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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:08 AM
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Courage: It's Time to Stand Up
We cannot keep avoiding what's right in the name of what's politically expedient. If we continue making this enormous and dangerous mistake, the corporatists WILL win because the positive changes we're making are not big enough to stave off the danger we're in. We aren't passing policies that make the kind of big changes needed to fix the problems. We aren't helping ordinary people dramatically enough to rally the rock-solid public support that we so desperately need. We will either lose outright or "win" so weakly that it might as well be a loss if we continue in this wrong direction.

If our country were a disintegrating dam, then our party would be a man standing in front of it with his finger in the hole, listening to all the local residents anxiously gripe about costs and dangers, reluctant to take any action. We KNOW those gripes are short-sighted and illogical, but we need those people to vote for us. We're too scared of losing to do what needs to be done, regardless of how unpopular it might be, and tear down the dam in order to rebuild a newer, stronger one in its place. We'd rather wait until it violently bursts and destroys our citizens' lives AND our party all in one enormous wave. And who will be there to pick up the pieces? The corporate lackeys, of course. The ones who've been weakening the dam bit by bit for decades, the ones who LIVE to make Americans feel confused and unsure about what the "right thing" really is. In the end, we will have accomplished nothing and we'll be blamed for not taking action sooner. We cannot continue like this.

What our party and our nation needs right now is COURAGE. We need the courage to stand up and TELL our fellow citizens that a huge chunk of our system of law and government is broken. That it cannot be fixed with temporary patches, but must be stripped to the basics and rebuilt from the ground up. It will be unpopular. People will have to make short-term sacrifices. But if we can show them that progress--REAL progress, not wishy-washy vague progress--is being made, they WILL come around. They always have. Americans are good at sacrificing for their nation when they are called upon to do so. When was the last time that a President asked something significant of us? When was the last time that we banded together to share the burden of sacrifice, knowing that we were standing up for freedom and saving our nation? World War II? It's been a long time since we've asked nobility of our people. Some people believe that it doesn't exist anymore, that we're too comfortable and too complacent to be bothered. Those people are wrong. Our voters are better than that, and we need to start treating them like they are.

If we're wrong, if we fail, at least we'll have made the country a better place beforehand. At least we'll have made a difference in people's lives. We won't end up any worse off politically than we would have if we'd have kept on standing there with a finger in the cracking dam instead of taking action, but we WILL have made the nation healthier and more secure. It is far better to make a huge positive difference and LOSE than to make very little difference and "win."

But I don't think we're wrong. I think that if we dare to do what needs to be done, the people will rally behind us, just as they have before. FDR tore down a lot of government structure and rebuilt it, and many, many people who hated him at first wound up loving him--more so than any other President in history. He made drastic changes and his leadership was forceful and solid as a rock. He was willing to be hated if that's what it took to accomplish the greatest good. He had COURAGE.

We've lost that, but we can reclaim it if we are strong enough to insist upon courageous leadership, to tell our elected officials to forget the polls, forget the data, forget the focus groups and the analysis. Forget all that crap, and do what FDR did. Trust the people. As much as we might fear change, we need it, and deep down inside we KNOW that we need it. We WILL respond to it. We admire leaders who are willing to stick their necks out for what's right. And when WE respond...so does Congress. There's nothing like a groundswell of public approval and citizen fervor to change an oppositional Congress into an inspired one.

If I could say anything to President Obama and his administration, I'd say this: Take it straight to the people.

Go on national TV and tell it to them straight, no focus-group-tested prose, no well-polled talking points, no spin. Explain the mess that we're in. Don't mince words about it. Tell us we're going to turn this nation back into the rock-solid, working-man's country that it was before the corporatists took over, and tell us that the days of political games and lies are over. Tell us that our nation is going to collapse and fall apart if we don't make some pretty dramatic changes, and that you intend to do whatever it takes to save America.

Tell us that we can no longer rely on the media, that we have to get out there and see what's going on with our own eyes. Tell us that we've been lied to and manipulated and treated like idiots by the elite for far too long, that they've usurped our religious faith to con us into giving away our freedoms, that they're deliberately undermining and controlling our childrens' educations, that they'd rather see a handful of corporate robber barons profit from third-world labor than insist that they provide good jobs to the very consumers who support them.

