNBC. :evilfrown:

[HuckleB]

34. Ok, but where are the detailed reports about the current "compromise?"

All I can find are rumors.

[Teaser]

4. They are being bribed by Sarah Palin

it is the only explanation.

damn her. and damn them.

[Pirate Smile]

5. Ed and Keith play the funeral dirge yet Dean, Ezra Klein, Krugman, Sanders & Weiner have a different

reaction.

Hmmmm who to believe. I'll go with Howard, Ezra and Bernie.

Don't forget that Sherrod Brown and Jay Rockefeller also from the group of 10.

[rucky]

6. They're thinking long term. n/t

[xchrom]

7. they HAVE to sell you something out of this debacle.

they're are selling the best they've got.

[Ildem09]

9. Bingo Bongo!

Bernie, Russ, and Sherrod, are stand up folks. I'll throw my own Dick Durbin in their too. I trust these guys on a lot of things. if they are down with it I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. its the best part of a shitsandwhich

[HughMoran]

10. Weiner? Dean? Krugman?

None are Senators and Weiner is a strong single-payer proponent.

What would drive these disparate personalities to agree on anything?

[HuckleB]

18. +1

[xchrom]

22. they have to sell you something -- even the good guys.

we're gonna get nothing really great out of this -- but they're gonna line up behind each other.

if you don't believe that -- i have the deed to the brooklyn bridge available for $50. --

[HughMoran]

30. I'll take that bridge off your hands

$50 - such a deal!

[xchrom]

40. i'm tempted myself. nt

[HuckleB]

17. Hardly.

You're not making a lick of sense.

[xchrom]

21. horse shit -- and that's the sense you're making. nt

[HuckleB]

29. They have nothing to sell.

Thus, you are selling fiction.

[xchrom]

39. oy -- if you think getting something just north of every one's worst efforts

and being sold on it is nothing -- then you have problems.

these 'compromises' even the good guys have to 'sell' -- because they aren't that workings aren't that 'good'.

[HuckleB]

41. Thanks for the cliches about a "compromise" you know little about.

And which is nowhere near the final outcome.

[xchrom]

43. project much? nt

[HuckleB]

45. Hardly.

No one knows much about the current "compromise." That's why the rants today are absolutely ludicrous.

[midnight]

11. Very good question....

[backscatter712]

12. Because the Medicare buy-in is actually public option in disguise.

Much more marketable with the name "Medicare" instead of "public option", don't you think?

Shhhhh...

[Sebastian Doyle]

32. How do you figure that?

You have to be uninsured and over 55 to get in. Nobody else has any choice, they will be FORCED to pay a corporate insurance company whatever the Hell they want.

[backscatter712]

38. It's not like the public option didn't have equally arbitrary restrictions.

I hate to say it, but the public option was so badly watered down it was nearly useless as it stood in the Senate. As it was going, you'd be able to get into the public option only if you were unemployed & uninsured, only if you lived in states where your governor and state legislature weren't douchebags, and only if the insurance companies were naughty (as defined by the trigger.)

Here, we're just switching to different arbitrary criteria, IIRC, you have to be over 55, you have to be uninsured (until you're 65), but there's no trigger, there's no opt-out or opt-in. I'd say that yes, the criteria's obnoxious, but it's a net win over the watered down public option.

And instead of starting a new government program, we use an existing one - Medicare.

[Gregorian]

13. Cost control regulation? Opt in Medicare? Maybe something else we don't know about.

I'm still not sure how creating a bill works. But it appears that the opt-in Medicare is being added at a late enuogh stage in the bill that it's hard to remove. That was what Jane Harmon had to say, if I remember correctly.

[Neecy]

14. Dean has a diary up at KOS

And it's hardly unqualified support.

Both the current Senate proposal and the House bill will give us choices that Americans did not have before. The central problem will be that not enough Americans will have those choices. So while we may be able to take big steps in the right direction – the fight for healthcare reform does not end here. We must continue to pressure Congress to pass real reform.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/9/812526/-We-Can-Do-Both

[HughMoran]

15. Weiner up next on Rachel!!

Perhaps we can glean something from what he says - her lead-in said "he's fired up about this compromise"...

[RoyGBiv]

16. 'Cause they're intelligent ...

... have the ability to analyze beyond the ends of their own noses, are ethical, aren't trying to entertain you with hysterics, and most of all, don't spend their entire days bouncing around in an echo chamber of doom with a thousand other people who view anything less than perfection as the utter destruction of all that is good and holy.

That's why.

[madfloridian]

19. Dean has the top recommended post at DKos explaining his stance

based on what he knows so far.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/9/812526/-We-Can-Do-Both

[HughMoran]

42. He wants both Medicare expansion and a public option

I think this Medicare expansion is exciting to him because it's implemented almost immediately - it will be good for Dems AND older people tend to need insurance even more than healthier young people. Of course, I'm still wondering what the options are for us small-business people who are getting butt-raped now. I'm sure anybody under 55 is wondering what's in in for them (the Federal Employee plan..?)

[geek tragedy]

20. Because they're Obamabot sellout VichyDemDLCorporatists!

Especially that Sanders!

[Stinky The Clown]

25. I bet you think that post is clever

You proud of yourself?

[geek tragedy]

35. More clever than the Greatest page's littany of whining. nt

[Stinky The Clown]

24. Weiner's saying this is a step in the right direction

Which many people are saying ....... even the ones the die-hard love it or leave it crowd hate so much.

[HughMoran]

27. "Expand what works, eliminate what doesn't"

I know a lot of people here wanted Medicare for all - which is single-payer. This is an interesting development to say the least...

[Sebastian Doyle]

36. If they were TRULY eliminating what doesn't work

It would have been single payer in the first place. Because RomneyCare does NOT work. And that's what everyone under 55 will be stuck with. :evilfrown:

[eleny]

26. Weiner just told Rachel that this is a start

It's a bill that expands Medicare. The whole HCR effort was to expand medical care to more people and this bill does that. That's what he cares about and he'll leave the politics to others like Sen. Thune who can have a press conference if he wants and complain. But Weiner thinks this is a start.

That's what I got from the interview that just ended. Hopefully I got it right and that others will weigh in to add more or correct my recollection.

[Stinky The Clown]

33. That's what I heard, too

He didn't sound in love with it. He sounded okay with it.

[geek tragedy]

37. Anyone who thought they were going to fall in love with Congressional legislation

is either a hopeless romantic or a pervert.

[BeFree]

44. +2

Takes one to know one, eh? <grin>

For 50 years now, some good folks in congress have been working to get something going. By Gawd, they're doing it right now, finally.

At least now they pretty much have told the pubbies to go sit in the corner, and we'll call you when we're done.

[emulatorloo]

28. For one thing, they know the actual details of the plan. As opposed to others who might "comment"

on it without knowing the details.

Interested in hearing Weiner on the Rachel Show.

[leeroysphitz]

31. They know that it's over.