Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

What Gonzales Really Told Us

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:05 PM
Original message
What Gonzales Really Told Us
Nothing in here about Alec Baldwin, so stop now if that's what you seek. ;)

Link to original: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042007A.shtml

What Gonzales Really Told Us
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Columnist

Friday 20 April 2007

The testimony given Thursday by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales before the Senate Judiciary Committee during a hearing to investigate the firing of eight Unites States attorneys, deserves a place of high honor in the Gibberish Hall of Fame. It was astonishing in its vapidity, almost to a point beyond description. The emptiness of Gonzales's answers, after several hours, became the political version of a Zen koan. They simply stopped my mind.

It was, in the main, an unspeakably gruesome performance. The aspect most commentators immediately seized on was the amazing number of questions Mr. Gonzales answered with either "I don't recall," or some permutation thereof. Estimates put the final count somewhere between 74 and 100 "dunno" replies, an amount truly Reaganesqe in stature.

There was no bristling give-and-take during this hearing, no fiery debate, no "Have you no sense of decency" moment when the rogue official is brought snarling to bay. Indeed, the only time tempers flared was when exasperated senators became fed up with Gonzales's inability to answer virtually any of the questions put to him. The annoyed senators, Republican and Democratic alike, at several points rained condescendingly rhetorical questions upon him in extremis, expecting no answers because they knew none were ever going to come.

Judiciary Committee member Tom Coburn, a conservative Republican senator from Oklahoma, dropped one of the more devastating bricks of the day after slogging through Gonzales's feeble display. "It was handled incompetently," said Coburn of the firings that inspired this hearing, if not of the testimony he'd just endured. "The communication was atrocious, it was inconsistent. It's generous to say that there were misstatements; that's a generous statement. And I believe you ought to suffer the consequences that these others have suffered. And I believe the best way to put this behind us is your resignation."

The sentiment was repeated in the waning moments of the hearing by Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, who said: "Mr. Attorney General, at the beginning of the hearing, we laid out the burden of proof for you to meet, to answer questions directly and fully, to show that you were truly in charge of the Justice Department, and most of all, to convincingly explain who, when and why the eight US attorneys were fired. You've answered 'I don't know' or 'I can't recall' to close to a hundred questions."

"You're not familiar with much of the workings of your own department," continued Schumer. "And we still don't have convincing explanations of the who, when and why in regard to the firing of the majority of the eight US attorneys. Thus, you haven't met any of these three tests. I don't see any point in another round of questions. And I urge you to re-examine your performance and, for the good of the department and the good of the country, step down."

Dana Bash of CNN reported comments made by appalled Republicans during breaks in the hearing. "Loyal Republican after loyal Republican in this hearing room," said Bash, "and more specifically in private to CNN today, have made it clear that they are frankly flabbergasted by how poorly they think the attorney general has done in this hearing. During the lunch break, in private, several very loyal Republicans made it clear to CNN that they were really dripping with disappointment."

Another CNN reporter, Suzanne Malveaux, offered other Republican statements of dismay. "Two senior White House aides here," reported Malveaux, "described the situation, Gonzales's testimony, as 'going down in flames.' That he was 'not doing himself any favors.' One prominent Republican described watching his testimony as 'clubbing a baby seal.'"

Ouch.

So what is to be made of this? As attorney general, Gonzales is the top official in the Department of Justice. The list of DOJ-related agencies that Gonzales is expected to oversee is nearly 60 items long. Among these are the FBI, the ATF, the DEA, the Civil Rights division, the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the US Marshals Service, the Office of the Solicitor General and, of course, all the US attorneys spread across the 50 states. The DOJ's own web site explains that, "Since the 1870 Act that established the Department of Justice as an executive department of the government of the United States, the attorney general has guided the world's largest law office and the central agency for enforcement of federal laws."

Is it possible that the man charged with such awesome responsibilities is, in fact, a blithering idiot? Nothing in Thursday's hearing served to disabuse anyone of this notion, and in the final analysis that may be the whole point of the exercise ... and the tip of a very dangerous iceberg.

Allegations have been raised that the Bush administration sought to use the US attorneys' offices within key battleground states, along with political appointees within the DOJ's Civil Rights division, as a hammer to break apart voting protections for minorities. "For six years," reported Greg Gordon in the Baltimore Sun, "the Bush administration, aided by Justice Department political appointees, has pursued an aggressive legal effort to restrict voter turnout in key battleground states in ways that favor Republican political candidates, according to former department lawyers and a review of written records. The administration intensified its efforts last year as President Bush's popularity and Republican support eroded heading into a midterm battle for control of Congress, which the Democrats won."