Tell us we've been conned, tricked, and manipulated by people who feel nothing but contempt for us. Tell us that the rich and the powerful have deliberately made sure that average working people have little interest in government because involved and informed voters are an obstacle to government by the wealthy and for the wealthy. Tell Americans how the corporate lackeys from BOTH parties instructed the IRS to go after working people instead of wealthy people. Tell us that they use issues like abortion and gay marriage to distract us from all of these things, because they think we're too stupid to figure it out. Tell us that while we are distracted by the greedy and kept arguing about what kind of wallpaper our house should have, the foundation is being chipped out from under us by those who hate and fear democracy most--the robber barons and their bought-and-paid-for politicians.

Tell America the TRUTH, and to hell with the consequences. Tell us that you're willing to risk our anger and our fear if it means saving America from the malicious greed of the ruling elite. If you're brave enough to do THAT, then you will go down in history as the best damned President we've ever had. You will be remembered as the man who saved America.

THAT is what needs to be done to save this nation--by our President and by all of us. If you love America, truly LOVE America, then give America what she needs most from all of us right now--our strength, our dedication, our intellects, our patriotism, our trust in each other, and most of all, most IMPORTANTLY of all--our courage. We cannot continue like this. We cannot survive as a nation and as a people if we cannot overcome fear and do what's right. This moment is critical. It's time to stand up.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:12 AM
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1. This post is all about Radical progressivism
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:21 AM
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3. Then why is your comment so IRrational?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:45 AM
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9. I suspect you find my comment "IRrational" because you have a habit
of seeing the world as you want it to be, rather than as it really is.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:39 AM
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27. We all do that.
But your comment, along with the thread that may have inspired it, uses "rational" as a brand name to be trumpeted, not as a process to be followed.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:32 PM
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46. That's over-simplistic nonsense.
Edited on Mon Dec-07-09 10:32 PM by Hissyspit
The world is more complex than the Nate Silver theoretics. I didn't recognize myself in either column, which immediately made it suspect.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:25 AM
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5. How did I know once that was posted the DLC would give themselves a new name nt.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:45 AM
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10. Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:51 AM
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16. Brilliant Jake!

:)
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:54 AM
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17. +1,000,000
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:55 AM
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18. Lol... you called it earlier this morning!
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 07:47 AM
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53. +100,000,000. We're not falling for it, centrists.
No way. Not not, not neva...
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:30 AM
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7. Sorry, but the time for patches and quick-fixes is long past.
Once people understand that this system is irretrievably broken and has been for a long time now, they'll support solutions that go beyond propping up the status quo...that are, yes, radical.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:46 AM
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11. I don't agree with your assertion that revolutionary and radical actions are the only solution
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:50 AM
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14. I gathered that from your initial post; like Afghanistan, we'll simply have to agree to disagree.
Edited on Mon Dec-07-09 10:53 AM by StarfarerBill
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 12:46 PM
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57. And that may be coming faster than well-off people realize.
Unemployment rate keeps climbing, war has been put on the front burner, and the only people that are responding to people's fears are the assholes on FOX news. Obama has a real opportunity to at least be the next FDR here (which isn't great, but it would at least help a little), and look at the choices he's making.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:51 AM
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15. Honesty, courage, and stop compromising when there is no one to compromise with...

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:57 AM
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19. Those are the comments that typify the radical progressive
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:01 PM
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30. Did you make that yourself?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:10 PM
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31. Your question indicates you never even bothered to click the link I provided
or read what it had to say. How can I converse with someone that refuses to even listen to other opinions?
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:14 PM
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32. Correct-- I didn't research the odd graphic you posted.
Edited on Mon Dec-07-09 12:18 PM by Marr
I asked for clarification instead. Your defensive response is bizarre.

