Posting Blues...

[Madspirit]

You guys know how when any New Big Topic comes up we all talk about it for a few days? You know how there are always people posting their own threads then, telling us how we're doing it all wrong as Really Caring Liberals and we should be talking about The War instead? ...and they tell us how we shouldn't be talking about silly-assed stuff like Imus and Cho and Anna Nicole and Alec Baldwin, etc.? ...and they tell us how they would like to smack us silly because we should be talking about The War? ...and they often add statistics on exactly how many people have died in The War since we've been talking about whatever issue? ...and it's always ironic because they are actually adding to the Not War talk themselves? ...and someone always posts to point out that irony thus adding to it too? ...like a Magritte perhaps? ...a picture in a picture in a picture in a picture?

OK people, listen up. My fields of interest are psychology, sociology, philosophy. If your field of interest is War, start your own thread on THAT. It's non-productive to post a post complaining that people aren't talking about what you want to talk about when you could be posting a post about what you do want to talk about. ...and I realize I am doing the same thing thus giving you more irony with a pinch of pathos thrown in and hopefully a little....I can't think of any other good words right now...

So here it is:

Issues of racism and sexism and homophobia...(Imus), child abuse, poverty, mental illness, etc....(Cho)...are as important as the war. Easily. Our own social conditions are the crux of all that's wrong...millions die from these social issues...(as many as die from any war)...and they are the root cause of a mentality that results in wars.

I cannot relate at all to someone who thinks our own social issues are irrelevant. I think these ARE core the issues. The way people treat other people is at the root of it all.

...and I do also talk about the damned war.

Whew.
Lee

[lligrd]

1. Why Not Ask For A Forum On Celebrity Verbal Abuse Then

Just sayin!

[Madspirit]

4. Cho's not a celebrity...just sayin'...n/t

[lligrd]

13. Cho Was Mentally Ill

He was in need of help, probably for a long time. And yes, I know it was an important story but it is all that has played and it has been sensationalized beyond what is needed to be known. It is a media frenzy and is in no way healthy.

[tomreedtoon]

16. Sadly, he is now.

He'll join the pantheon - not only the real people like Klebold and Harris and Sirhan Sirhan, but the fictional inspirations like Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees and all the fictional characters that gorehound Anne Rice wrote about. The Hall of Murderers has a lot of empty spaces, and it won't be long before there's a new exhibit.

[dweller]

2. speechless

in agreement.

it's your thread. Have at it.

ks&rs
dp

[flying_monkeys]

3. No argument here.

Perhaps because my interests are similar to your own....


Can't we (at DU-GD) support both angles - - the story-du-jour *and* decrying the war in Iraq?

[lligrd]

12. Story Du Jour?

I vote for them burning Tillman's uniform to hide the evidence of their lie.

[havocmom]

5. You get my vote for poster with the most common sense of the month

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[lligrd]

6. Dear Madspirit, I Am Sorry If I Contributed To Your Blues

and i am not trying to keep you from posting at all. I was just venting my frustration at how we seem to falling for the rights attempt at keeping the real issues out of focus. I assure you that I am as far left as they come and abhor all injustice, racial, sexual, economic, religious or for any other reason. But, did you see what happened with Imus? The right wing joined you in damning him for one reason only, they wanted him out. And now he, who spoke against this administration is being replaced with a Bushie. And Baldwin has been a rabid anti-administration celebrity that they want to get rid of. Yes, what he said was not very astute but I can't believe that most people here haven't said things to their kids that they later regret. I know I have. (And my kid has said thinks to me that I know he regrets too)

Who here would want everything they said in private made public? Meanwhile, the White House, a place that is public and paid for by the public, is harboring terrible secrets as they plot against average Americans and the world in general.

Sorry for my ranting today, but in the interest of my mental health, I appreciate the opportunity DU affords me to do so. And I am happy it gives you the same privilege.

[Madspirit]

7. We Cannot

We cannot NOT scrutinize our own. That is exactly what the RW does. They ignore their own misdeeds. They cover up their own misdeeds. Calling ourselves on our own ills shows we actually DO have integrity.
Lee

[Madspirit]

8. PS

It certainly wasn't just you. There are always just about as many threads complaining about the posts as there are posts...<g>
Lee

[lligrd]

10. I've Had Days Where My Posts Evoked The Posting Blues Too

and ignore me today. I am just in a particularly bad mood regarding this administration and recent events and am taking it out on those I am closest too (other progressives).

