This is all YOUR fault

[Stinky The Clown]

He's been perfectly clear and honest and pure as the driven snow. He said he would increase troop levels and "do it right" in Afghanistan. If YOU didn't hear that, then YOU weren't paying attention.

And if YOU were paying attention, and YOU knew he said that and YOU voted for him, then, BY GAWD!, this is YOUR fault. YOU're the one being dishonest. YOU have no right to speak against his plans. He told YOU he was going to do it and YOU voted for him.




Have I got that about that right? I wanna be sure I use only the newest and bestest and coolkiddest riffs when I post here on DU or discuss this in the real world. If I have somehow missed a sub riff or two, please elucidate me.

[varelse]

1. Damn

I knew I should have voted for Cynthia McKinney. :silly:

[TornadoTN]

2. Some of us hoped that the Presidency would shed some light on his plans

Perhaps make him reconsider, once he saw the dire state our nation is in (both internally and externally).

Yep, I bought it - hook, line, and sinker. Lesson learned.

[MercutioATC]

3. He absolutely DID campaign on a focus in Afghanistan...

...but there are a LOT of people (including me) who don't believe his means of "focus" are what is best for us...so, the "Obama said he'd do this" crowd does have a point, but based on the present climate they DO come across as idiot cheerleaders.

[Deep13]

4. He said he'd do it. Still doesn't make it right. nt

[Soylent Brice]

19. ^^^^^^^

[Turbineguy]

5. Candidate Bush said he would attack Iraq

and he did.

[JohnnyLib2]

6. Hope sold, hope bought.

I sure hope this is the right plan at the right time. And yes, sarcasm is here.

[bigtree]

7. are we actually generating these talking points here?

DU'riffic

[Bluerthanblue]

8. what's the big obsession with "fault"??? We all own our piece

of responsibility for the way this world is- Does blaming everything on others change anything?

As for having a 'right to speak against his plans'- everyone has that right- and being told that you shouldn't have expected anything any different from Pres. Obama based on his pre-election statements on Afghanistan and Pakistan doesn't mean everything is "all your fault".
Unless you are 5yrs old and believe that what other people say about you is always true.

:shrug:

[Stinky The Clown]

11. Mommy kept you home for that cold when they were teaching the words .....

..... "sarcasm" ...... "hyperbole" ..... and the classic "puffery"?

[Bluerthanblue]

14. no- actually,

it's just that saying things you don't mean or exaggerating truths and expecting others to know when you are doing that and when you aren't doesn't make your words very reliable, or credible.

Sorry- imo- sarcasm is all too often what people really want to say, but they don't have the guts to. It's a pretty poor way of communicating.

:hi:

[Captain Hilts]

9. People projected so much onto candidate Obama. nt

[Stinky The Clown]

12. And in turn, candidate Obama encouraged that

I would love for someone to do a scholarly analysis of his campaign speeches. (And while this is NOT meant as criticism, I am certain that known few will construe anything I say as an "attack" on him) It seems to me he was able to construct speeches and turn phrases that sold an idea or a concept, but never any specifics. He sold "hope" and we all imbued in him our own personal hopes. He talked like a liberal and we all ascribed to him liberal stances on things. Many were blinded by the bright light.

As a study in how to get elected, that would be fascinating.

The risk of being elected by such tactics is what we have today - an ever increasingly fracturing populace and a steadily shrinking cadre of faithful support.

[Captain Hilts]

15. Yes. I've studied - academically and professionally - political speech, and it fascinated me. nt

[patrice]

24. People are fucking ignorant about how we got here, especially all of the newbies who

just recently discovered politics and it's bastard step-child "social issues".

[Robb]

10. Well, yes.

But not quite the way you say.

It's our fault because last week none of us gave a fuck about the war in Afghanistan. Check GD if you don't believe me.

We can be pissed off if we want, but it's not like we were in the streets since Dec. 2001.

[leeroysphitz]

13. Klebold and Harris were also very upfront about what they intended to do.

People couldn't believe that they would actually go through with it either.

That didn't make it any less horrific when they actually did it.

[AndyA]

16. At the same time, you must FORGET about other Obama promises.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Remind, Don't Do

Transparency? Forget about it!

It's all our fault, because we expect the people we vote for to keep their promises! We expect them to be CLEAR when they make promises. When we were promised CHANGE we weren't specifically told it would be for the better, or when it would happen. Shame on us for expecting to get what we were promised. :eyes:

[smoogatz]

17. If the people who voted for/supported Bush own his laundry list of fuckups

then we own the war in Afghanistan. Can't have it both ways.

On edit: Considering the viable alternatives (Hillary, McCain) we still probably picked the right guy.

[Wednesdays]

18. True, that. If only we all had voted for McCain...

:think:

[smoogatz]

20. Bingo.

Bomb bomb bomb,
Bomb bomb Iran...

[Stinky The Clown]

25. AhROOOOOT AhROOOOOOT AhROOOOOOT

Strawman Alert! Strawman Alert!

AhROOOOOT AhROOOOOOT AhROOOOOOT

[smoogatz]

26. Not technically a strawman.

A lot of people think that any rhetorical diversionary tactic is a strawman, but a strawman is a specific thing. It's basically misstating your opponent's position in order to make it easier to attack. What we're dealing with here is a classic red herring: McCain's position on war isn't really at issue here, because he's not president, so what he would or wouldn't have done has no bearing on an argument about what Obama's doing. If Wednesdays had instead said something like "Stinky and other opponents of the war in Afghanistan want Muslim terrorists to kidnap young girls from their schools," THAT would have been a strawman.

[Stinky The Clown]

27. Actually, an inference one could draw from the post at hand ......

..... is that those who don't support Obama would have voted for McPalin.

We both know, for at least those who are antiwar, that simply isn't true.

[patrice]

21. There's a variety of ways that any given thing can be done . . . Unless you are a slave.

Some of us were hoping something better could be done about our "financial problems." The Chinese and American "doctors" have conferred and we are finding out that the controlling partner in our "partnership", China, has decided that the U.S. has a whole lot fewer options than we were hoping for.

[paranoid floyd]

22. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[patrice]

23. Blame The Fed and Wall Street. Is it Obama's fault we gave China Most Favored Trade Status?