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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:01 AM
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I'm no fan of Jeffrey Sachs but he
sure destroyed Joe Scum re the swift boating of Science and climate scientists in particular.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:22 AM
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1. What was Scum arguing? Is he anti-evolution? nt
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 10:03 AM
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2. Don't know what he said, but here's an article from him a couple of days ago on climate change:
We can only marvel at the disarray. Here we are, 17 years after the signing of the UN framework convention on climate change, two years after the decision in Bali to agree a new climate policy, one year after Barack Obama's election, and days out from the Copenhagen conference. Yet a real global strategy to avoid catastrophe remains elusive.

Yes, there is some progress. The Obama administration has now offered a 2020 and 2050 target on emissions reduction. China and India have stepped forward with commitments to slow the rise of emissions, and Mexico has tabled creative proposals for climate financing. New technologies offer the possibility of low-cost abatement of greenhouse gas emissions. Through the fog of policy speeches, international meetings and domestic debates, one can begin to see a path to a low-carbon economy.

The mayhem, however, is at least as great. Greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere continue to mount, and will do so for years or decades to come. The Wall Street Journal, America's biggest circulation paper, rails each day against climate science. Backroom deals in the US Congress with industrial lobbies threaten to eviscerate already watered-down proposals for limiting carbon emissions. A vote on the US legislation has been postponed till next spring at the earliest, and a similar bill has just been defeated in Australia.

The truth is that even if we reach a political agreement, we're not yet on track to achieve practical, significant and sustained progress. Whether it's the US debate that ricochets among activists, deniers and lobbyists, or the global debate – which veers between empty agreements and bitter finger-pointing – we've somehow turned a life-and-death challenge into a scrum. After Copenhagen, which probably will be concluded with a patch-up accord, it will be vital to change paths from the one we've been on essentially since before Kyoto in 1997.

We've debated for years about who should control emissions, by how much, when, and according to binding or non-binding commitments. Yet we can't settle these issues without also getting into the details about the deployment of low-carbon technologies, social behaviours and the quantitative realities of energy systems, transport technologies, food production, water scarcity, and population trends. We will continue to go around in circles until we are much more systematic in bringing scientific and engineering realities to the table. Our negotiations need much greater grounding in our true options and their costs.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/dec/02/copenhagen-climate-change-science
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 10:42 AM
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3. Saw it. It was great.
Just loved how Joey Scar was sputtering trying to rebute Sacks.
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