"Questions about the administration's campaign against alleged voter fraud," continued Gordon, "have helped fuel the political tempest over the firings last year of eight US attorneys, several of whom were ousted in part because they failed to bring voter fraud cases important to Republican politicians.... On virtually every significant decision affecting election balloting since 2001, the division's Voting Rights Section has come down on the side of Republicans, notably in Florida, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, Washington, and other states where recent elections have been decided by narrow margins."

Beyond that is the specific case of California US Attorney Carol Lam, who prosecuted and convicted Representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham in a massive Congressional bribery scandal. Lam was later fired from her position, supposedly because she was failing to effectively prosecute immigration cases, or something to that effect. (Mr. Gonzales could not actually recall exactly why Lam was sacked, to nobody's great surprise.)

However, allegations have been raised that she was actually removed because her investigations into Cunningham were leading her closer to the centers of Republican power. Back in March, none other than Republican Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania raised the issue on the Senate floor. Specter openly questioned whether Lam had been removed because she was "about to investigate other people who were politically powerful."

On the surface, yesterday's hearing and the galaxy of un-recollections offered by Gonzales may seem to have been a waste of time. In fact, this was a revelatory moment of grave import. Decisions to disrupt elections and voting rights, decisions to derail investigations into Republicans, are made for political reasons by political people. In this administration, the political people all work in the White House.

There can be little doubt, after yesterday, that Alberto Gonzales was elevated to his position by Bush to affect a political takeover of the Justice Department. The muscular legal arm of federal power became just another tool to establish Karl Rove's dream of a permanent Republican majority in government by disrupting the vote and by obscuring GOP corruption. Thus, it doesn't matter if the attorney general is a pudding, because there were other chefs in the kitchen at Justice.

It can be easily argued that Gonzales couldn't answer simple questions, not because he is especially dumb, but because he truly didn't know how. He wasn't there to run the place, but to open doors for, and get out of the way of, Bush's political hatchetmen. Any appointees who weren't going along with the program, including those fired US attorneys, were swept aside.

It can just as easily be argued that he was able to answer those questions, but avoided doing so for tactical reasons. The New York Times's editorial on Friday raised this line of thinking by stating: "At the end of the day, we were left wondering why the nation's chief law-enforcement officer would paint himself as a bumbling fool. Perhaps it's because the alternative is that he is not telling the truth. There is strong evidence that this purge was directed from the White House, and that Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's top political adviser, and Harriet Miers, the former White House counsel, were deeply involved."

Either way, subpoenas need to be delivered to the hatchetman-in-chief, Karl Rove, as well as to members of his crew, to gather their sworn public testimony on the matter. It was made clear Thursday that Gonzales wasn't in charge at Justice, and Rove appears likely to have been the man who stood in his stead. Why? That's why we ask questions.

For the record, decisions to disrupt elections and voting rights, and decisions to derail investigations into Republicans, are flatly illegal. The first is fraud, the second is obstruction of justice, and both are felony crimes. The exposure of Gonzales on Thursday represents a long step towards pinning legal accountability to the door of a certain Pennsylvania Avenue house, and to the lapels of those persons within who are, at last, running out of excuses.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:09 PM
Response to Original message
1. and consider that Sens. do not do a 2nd round of questioning--they recognized the absolute futility
of that!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #1
13. they had better things to do than watch the baby seal.
I suspect that day two would have been 4 times as bad.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:13 PM
Response to Original message
2. I certainly hope that your last paragraph holds true and we can begin to rid this country
of the appalling ideological nuts running it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
3. Very good (even though I was looking for Alec)
Illegal acts connected to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. A great revelation on display indeed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Me too but how could it be completely Alec-less?
Amazing
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Misplaced priorities, obviously.
No other explanation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. Would someone please explain the Alec references?
What has he to do with anything? *scratching head*
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. Note all the Alec Baldwin threads.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:18 PM
Response to Original message
6. I found the entire proceeding beyond painful to observe.
I could only take it in small doses.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:21 PM
Response to Original message
8. Alec Gonzales
So Gonzales called Senator Leahy a "Rude and Thoughtless Senator PIG"??? :rofl:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
firefox_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #8
19. Nice haircut.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #19
57. I wonder
how much it cost.

:evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:22 PM
Response to Original message
9. Brilliant !

Rec!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:26 PM
Response to Original message
10. He reminded me of the Mafia don who went around in a bathrobe
Pretending to be insane.

Alberto Gonzales is a willing criminal. He didn't tell the truth because he would go to jail for it. But he couldn't take the Fifth and keep his job. He intends to keep his job. He will do anything not to resign in disgrace. The first Latino Attorney General. He wants that line in the history books.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 06:41 PM
Original message
Absolutely.
He was under oath, and knew he would be, so he chose the least self-destructive path he could take.

And he probably has a certain amount of fear concerning the powerful people whom he serves - and by that, I am not including the American public.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 06:41 PM
Original message
Dup - sorry
Edited on Fri Apr-20-07 06:42 PM by colorado_ufo
He was under oath, and knew he would be, so he chose the least self-destructive path he could take.

