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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:03 AM
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Another Wal-Mart "Shoplifting" Nightmare (READ this story-awful)
On December 3rd, a 15 year old black girl will enter a Juvenile Courtroom in Davenport, Iowa to face charges of shoplifting $39 worth of merchandise from the Wal-Mart superstore on West Kimberly Road. Hundreds of similar incidents take place everyday in the Wal-Mart Empire, and most escape notice by the media.

Destiny Crawford, the 15 year old defendant, denies she stole anything from Wal-Mart. But the ordeal she went through after the alleged incident doesn't fit the crime.

According to the family, on August 2, 2009, James Crawford Jr. was shopping for groceries at Wal-Mart. James' teenage sister, Destiny, was in his care while his parents made a short trip to Chicago. Destiny was accompanied by a schoolmate on the shopping trip. While James shopped for necessities, the two teenagers wandered through the aisles, trying on shoes, and looking at trinkets. In the bakery section, the girls met up again with James, who gave them his wallet and a bag of dog food, instructing Destiny to pay for the item with cash at the self-check out and to meet him outside at the car. James waited in a longer line to pay for the groceries with his EBT card.

As the two girls left Wal-Mart, two men--who neither produced identification nor asked the two teenagers for their I.D.--stopped the girls, and accused them of shoplifting. The men physically forced the teenagers back into the store. James saw the men walking his sister and her friend to the other end of the store. He made his way over to the girls and asked the men what was taking place. He was told the teens were being taken to an interrogation room. James stated that he was his sister's guardian and as a minor she needed to have a parent or guardian present. The Wal-Mart employees told James he wasn't allowed in the room. A Wal-Mart manager appeared and stated that she would serve as guardian for Destiny. James refused to agree to his sister or her friend being questioned without his presence, and he tried to follow the girls into the interrogation room.

The girls complied with the order to enter the room, but when James followed, he was pushed out of the way and the door was shut in his face. James says he could hear the men yelling at the girls. One asked, "Why don't you people respect us?" James then called 911. Two Davenport police officers arrived. They didn't identify themselves to James nor did they ask for his version of the incident. They took their place in front of the door.

Within seconds of the officers' arrival, the door to the room opened, and Destiny ran out toward her brother. Destiny had not been told to stay in the room, nor was she being physically restrained. She never reached her brother's side. One of the officers applied an arm bar that put Destiny face down on the floor of Wal-Mart. The officer then dropped his knee into the middle of her back. As her forehead hit the floor, Destiny was lifted up by the back of her shirt and spun around so that her forehead hit the wall. Her face was then manually turned by the officer and pressed into the wall. The officer turned Destiny around so that she was facing him and pressed down on her shoulders until she was sitting on the floor.

There's a lot more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-norman/another-wal-mart-shoplift_b_376228.html

They need to get a good lawyer and go after those bastards with everything they've got. I'd sue them for everything under the sun and more.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:06 AM
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1. Grits - you find the most interesting stories. K&R!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:09 AM
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2. Sigh. Wal-Mart must die. nt
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:09 AM
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3. Oh man! Those poor kids.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:10 AM
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4. Mao-Mart and the PIGGIES.
What a "lovely" couple.

:puke:
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:10 AM
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5. Fucking Wal-Mart, fucking pigs.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:59 AM
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6. kick and rec
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:04 AM
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7. Sounds like a little frontier justice is called for here
:mad:

I hope they go to jail for assault.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:05 AM
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8. k & r
just horrible.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:07 AM
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9. Kick the shit out the Walmart employees and the cops. Both are equally shit bags.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:15 AM
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10. I'd believe it.
WalMart security once tackled my physically disabled mother on her way out the door because a friend she was shopping with was believed to be shoplifting. Mom didn't know what the hell was going on (the security guys weren't uniformed, they were huge, and it's a rough neighborhood, so she thought she was being mugged or worse) and when she struggled before they identified themselves, they called the cops and tried to get her prosecuted for assault. Keep in mind, this woman is stick-thin, covered by surgical scars, and has a spine held together by bone grafts, metal rods and prayer, but she supposedly assaulted a man who probably weighed twice what she does by daring to struggle to free herself after being tackled by an unknown party out of the blue.