[lligrd]

11. I Don't Mind The Calling Attention To It

But it seems to me that the Right is getting away with equally or even more egregious behavior and nobody harps on it. I think the right is helping to keep alive the ones the want us to focus on. In fact, I know it.

[mudesi]

9. I brought this up once, too

I suggested the admins adopt a new DU rule: No posting threads about other threads.

Duplicates will always happen. Complaining about the duplicates, and then complaining about the threads that complain about the duplicates only exacerbates the problem.

Of course, this very thread would qualify, as my previous thread also qualified. Ironic, but unavoidable!

[IChing]

14. Yes, it is indicative of our culture however,

not all information on what is going on cannot be past through LBNs
and that information gets buried with multiple threads. Your point is well made.

GD has its place and so does GDP. There are forums for some of the stuff
that comes here on GD.

I see obsessive compulsive behavior on some threads.

[hang a left]

15. I really wish people would not make those type of off topic posts.

We can chew gum and walk.

I agree about the Imus, REAL current events, and celebrity of the hour posts. They just don't belong in GD. This is a politics discussion board not an Enquirer board. With the exception of Imus. Perhaps that was a qualified topic because of the nasty racist comment.

Anyhow. I hate it when people butt in to posts and insert some stupid comment about how you shouldn't be talking about this because Iraqis and service people are being slaughtered. Well I guess we shouldn't be eating, or listening to music, or breathing for that matter because there is a war, which none of us wanted, which none of us supported, and all of us despise. BUT ARE POWERLESS TO STOP.

They are just ignorant, at a loss for words, and need a life.

But never forget, it doesn't matter what subject you post on, someone will jump on and give you some kind of crap. Never fails.

Get tough, fight back, and never ever forget you have just as much right as anyone to participate in this community.

[LiberalHeart]

17. Seems to me "general discusssion" means "general discussion" --

For the purist, there's another forum called General Discussion Politics. But General Discussion is exactly where any topic, even pop culture topics, should be allowed. I like the mix we have here -- though I'm in agreement with you about those who seem to think we should be one-dimensional. It's a kind of snobbery DU can do without very nicely.

[hang a left]

19. Sorry LiberalHeart that is NOT the case...

This is a politics discussion board. The moderators have been very easy in the past several months with regards to celebrity and other non-issue posts. They used to ALWAYS and immediately be moved to the lounge. This is general discussion with respect to politics. There used to be only one general discussion forum.

Prior to the 2004 primaries and general election It became necessary to to create a second forum which was named GD-Election because of all the vitriol and quantity of posts that pertained to the primary and the election. After the election the GD-Election forum became the main area where the election fraud of 04 was discussed. After all the bleeding stopped, and everyone had grieved as much as the admin would let us; they kept GD-Election but renamed it GD-Politics. The discussion of Election Fraud has so much interest it received it's own forum.

The reason there are still two GD forums is for situations that would necessitate 2 forums. For instance, prior to, during, and following the LIbby indictments; the forum was used exclusively for that topic because of the intense interest. They will certainly become useful again when the primaries get down to the nitty gritty and all hell breaks loose. And of course for the 08's.

Even your LBN posts are supposed to be political of nature. That is the way it has always been. However, they have become more lenient as of late, especially since they have started taking on the google ads.

[Madspirit]

22. Social Issues ARE political...imo....

As I said, they are the root of everything...
Lee

[EFerrari]

18. I wish we could have a Community Building forum.

Because we could use the practice.

[GeorgeGist]

20. You're right of course...

it's more important to focus on causes than symptoms... if you mean to find a cure.

Imus, Cho, Baldwin, and your post are symptoms.

[Joe Fields]

21. I am always open to talk about anything that is relevant.

I, too share with you an interest in discussing a variety of topics. It is beyond me why some people get their nose so bent out of joint when we are not discussing the war. I discuss the war plenty. But, like you said, there are things that are important that aren't directly related to the war.