*edit* Now I see. It was part of a completely different thread you linked to.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:18 PM
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33. What you showed is a lack of willingness to even entertain another's opinion
not what I consider a good trait.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:28 PM
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:39 PM
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37. So let me see if I get this straight. Your one liners and insults and personal attacks
Edited on Mon Dec-07-09 12:42 PM by NJmaverick
are considered "sincere and well-thought-out". Yet opinions supported by facts and reason you considering "troll, derail and insult"

Your frankness might be considered hypocrisy or dis ingeniousness to any reasoned individual. Then the evidence is clearly showing that you don't read and you don't listen, rather you attack those who's opinions you don't like. You want frankness, I think DU could use less of the behavior you have exhibited on this thread. It is neither helpful or honest.


I think we are done here because I have little desire to engage in the flame wars you appear to desperately want.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:50 PM
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39. That's correct.
Have a nice day. :)
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 07:44 AM
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51. You're arguing in circles: "You're a radical because that's the type of thing radicals say"
You're badgering people, and not really saying anything. This is just a polite new form of ad hominem attack.
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:04 AM
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20. What would have happened in 1776 w/o radical progressivism? LOL!
:rofl:
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:17 AM
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22. How far have we fallen when asking our leaders to be courageous and honest
is dismissed as "radical?"

:(
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:22 AM
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23. It looks like you didn't even bother to read the link provided
sort of closed minded don't you think?
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:48 PM
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38. More:
6. Demonstrate consistency. A clear sign of intellectual dishonesty is when someone extensively relies on double standards. Typically, an excessively high standard is applied to the perceived opponent(s), while a very low standard is applied to the ideologues’ allies.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:34 PM
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36. that looks interesting and I would not have seen it in GDP
thanks.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:27 PM
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45. The problem with that is that that hypothesis is extremely flawed and biased.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 07:45 AM
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52. And written by someone trying to relocate the meaning of "progressive" at centrism.
It's a terrible question-begging argument and I'm going to fight it everywhere I see it on DU.
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:12 PM
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48. What. A. Crock! nt
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 07:42 AM
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50. You mean that terrible, circular argument where progressives are rational because they're
rational? And rationally because they're not really actually progressive?

You posted about intellectual dishonesty. That entire OP on "rational progressivism" intellectually dishonesty incarnate. Those who believe that social progress comes through calm, rational behavior can't possibly have skin the game. That doesn't mean one should go around hurling logical fallacies, but smugly sitting back and being "rational" in quite the luxury. In history (take, the German SPD, for example), the Bernsteins and Eberts and Nosks caused more damage than the enemy with their "rationalism". And, ironically, in the end they murdered and purged the "radicals."

I refuse to not call out this ridiculous new "rational" vs "radical" meme--its little more than a piece of centrist propaganda.

Reforming yourself by undermining people through calm rhetoric instead of invective is actually LESS intellectually honest (and honest in any respect) than being forthright and speaking clearly.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:14 AM
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2. Adapted from the Wizard of Oz
DEMOCRATIC PARTY:
Courage! What makes a King out of a slave?
Courage! What makes the flag on the mast to wave?
Courage! What makes the elephant charge his tusk, in the misty mist or the dusky dusk?
What makes the muskrat guard his musk?
Courage! What makes the sphinx the seventh wonder?
Courage! What makes the dawn come up like thunder?
Courage! What makes the Hottentot so hot? What puts the "ape" in apricot?
What have they got that I ain't got?

AMERICA:
Courage!

DEMOCRATIC PARTY:
You can say that again!
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:24 AM
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4. It is far better to make a huge positive difference and LOSE than to make very little difference and
and "win." This idea gets shoved out the door through an idea that seems fair-compromise. This idea is used with great success when, as a du poster smartly stated, they use good cop, bad cop mentality on us to keep us nonactive...
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:46 AM
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12. Ah, but is it better to TRY to make a huge positive difference...
...and fail, or to try to make a small positive difference and succeed?

Certainly there is such a thing as too much compromise. Certainly there are times when you have to fight on principle and hope for the best. There are also times for compromise, even bitter compromise.

The trouble is deciding what each circumstance and each issue calls for. It's easy to be an idealist on the sidelines and insist that all of the problems in the world are due to not enough people "standing up for what is right", to blame all the woes of the world on those terrible, terrible people who recommend compromise (who obviously must be in league for some nefarious purpose!). What's hard is case-by-case deciding when to compromise and how much, while still staying true to some important principles in the process.