Fuck Wal-Mart. They're evil bastards, and nobody should ever darken their door unless it's to finally shut that vile place down.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:18 AM
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11. That Wal-Mart probably has a lot of influence in that town
The police probably know this, and they would rather not bite the tax revenue that feeds them.
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:42 AM
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12. I Represented A Kid With Almost The EXACT Same Fact Pattern
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 01:48 AM by ChoppinBroccoli
In my case, I represented a 16-year-old kid who went to Wal-Mart with his friend and his infant brother. As my kid pushed a cart with his brother in the seat and shopped for food and other things, his friend went to the deli section of Wal-Mart and picked up a container of chicken wings and a bottle of soda. When his friend came back, the box of chicken had been opened and he was eating some of it. He asked my kid if he wanted some, and my kid ate one chicken wing and took a drink of the soda.

My kid then took a cart full of groceries to the check-out lane. Now, since he had won some sort of contest at school, he had two Wal-Mart gift cards in his pocket, one worth $100 and one worth $50. The groceries rang up to just over $100, he used his gift cards to pay for everything, and he walked into the vestibule area and looked for his friend, who he thought had gone through another lane.

As he began to push the cart full of groceries and his infant brother in the seat out the front door, a plainclothes Wal-Mart "loss prevention" officer stepped in front of him and grabbed the cart, not allowing him to exit. She told him she thought he had been shoplifting and that he needed to step into their office. As he protested, my kid showed her the receipt proving he paid for everything in his cart (and I know this happened because we got a hold of the surveillance tapes which clearly showed all of this happening). As my kid continued to refuse to leave the cart (with his baby brother in the seat) and go into the office, the security guard got more and more agitated, and began making aggressive movements toward my kid.

Now, my kid has had a checkered past, and has been in many fights at school, etc. But he has begun turning his life around, and since he had been working with Anger Management programs, he remembered that whenever he was being faced with a situation that could potentially turn violent, he was supposed to call the police and let them sort everything out. So that's what he did. He insisted that the security guard call the police, but that he wasn't going to leave the cart and his brother unwatched in the vestibule.

Well, the security guard didn't like that one bit. The SECOND security guard, who wandered over to "assist" after my kid didn't immediately go directly into the office, pulled out a cell phone and called the police. As this was going on, the first security guard continued to get more and more agitated, and you can see her making more aggressive movements toward my kid, and my kid continuing to back up and back up and back up (i.e. he wasn't escalating the situation at all). Finally, the first security guard shoved the cart back towards my kid, ran around to the side of it, and grabbed my kid's arm in order to forcefully shove him into the office. Doing what any normal person would do in that situation, my kid pulled his arm away. Then the security guard TACKLED him, and they went tumbling to the ground. As my kid kept getting up and backing away, this security guard kept attacking him and shoving him further and further back into the store (again, as the security tape showed, he continued to back up and away from the situation, even after being attacked--he even had several opportunities to run out the door and get away, but never did it because he believed himself to be fully in the right), until a whole crowd of security guards forcefully DRAGGED him into the security office, leaving his cart (with his infant brother) sitting there unsupervised in front of an open door to the parking lot.

Well, as you can imagine, the security guard claimed that my kid ATTACKED and INJURED her, and falsified a report to that effect after the fact. Her initial statement to the police indicated no injuries, while the statement she wrote out for Wal-Mart said she had some horrible injury to her hand that required an Emergency Room visit. My kid also got charged with.........get this...........the theft of about 7 cents worth of chicken wings and soda that were being concealed IN HIS STOMACH. And what makes it even worse is that this security guard literally started a BRAWL to stop this kid from stealing 7 cents worth of half-digested food, and then got on the stand and testified that it's Wal-Mart policy that they aren't even allowed to stop you unless they think you've stolen at least $25.00 worth of merchandise. Also, they failed to answer the question why this kid would KNOWINGLY (and that word is the key, because in order to be found guilty of a theft offense, there has to be an INTENT to steal something) shoplift 7 cents worth of food when he had just paid for over 100 bucks worth of other stuff AND had a $50 Wal-Mart gift card in his pocket.

