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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:07 PM
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Rick Warren, Silent Enabler Of Hatred
One of Rick Warren's (and president George W. Bush's) longtime allies in Uganda, Martin Ssempe, is the author of a classic piece of minority-baiting legislation. Its details belong in the history of genocidal hatred:

The Ugandan penal code already criminalizes sexual relations "against the order of nature," a characterization that is frequently used to prosecute gays. Under the proposed Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, homosexual relations are specifically targeted. Anyone in a position of authority who is aware of a gay or lesbian individual has 24 hours to inform police or face jail time. Individuals found to engage in efforts to sexually stimulate another for the purpose of homosexual relations, or found touching another for that purpose, will face life in prison. Those who engage in "aggravated homosexuality" -- defined as repeated homosexual relations or sexual contact with others who are HIV/AIDS infected -- will face the death penalty.

This is an act of terror and murder against an already beleaguered minority, and Warren is an accessory to it. As a powerful figure in distributing AIDS funding in Uganda, he cannot bring himself to oppose a law that would condemn someone in a gay relationship to death, and imprison him or her for touching another human being, and inciting a wave of informing on family members and friends and acquaintances in order to terrify a sexual minority. This alleged man of God cannot speak out on this - except to protect his own p.r. His schtick of actually being the nice evangelical - a schtick that got him to Obama's inauguration - is a lie. If he cannot condemn this fascist act of violence against a tiny minority of vulnerable human beings, then his position in this struggle is clear enough.

Just as he publicly inveighed in favor of stripping gay couples of civil equality in California, and then pretended he didn't, now he distances himself from Ssempe, while refusing to condemn this law reminiscent of early attempts to wipe out minorities in Serbia, Nazi Germany, and Rwanda. This is classic avoidance in an atmosphere of extreme danger. It is the same as the Catholic church's disgraceful neutrality in Rwanda and Nazi Germany, as they saw a chance to enable others to wipe out a minority they wished could be wiped off the face of the earth:

Warren won't go so far as to condemn the legislation itself. A request for a broader reaction to the proposed Ugandan anti-homosexual laws generated this response: "The fundamental dignity of every person, our right to be free, and the freedom to make moral choices are gifts endowed by God, our creator. However, it is not my personal calling as a pastor in America to comment or interfere in the political process of other nations." On Meet the Press this morning, he reiterated this neutral stance in a different context: "As a pastor, my job is to encourage, to support. I never take sides."

He lies. He has taken sides, whenever possible, to stigmatize, demonize and now physically threaten the lives of gay people in his own country and abroad. And his silence on this issue means the deaths of others. Warren needs to come out and condemn this law as evil, which it is. And to stop hiding his own enmeshment with the most virulent forms of fundamentalist hatred under the veil of media-savvy benevolence.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/11/rick-warren-silent-enabler-of-hatred.html


Holy moly.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:08 PM
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1. ITS' ONLY GOING TO BE A TOW MINUTE PRAYER!11!!1!!!1!11!!!1
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:10 PM
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5. +1
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:00 PM
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25. Don't ruin this for the rest of us!!!111
:sarcasm:

I'll never forget that gem.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:01 PM
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26. That big gaping asshole is still here, isn't he?
Meanwhile, smart, loyal longtime DUers sleep with the fishes.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:26 PM
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31. Yep.
Smart, caring people got canned and his dumb, callous ass got to stay.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:05 PM
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45. +like, a billion
NT!

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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:08 PM
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2. He's not silent. He communicates loudly and clearly. We know where he stands.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:09 PM
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3. ....by the company you keep....
...
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:21 PM
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13. Hmmmm...
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:27 PM
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34. !
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:39 PM
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39. .
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:15 PM
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40. !!
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:09 PM
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4. Rick Warren disgusts me.
It's still hard to believe he was chosen to participate in Obama's inauguration.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:07 PM
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46. orahma's bigotry of GLBT folk is well-known. He wouldn't be allowed on DU...
...since he doesn't support our equal right to marry.

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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:30 AM
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62. And unlike last year,
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 10:30 AM by WorseBeforeBetter
no one has shown up to defend. Interesting.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:11 PM
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6. not only that - warren's chuch = highly active in uganda. i wouldn't be
surprised if he/the church had a hand in the legislation, directly or indirectly.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:12 PM
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8. Of course. All of this was well-documented before the "two minute prayer"
yet people were shouted down for criticizing this ogre of a pastor in sheep's clothing.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:11 PM
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7. So am I the only rec on this, or does Bluebear have an unrec fan club too?
:kick:
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:17 PM
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10. No. The usual bottom-feeders are out UNRECing in force today.
Anything pro-gay, or could be minimally construed pro-gay, is high on the list.

For the Rick Warren fans: the man is a liar, a cheat and a rampant homophobic bigot. Oh yeah, and a shitty writer.

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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:30 PM
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15. Any reason for them being particularly virulent today?
?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:18 PM
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11. I don't take it personally. There is an anti-gay element and certainly a league...
that wishes to avoid any tarnish on the Obama campaign.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:31 PM
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17. Anti-gay Obama supporters! Imagine that!
It can't be!

:sarcasm:

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:33 PM
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19. ALERT!1!! AELRT!!!!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:25 PM
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14. I Rec'ed it. n/t
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:46 PM
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23. I recced the OP as soon as I'd read it.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:17 PM
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9. HE"S ONLY GOING TO SING ONE SONG!1!1!!1!!!111!!!!!1!!!!!!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 07:51 PM
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38. You will NOT ruin this for the rest of us!!!!!11
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:19 PM
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12. K/R. Found that fucker REPULSIVE on MTP. nt
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neshanic still Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:30 PM
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16. Five minutes, Uncounted warnings.
So now death is in the mix. You are killed for being gay. Executed.

This man given at that podium does not condemn it. Our national symbol. He can't say if he's really against murdering gay people.

Did we warn? Did anyone really take us seriously? Will they in the future? Probably not.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:45 PM
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22. And welcome to DU!
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neshanic still Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:48 PM
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24. Thank you! Your welcome is most appreciated.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:33 PM
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18. warren/congo
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:06 PM
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27. "...global expansion of the Kingdom of God"
the "radical devotion of every believer"

:scared:

This guy is spooky
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:34 PM
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20. dupe
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 03:35 PM by Hannah Bell
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:35 PM
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21. I disagree with the title.
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 03:35 PM by Behind the Aegis
He has been anything but silent as an enabler! But, I do have an idea who the "silent" enabler is.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:08 PM
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28. K&R
:nuke:

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:18 PM
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29. Out of the thousands of clergy people in this country
Barack Obama found this scum the most worthy of praise and high honor. And that is just disgusting.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:18 PM
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30. Rick Warren is a bigoted piece of shit.
To use Bill Hicks' terminology - he's a demon set loose on the earth to lower the standards.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:27 PM
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32. K&R&
:puke:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:30 PM
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33. He's a Christo-Fascist PIG.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:36 PM
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35. K&R. Thanks, Bluebear for the story and link.
"Reaching out"
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:34 PM
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36. Presidential BFF Kick! n/t
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:57 PM
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37. K&R
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:23 PM
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41. he is absolutely disgusting
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:35 PM
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42. So where are all the posters who defended this piece of crap last year?

The annoying little truth is that Rick Warren is a soulless sack of death and should never had a place of honor at our Inauguration. I guess all those dead gays in Africa are whining poutragers who only wanted a pony. Maybe they should have just "grown up" and let the adults talk. Besides gays can hide the fact that they are gay, but black people...oh wait.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:59 PM
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43. Not a soul here will admit to ever having defended Warren,
but we all know who they are.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:08 PM
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48. I remember every one.
I would just love it if one of them would have the courage to post in one of these threads.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:04 AM
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52. Many of them are still here, and still spewing venom at everyone in sight. n/t
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:11 AM
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60. Care to PM me a list?
I like trouble. :evilgrin:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:04 PM
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44. The pom poms have gone strangely silent.
I don't suppose the banished will be welcomed back with mea culpas?

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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:16 PM
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49. Wouldn't that be something?
I doubt it though. The ripe smell around here lately is that of political expediency. I'm afraid it isn't going away anytime soon. :(
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:33 PM
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50. Nope. Sad.
The "supporters" must be getting their monthly paycheck . . . er, pep talk.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:08 PM
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47. I live in his hometown, I've always known he was a spineless, soulless, bigoted piece of shit.
I was pissed when Obama chose this asshole to give the opening prayer at the inauguration.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:49 PM
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51. I live in the Bay Area.
I was pissed too. I'm not over it. I don't appreciate living in a theocracy.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:34 AM
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53. K&R n/t
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:51 AM
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54. The Bible is anti-gay but pro-incest????
Quoting from the Bible, Genesis, Chapter 19, Verses 30-38.

30. And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
31. And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

33. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

36. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

37. And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

38. And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Ben-ammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.


Just think of it! A father committing the sexual act with his own daughters and so drunk that "he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose!" We are to believe that God destroyed 2 cities for their evil deeds (including homosexual acts) but saved Lot and his daughters -- so they could commit incest??

Then there's my question about Adam and Eve. If they were the very first people on earth, and Eve gave birth to 2 sons -- how did the sons marry and produce children? Either Adam & Eve weren't the 1st people (so the Bible was wrong) or we are all the result of incest.

Try throwing this back at the plastic Christians you meet. Trust me, it drives them nuts.


:fistbump:
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:59 AM
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55. I bet he would take sides if they were putting Christians to death....
fucking swine bag religious dumbass.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:07 AM
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56. K&R
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AVID Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:10 AM
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57. Obama went out on the wrong limb with this guy - BAD decision. Warren is hate.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:35 AM
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58. KICK!
:kick:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:52 AM
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59. kick.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:17 AM
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61. K&R n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:22 PM
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63. Noting silent about him. And Obama gave him a global forum. nt
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:59 PM
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64. And good people were hounded off DU for thinking it was wrong
to give an international stage to a man like Warren.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 04:08 PM
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65. You people ......
..... are never satisfied. <----***EXTREME*** sarcasm.

Rick Warren is one of the things about Obama that I dislike.

Intensely.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 08:25 PM
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66. For many people here, Warren was their first clue
that Obama was a consummate bullshit artist.

Others of us had already figured it out long before, though.
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