And he probably has a certain amount of fear concerning the powerful people whom he serves - and by that, I am not including the American public.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #10
35. Dup - sorry
Edited on Fri Apr-20-07 06:42 PM by colorado_ufo
He was under oath, and knew he would be, so he chose the least self-destructive path he could take.

And he probably has a certain amount of fear concerning the powerful people whom he serves - and by that, I am not including the American public.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #10
64. Bingo. Playing Shrub's idiot card. No genius - either of them, but in our "Gumped"
society, we don't hate the fools. We are happy condescending to them and live them alone. Except then, when diverting our Constitution, they've been both surprisingly capable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:28 PM
Response to Original message
11. I watched the hearing and when Gonzales was asked if Bush directly told him
to fire a judge Gonzales said "I don't recall him ever telling me that." This is a yes or no question. If he can't answer definitively then he is obviously lying and that should have been challenged by the questioner. His lies were so blatant that I can't imagine anyone believes him at all. The real goal now is to force the truth out of them. I do believe this was all about the election and voter suppression.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #11
40. exactly...
none of the senators told him "it's a yes or no question--don't 'Senator' me--just answer yes or no"... how many lawyers call for objection--"instruct the witness to answer the question" or "objection--non-responsive"? Either he's incompetant or he's negligent in his duties--neither of which should be grounds for him keeping his job. But bush doesn't care who doesn't like it that his cabinet is a crooked as their carcasses.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #11
59. But how will we get Gonzo to talk?
The real goal now is to force the truth out of them.

I wonder if the DOJ has any techniques we could use to get reluctant subjects to respond to interrogation? Of course, we would never do anything to Gonzo that wasn't declared legal by the Attorney General of the United States.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:38 PM
Response to Original message
12. "Either way subpoenas need to be delivered "
indeed, and the sooner the better. Kicked and Recommended.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:44 PM
Response to Original message
15. He told us to fuck off.
I was waiting for one little senator to ask, "Why don't you just tell us what questions you've been studying up on, over the last month, and I'll ask you one of those. Just to get the ball rolling."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #15
46. Best.Question.Ever!
Why, oh, why are you not one of those Senators? You certainly have enough brain and more than enough braun, more than most who carry that title.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:53 PM
Response to Original message
16. K and R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lizbitch Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:55 PM
Response to Original message
17. Criminals
questioning the criminals - Amazing! Hollywood at it's finest! Wake up and smell the rat bastards in Washington people -
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 04:46 AM
Response to Reply #17
52. Liz Cheney? Is that you?
:silly:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #17
60. You're trying so hard, aren't you?
Welcome to DU yadda yadda yadda...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:57 PM
Response to Original message
18. Let's keep the pressure on.
Fellow DUers: please call Senators and Congressmen, especially members of the Judiciary Committees, and ask that they follow through and get sworn testimony from Rove and other White House staff people.

". . .decisions to disrupt elections and voting rights, and decisions to derail investigations into Republicans, are flatly illegal. The first is fraud, the second is obstruction of justice, and both are felony crimes."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:16 PM
Response to Original message
20. I vote for "bumbling fool"
If he isn't really as foolish as he looks, he'd have figured out by now what a nothing the president he serves is, and would jump ship and try to salvage an independent career--he's not that old. But no, he plods along because he needs his buddy in the WH to tell him what to say and do next. He's George's (and Karl's) stooge.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:34 PM
Response to Original message
21. The largest heist in the history of mankind.
You said it. Gonzales opened the doors for the hatchetmen.

But Rove's dream failed. And it has backfired into a nightmare. The nightmare we all knew would eventually come.

There is no way they can cover this many trails.

I'm very unhappy about the ability to pardon. Maybe some day I'll understand it's value. But this is a situation aggravated by prior pardons, and one where criminals will walk free due to pardons.

It was a racket. And hopefully we will bring them to justice.

Now excuse me, I have to go bleach my soul.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:48 PM
Response to Original message
22. "I don't recall"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:58 PM
Response to Original message
23. Will "a certain Pennsylvania Avenue house" ever be held accountable?
What's your take Will?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 03:08 PM
Response to Original message
24. I think Carol Lam was the target for firing & that the other USA's were included as a smokescreen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. Gonzo is not a moron.
He could not answer most of the questions because they would lead to his Criminal Indictment and directly to Rove, Busholini and others who were behind the DOJ Purge.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Exactly!
I was just going to write this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #28
44. i concur. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. Gonzo was bush' private attorney for years. I doubt he's incompetent, or
bush would have gone down long ago.