I certainly think the current Democratic has compromised too much on too many issues, either that or sold out to major corporate interests. How to fix that, that I don't know how to do. I'm pretty sure, however, that some of the things that people do when angry and disillusioned, like voting for third party candidates who barely stand a ghost of a chance of winning, or not voting at all, don't help.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:28 AM
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6. K&R
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:38 AM
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8. Ah, yes
a nice little civil war is just what we need.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:16 AM
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21. So you think that asking our leaders to be courageous enough to tell the truth
is the same as civil war?

:shrug:
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:55 AM
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29. Not at all
in fact, both sides give their opinions of the truth on a daily basis and we just bicker with one another. But what you are advocating is "passing policies that make the kind of big changes needed to fix the problems" according to what YOU see as a problem and how YOU view as fixing it. Meanwhile, at least half the country see's different problems and different solutions to fixing them. Especially when people no longer agree on what freedom is.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 02:38 PM
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40. But the problem is that very few people know what's really going on.
How many people from "the other side" would feel a lot more agreement with our side if someone in power was brave enough to step forward and lay out the truth? People can't be expected to make reasonable decisions or formulate opinions without as much information as possible. Simply asking those in power to TELL people what's been going on is a very good first step. No President since FDR has had the courage to really do that, at least not about the overarching class war that the rich are waging on us all.

Is it expecting too much to ask for honesty, THEN see if minds change?
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:07 PM
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43. I'm not going to disagree
However this country is so divided and to even imagine the so called government we have is going to ever tell the truth is never going to happen. It is not in their best interest to tell the truth but it is in their best interest to hide the truth and allow these wrs . After all most of them work for the corporations. If this were not true then the corporations would have never been allowed to grow to big to fail.

If the people will not climb out of their holes and stand up to this government and the corporations and say we will not stand for this anymore and it takes both sides to do this then we will never gain an inch.

We let them burn the constitution and take away our rights that people died to keep in place so what does that say about the people?

I have no respect for our government at all.

It never had to get this way. But fear drives most people , fear and distraction.

I cannot see now how we can all reach a common ground until the entire thing falls down.
where religion and political sides and self interest die off and are replaced by the people who for the most part take the power back.

It is reachign a point where we all end up under control and fight or starve or stop this in it's tracks.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:12 AM
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54. Just Want To Add That I Agree With What You Are Saying... I've Been
talking about UNITY for quite some time and have found myself becoming more and more depressed as time goes by. I'm at a point (where I'm sure so many are) that we just don't WHAT to do, and simply run around throwing our hands up in the air.

I don't feel like we are getting through to those who supposedly represent us, and I'm getting so very tired of hearing "more speeches" that leave me wanting as to what they really mean. This HCR has had more twists and turns than watching taffy being made! I come here to get information (and I do) but I see much more infighting where so many are fighting or attacking others because of certain points of view.

This will not make us stronger and my gut says we MUST find a way to MAKE our so called "rulers" simply take us seriously. We ARE hurting and I know there are no quick fixes, but I wonder when will really say ENOUGH!! Start getting priorities in order and realize we are ALL in this together. It's not only sickening that Repukes keep saying NO to everything, but it's also RECKLESS behavior not befitting a 2 year old! I have a grandson who will soon be 1 year old and I think many times that this time next year he might even have more common sense them many in D.C.!

Okay, it's early and my coffee is cooling down and I have a schedule today that I know will be helpful to others (helping elderly people) but even that depresses me. It really drains my energy, but it also shows me just how helpless so many feel. The first lady up is a lady who "winters" down here in Florida and can't understand how her phone works since she switched over to Verizon! There are too many elderly people who have "no clue" about so many issues and it seems all I do is try to make them understand one issue or another.

The KICKER is that as soon as I leave... my information is most probably forgotten and I will have to go back and help them out again! These are "small" things, but many elderly live alone and stay confused all the time!

