Can we all agree on this fine point?

[Stinky The Clown]

The Taliban gave refuge. That's it. They didn't plan the hit on us. They just allowed it to happen. Not even as culpable, arguably, as the driver in a bank robbery.

The guys that did this, and the guy that whipped them up were *tada* Saudis.

Now ..... what we *do* about any of this is what the debate's all about.

[polichick]

1. And don't forget who trained them to fly. nt

[NightWatcher]

4. they trained in Pensacola, Fl......bomb Florida!!!????

[polichick]

5. Yep - my home state aided and abetted. We're not called Floriduh for nothin'!

[MadMaddie]

2. Agreed Stinky! We have a bigger problem now because of

the previous administrations lack of attention Pakistan is on the border of destablization I think this is part of decision.

[Chulanowa]

12. What previous administration? There was a president before obama?

Reading DU, you'd never know it.

[MadMaddie]

18. Ain't that the truth!!

:hi:

[shadowknows69]

3. I can't believe how this speech started. I am so incredibly disappointed.

[Myrina]

6. ... he sure spent the weekend drinkin' the Bush Kool Aid, didn't he?

:(

[polichick]

8. This line made me cringe: "The status quo is not sustainable." nt

[ixion]

7. "They just allowed it to happen"

just exactly 'who' allowed it to happen is very much open to debate, since the US never produced evidence.

[mike_c]

9. the taliban was never party to the 9/11 plannning and did not "give refuge"...

...in any active sense-- the Taliban has no international agenda at all, really. By the same token, the U.S. "gave refuge" to the 9/11 attackers, and arguably the U.S. refuge was the more operationally important one. Maybe we should bomb Florida instead.

[Fire1]

10. But they are trying to take over the Afghan government. n/t

[leftstreet]

14. ChristoFascists are trying to take over OUR govt - should Russia invade us?

[Fire1]

19. If we don't have the wherewithall to do it for ourselves I would

hope someone in the league of nations would take up our cause. Especially, if doing so would be in their best interest.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. I think we agree

Our difference, if any, is purely semantic.

[leftstreet]

13. +1

[xiamiam]

15. we get out of afghanistan...the speech was a dud..no one bought it..not even obama

he delivered the worst speech of his presidency because it was all utter bs..he knew it ..we knew it..tonight was a turning point...and not one which i am happy about..but it was and it will be...and not one that any of us will be happy about..

[KG]

16. anybody still think an operation as complex as 9-11 (official version) was planned and controlled

from a cave in afghanistan?

[DemBones DemBones]

17. And Obama bowed to the Saudi king.

I think Karzai is Pashtun for Diem.