In my research and preparation for this case, I found a couple of things. First of all, Wal-Mart security guards are not allowed to physically restrain you IN ANY WAY. They are merely allowed to HOLD you until the police come. And at no time are they EVER allowed to put their hands on you. They can ASK you to go into their office, but they can't FORCE you in there. And that's not just Wal-Mart policy, that's actually written into the law of the State of Ohio. So learn from other people's experiences. If you ever find yourself in this situation, INSIST that the security guard call the police, but REFUSE to go into the office (make sure everything that happens has PLENTY of witnesses). And then, if their fragile little egos can't handle that, and they get physical with you, sue their asses off.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:47 AM
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13. So what happened in court?
Did the kid get off?
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:06 AM
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15. Actually, It Gets Even Worse
I was representing the kid on a misdemeanor charge of getting into a fight at school. Since he was ALSO charged with this theft offense at the same time, the cases were set on the same day. However, this kid had a family friend representing him on the theft charge. My school assualt case was easy (the kid admitted he'd gotten into a fight at school and took responsibility for it, so I just pled him out to that charge), but he went to trial on the Theft (a decision I supported).

The attorney who represented him on the theft charge was, as I said, a family friend, but she was NOT an experienced criminal attorney, and I had to kind of help walk her through the preparations. While I co-counseled with her on the Theft charge all the way up to the day of trial (even though I was only appointed to represent him on the assault charge, and I wasn't getting paid to help him out on the theft--I continued to stick around and help out just because I believed in this kid's cause), she actually conducted the trial. I tried to help her as much as I could, but she was an older attorney who was, I'm sure, very experienced in whatever area of law she normally practiced, and as such, her ego got in the way. While I tried to offer her the benefit of my vast trial experience, she took it as an affront to her competence or some such thing, and started rejecting my ideas. And that was fine with me; it was her trial, and I didn't want to overassert myself.

On the day of the trial, I told the kid that while MY case with him was over, I would stay for the trial and co-counsel with his other attorney if he wanted me to. He said he wanted me to stay, so I sat in the back of the courtroom and kept copious notes of the testimony, and compiled a list of questions that I would have asked had I been conducting the trial. Now, whenever I try a case, I do my thing, and then I ask EVERYONE else on my side (my client, any co-counsel I might have, or pretty much any other attorney at the table) whether I forgot anything, and if there are any other questions they think I should ask. I don't sit down until I give EVERYONE input. I expected this other attorney to do the same thing, and had all my questions prepared FOR HER (and believe me, she missed A LOT of very pertinent questions). When she finished her questioning, she sat down. Not once did she even GLANCE in my direction to ask if I caught anything she forgot, or anything like that. Frankly, that offended me. Yes, I may have been younger than her, but I was quite clearly INFINITELY more experienced as a trial attorney than she was. She had a GREAT resource sitting RIGHT BEHIND HER, and she never once used me. And believe me, she needed the help. So, as the first day of the trial ended, I decided I wasn't going to waste my time coming back for Day 2 if I was going to be nothing more than a spectator.

I went back a few weeks later and talked to the Judge who heard the case (he's a friendly guy I get along with well) to find out what happened. Because the attorney bungled the case so badly, he found the kid guilty, but felt so bad for him because of his attorney's performance, that he just closed the case out with no further sanctions (meaning there was no punishment doled out, other than the fact that the conviction will show up on his Juvenile Criminal Record). I thought this was a shame, not only because I believe that I could have won the case had I been the one trying it (or if his attorney had consulted me at any point during the trial), but now, since he was found guilty, he has no basis for a civil suit against Wal-Mart. True, the kid walked away from the situation with no criminal sanctions, but now all he can get out of it is a learning experience (and meanwhile, Wal-Mart skates away scot-free).

So don't think that just because a person calls himself/herself an attorney, that that person is competent to handle your specific case. If that kid had had an experienced trial attorney (or at least one that didn't consider consulting a more experienced co-counsel a blow to her ego), the outcome would have been vastly different.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:49 AM
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14. I was once falsely accused of shoplifting
It was at a Venture store. They detained me, searched my bags and my purse and didn't find anything (because I hadn't shoplifted - duh!) and called the local police who treated me like a criminal. After an hour they decided to let me go and said I was banned from the store. I said like I would WANT to come back here? LOL
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:35 AM
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16. I stopped shopping at walmart, because I would get followed around by what looked like store detecti
store detectives...

last time, I went in there, as I went through the exit the store alarm went off...I waited for sec, no one came, so kept walking - I fully expected someone to tackle me before I got to my car

I literally loathe Wal-mart
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