Sorry, got off topic, but it does connect to what America needs when there are so many elderly who are growing older and can't keep up with what's happening! Their families aren't there as a safety net and those of us who help become drained when we see just how MUCH help they need. I'm just one person and like to stay informed, but what I'm seeing is a crumbling of our country and feel helpless as I see chips falling away day by day!

It's just frustrating and heartbreaking! Guess there is something to that old saying "wearing your heart one your sleeve!" I'm just one of those "lefty liberals" who just can't seem to get my head around so many things that have gone wrong. I want to help, but I'm only one person that is fast getting spread too thin! That's not a complaint, it's just makes for anxiety and worry in my small world, so when I see what is happening on a larger scale it worries me more!

JMHO!


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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:13 AM
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55. BTW Lyric... Great Post! Thanks! n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 01:01 PM
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58. Wrong. People are not that stupid.
Edited on Tue Dec-08-09 01:02 PM by TBF
Working class folks know exactly what kind of war is being waged, no confusion on our side of the fence. Which side are you on? Please think about your answer.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:46 AM
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13. Agreed.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:25 AM
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24. K&R
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:36 AM
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25. You are correct, Lyric...
We make minute progress but in reality, we are losing ground every day. Eventually, there will be no ground to stand on. It does take courage. It takes courage to say what you have said. There are those that argue that it has only been a year and we need to give them just a little more time. But, when you are going in the wrong direction, it doesn't matter how much time you have.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:37 AM
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26. excellent post, rec'd....
:thumbsup:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:44 AM
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28. very good post,
yea, courage and to be united also.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:24 PM
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34. The Democratic Leadership, show COURAGE? ROFL!
Edited on Mon Dec-07-09 12:26 PM by tom_paine
:rofl: :puke:

The only courage these servants of Corporate NeoFeudalism (playing "Good Cop", though, which I suppose is always preferable to "Bad Cop", so we've got THAT going for us) show is the courage to ignore the powerless and downtroddeen, along with the rest of the Americccan Peasantry.

Nice idea, good luck with finding courage in a stultified, bloated Inverted Totalitarianism, which is the form of government under which we all live, quite powerlessly though the dog-and-pony-show continues to provide it's docilizing effects and increasingly nonsensical Right-Left hand-puppet shows.

You might as well ask the 1790s French aristocracy to show similar courage, since their spirit guides the Corporate Aristocracy, essentially our Ruling Class now, armed wth the latest tools in advertsiing, psychology and PR.

Courage. :rofl: :puke:

Nice post. Very idealistsic. Good luck with that whole thing and wake us when Mr. Obama shows some.

Gonna be a looooong nap, I guess. LOL.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:37 PM
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41. Sarcasm aside, unless we're willing to give up
and hand our property over to the wealthy without a fight, then we HAVE to stand up. Silence is death, perhaps in a very real sense. It's not just Obama--it's ALL of our leaders. There's a vein of fear that runs through the spines of every one of them, a fear that's born of forgetting that public service in politics is supposed to be a duty and not a career.

If we must go down, then I'd rather go down fighting. I don't want to end up with the world that T.S. Eliot predicted all those years ago.

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

....

This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang, but a whimper


http://zachd.com/writing/hollowmen.html
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:45 PM
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42. K&R. +10
Good post Lyric. Your post also brings this to my mind.








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nicky187 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:07 PM
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44. Frame-breaking behavior.
It's time to change.

The old strategies aren't working any more. To continue down the path we've taken is futile. It's time for a new approach, that will work.

President Obama is correct in that we should pursue programs and approaches that work, and discard those that are ineffective, as did President Roosevelt.

Status quo health care: ineffective.
Preventive medicine via single payer: effective.

Compromising with the GOP: ineffective.
Corporatism: ineffective for the middle and lower classes.
Too big to fail: ineffective.
Truly competitive markets: effective.
Small businesses and local markets: effective.
Democracy: effective.

See a pattern here?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:49 PM
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47. "No more easy ride. Time to stand or hide."
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 01:54 AM
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49. k&R.
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change_notfinetuning Donating Member (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 10:57 AM
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56.  All this talk about "what's right" and "TRUTH"? Maybe if you stand on your
head, things will look better.

I'm only trying to help.
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