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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 09:23 PM
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"As you know, you go with the president you have, not the president you might want or wish to have"
"I believe what I said yesterday. I don't know what I said, but I know what I think, and, well, I assume it's what I said."

"It is unknowable how long that conflict the war in Iraq will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." -in Feb. 2003

"Well, um, you know, something's neither good nor bad but thinking makes it so, I suppose, as Shakespeare said."

"I don't know what the facts are but somebody's certainly going to sit down with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make sure he knows what they know that he may not know."



"We do know of certain knowledge that he Osama Bin Laden is either in Afghanistan, or in some other country, or dead."

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." –on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

"Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war."

"As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

"Osama Bin Laden is either alive and well or alive and not too well or not alive."

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We -- you and I -- bear some responsiblity. That is the deal. That is the contract of the Constitution. That's why it is hypocrisy when our leaders don't do their sworn duties or we mere citizens pretend we are protected by rights and laws that we do nothing to defend.

And no, sending other people's family members into war is not the extent of our responsibility to defend our rights.

We've reached a point where everyone is SOOOOooooooo clever and savvy now that corporate government and "a silent coup de etat" are evident and banging on Obama is the thing to do. Cowards.

We. Bear. Some. Responsiblity.

I have the luxury of being able to criticize or defend President Obama at whim, because I had a clear-eyed, non-romantic view of him from the first glimpse at the 2004 Dem Convention speech. I saw a Player. I saw a Player giving a speech to an American public that had forgotten "We're All In This Together" -- ever since "Greed Is Good" became the mantra of the nation -- and drank his words thirstily, desperately, ecstatically, even though what he said was not remarkable. It just showed how bad things had gotten.

I saw the corporate media preselect for us voters the two main Democratic candidates. While others bickered over a White/Woman and a Black/Man, I saw two Players, both sending signals that corporate government, the Reaganomics "trajectory" (that Obama praised) and a Clinton Era of floating all boats while promoting globalization, would be the promise of their presidency, whichever one won.

Now Obama is fulfilling my prediction -- except of course he ain't floating all the boats. He has inherited the era that you were prepared for in junior high school: in that exercise where they ask you to imagine who you would put off a lifeboat ... We're there.

I don't know if this nation will ever again have a President who is able to do anything close to what s/he had in mind, when deciding to run for the office. Perhaps the government Of the Corporations, By the Corporations and For the Corporations has a mere figurehead -- a dashing, telegenic, articulate, precedent-shattering figurehead. A mere man, who despite who and what he had to do to get there, does not have all the responsbility, even if he wanted to.

Our nation and its processes were gutted during and by the two previous unelected administrations, their illegal wars and unpunished crimes against We, The People.

We have some responsibility.

We are in the Meyer cartoon -- somewhere in the pile or the sidelines, "just following orders," abdicating responsbility, watching like spectators rather than stakeholders, documenting and carping.

"I would not say that the future is necessarily less predictable than the past. I think the past was not predictable when it started."

Here's what you need folks. You needed 'em then, you need them now. You need to quit feeling so fucking clever when Daily Kos or some asshole writes a twee twitter, glibly gabbing about a coup de 'etat -- as if that's all there is to it.

WE are responsble, WE are the beneficiaries and keepers of the promise of this republic, such as it is. Don't let some clever cyber moron convince you that it's all OVER and you can go back to sleep, because what you never did anything to PREVENT, has actually OCCURRED.

Get off your ass. Put on your gear. Boost your straps. Bear witness. Carp. Believe you ARE THE CHANGE we can believe in.

Ain't nuthin' else left no more.




"Needless to say, the President is correct. Whatever it was he said."

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."

"If I said yes, that would then suggest that that might be the only place where it might be done which would not be accurate, necessarily accurate. It might also not be inaccurate, but I'm disinclined to mislead anyone."

"There's another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn't exist." -on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

"I'm not into this detail stuff. I'm more concepty."

"I don't do quagmires."

"If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly."
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 09:47 PM
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1. And this is a "known known:
Edited on Sun Dec-06-09 09:49 PM by Smarmie Doofus
>>>>I saw the corporate media preselect for us voters the two main Democratic candidates. While others bickered over a White/Woman and a Black/Man, I saw two Players, both sending signals that corporate government, the Reaganomics "trajectory" (that Obama praised) and a Clinton Era of floating all boats while promoting globalization, would be the promise of their presidency, whichever one won.>>>>

As opposed to an known *unknown*.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 09:49 PM
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2. Is it?
I daren't bring it up on DU during the campiagn ........ :yoiks:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 09:53 PM
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4. Same thing happened for the Republicans, really
Poor old McLame was preselected, and then they tagged him with her weirdness Palin as if HOPING more voters would go for Obama.

What a huge joke.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 09:55 PM
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6. Almost like they wanted to see him publicly Lose It!!
If her nattering doesn't push ya over the edge, nothin will. :spray:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 09:49 PM
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3. ??? So much wrong, so little time. If as you say the corp. media
selected the candidates, who selected the winner? They tried like hell to deny the winner imo.

Who would have made you happy? Answer: no one.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 09:53 PM
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5. At this point, bashing Obama seems like an easy out. A diversion. A way to avoid responsibility.
That's what I think I'm saying.

Who would have made me happy? The last vestige of the possibility of a populist candidate, before the last screw was turned in the corporate government coffin, whether that WAS Obama, or Edwards, or Kucinich, or Biden, or a pipe dream. One last gasp for American populism.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 10:23 PM
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11. I think you are recognizing what Inertia is and what that means to us IF we want Change.
I think we are in a position in which we must push for what we can realistically get, given the inertia we are working against, while at the same time, and probably at a higher level of priority, looking for more opportunities to use what's going on to do what we MUST do for Ourselves and NOT for Them, opportunities to create local real-value systems.

Premature change won't be Change. If enough people aren't ready to create the critical mass necessary to sustainability, we could end up enslaving more people to struggles that have nothing directly to do with their own well-being, or worse yet, wasting more precious time ultimately just repeating some other iteration of the cycles governed by TPB.

This is going to require full awareness and diligent and constant action.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 10:35 PM
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13. The reason I say IF we want change is that I think there are those about who
Edited on Sun Dec-06-09 10:36 PM by patrice
want power more than they want real change, so the matter as to whether a given action is pre-mature or not is secondary to whether it acquires power, any kind of power, for them or not. Some of these people are aware that power is their higher priority over Change but many are not aware of this about themselves.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 10:49 PM
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14. and among those
in those roles, where are they who value the power of the system, to which they pledge allegiance?
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 10:05 PM
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7. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......


I gotta get me a pair of those "bullshit protectors" :rofl:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 10:07 PM
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8. Don't cha love him?!
:spray: There actually was a template online to make them, at one point.............
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 10:10 PM
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9. If it's still around I'd like to have it.......
then next time my libertarian conspiracy nut brother comes in a starts spouting his bullshit I can just put those on. :rofl:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 10:18 PM
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10. try these on for size
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 10:53 PM
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15. Lol that's perfect thank you. n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 10:27 PM
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12. I need them for the next time my retired lifer military brother tells us about the virtues of
"Free Market" Capitalism.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 11:01 PM
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16. WAH............
:cry:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:02 PM
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17. I'm kickin this for the weenies who want to wait until too late
with their fantasies of someday, that ruin everything for everyone. Why "blood in the streets" is anyone's goal is beyond me. :freak:
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