The Repos always use the incompetent argument to cover up their criminal acts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #26
41. I think you have this one on the head. All the rest of them
were the cream on top -- Lam was the main target.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #24
31. They weren't a smokescreen.
They were included because they refused to prosecute nonexistent "voter fraud."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 03:18 PM
Response to Original message
25. He's a simple stooge, and the entire testimony was a continual hum of convoluted verbiage.
It was disgraceful, and I wanted for just one Senator to finally lose it and ask Gonzo to quit insulting the group's intelligence. They were far too polite.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 03:34 PM
Response to Original message
27. I Defy Any DU'er To Answer This Question In the Affirmative
Has ANYONE in the Bush administration EVER held themselves accountable for any acts or omissions of the White House since 2001 and accepted the consequences thereof?

I, for one, am PISSED that a simple "I don't know" is sufficient to circumvent punishment amongst those entrusted with running our government.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #27
34. A little direct current might refresh his memory
Edited on Fri Apr-20-07 06:30 PM by Cobalt-60
I'm normally against torture- but gonzo considers that attitude quaint.
A dose of his own medicine would be just the thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 02:56 AM
Response to Reply #34
47. That would be torture!
Let's use waterboarding instead! :evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #47
49. you're right of course
I get too ruthless sometimes.
Put my 5 bucks on Gonzo to endure just 45 seconds before cracking!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #49
51. I don't think he's that strong, actually
He's pretty doughy. I give him 30 seconds. I think we should get a pool going (pun intended).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #27
39. my favorite question:
has any member of the Bush administration ever told the truth about ANYthing?

:shrug:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #39
48. My rule of thumb, and it has served me well,
is that if their mouths are moving, they are lying.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlueMole Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #27
62. Short Answer...NO
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:40 PM
Response to Original message
29. .
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:43 PM
Response to Original message
30.  All I know is this .
The first time I saw him I got the impression he was just a liar , now I have the same impression but have to add stupid and incapable of the position he has , So he is just a front and an enabler .
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:53 PM
Response to Original message
33. I thought it was obvious after Sampson testified
Carol Lam was given a letter of praise from the Border Patrol.

Inglesias actually did seminars on voter fraud.

The reasons they give for the firings are complete bullshit.

And then we have Gonzo who has a month to prepare for this hearing and doesnt know any details of anything even thou ANY half-assed run company would have documentation on all the questions that he was asked. I am in the camp that he is lying his ass off.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 06:53 PM
Response to Original message
36. Turdblossom is nearly as inept as Gonzo
If you believe that he lost millions of e-mails...and I don't.
 

I wonder if the Senate can play Dick (Cheney) against Dork
(Rove)or vice versa?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 07:45 PM
Response to Original message
37. K&R
:toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 07:52 PM
Response to Original message
38. I liked what Senator Durbin had to say:
"That's like saying if I criticize the War in Iraq, I'm criticizing the soldiers."
I could tell Gonzalez had a rehearsed answer to a question/statement that was never asked, and Senator Durbin came back with the right response at the right time.

Good analysis of the importance of this testimony.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:29 PM
Response to Original message
42. Excellent article K & R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 11:51 PM
Response to Original message
43. Yeah, you found the right adjective, Pitt: "gruesome".
As far as the rest, only other answer I can come up with is that it's harder to convict someone of bumbling foolery than it is to convict them of outright perjury.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 12:39 AM
Response to Original message
45. Gonzo is really Doug Rich
Inside joke, only those who watch 'The Riches' on FX will understand that one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 03:09 AM
Response to Original message
50. K & R !!!
Perfect.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 05:20 AM
Response to Original message
53. *SCREWNED*
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 06:11 AM
Response to Original message
54. morning kick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 08:16 AM
Response to Original message
55. Here it is fellow DUers, the summation and the bridge to the next
...round of steps for taking back the country:

For the record, decisions to disrupt elections and voting rights, and decisions to derail investigations into Republicans, are flatly illegal. The first is fraud, the second is obstruction of justice, and both are felony crimes. The exposure of Gonzales on Thursday represents a long step towards pinning legal accountability to the door of a certain Pennsylvania Avenue house, and to the lapels of those persons within who are, at last, running out of excuses.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 08:38 AM
Response to Original message
56. It's a good thing Bush invaded Iraq.
If he didn't have the Iraq albatross around his neck, he would still be getting away with the same crap he's gotten away with for 6 years! Despite a huge record of failure and corruption, it took a delayed response to the foolish and illegal invasion of Iraq to finally, finally begin the process of bringing down this horrible, criminal administration.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 08:40 AM
Response to Original message
58. Does that mean
that there are actually decent Republicans in Congress?

Or are they just jumping from a sinking ship?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 09:14 AM
Response to Original message
61. From now on, witnesses get a day in jail for every "I can't recall that."
There's a reasonable deterrent. May still be better option to perjury, which carries ten years in the federal slammer. :evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 09:39 AM
Response to Original message
63. This is probably a stupid question,but are we EVER going to know the truth?
I don't know how much more shit I can wade through.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 12:00 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC