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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 07:51 PM
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Fundies: "Left Wing Factions" picking on good, God-Fearing pro-abstinence ed principal in Virginia
Edited on Thu Nov-26-09 07:56 PM by marmar
from the American Family Association, which wishes you a Happy Hetero Thanksgiving:



Faculty chastises abstinence promotion
Charlie Butts - OneNewsNow - 11/25/2009 7:00:00


A Virginia school principal has fallen under the scrutiny and criticism of her own staff for publicizing abstinence.

More than ten faculty members e-mailed Douglas Freeman High School Superintendent Patrick Russo because of the appearance of abstinence proponent Pam Stenzel. Victoria Cobb of the Family Foundation of Virginia tells OneNewsNow that criticism also came from local affiliates of NARAL Pro-Choice and the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN).

"I did not see anywhere in the news reports that it was parents (who were) objecting," contends Cobb. "And in fact, when you look at surveys around the country nationally done, you will see (that) parents overwhelming support abstinence as the message (they want) being taught to their children. It is only the left-wing factions of our society that really find this offensive."

CitizenLink reports that Principal Anne L. Poates provided the option for students to opt out of the session, and that was made known to parents via e-mail. Nevertheless, there was interference at the outset.

"This speaker was told to censor her remarks, and in particular told not to speak about pregnancy resource centers because they do not offer abortions," Cobb reports.

She is hopeful that parents in Richmond will rise to defend Russo. Cobb further notes the irony in the fact that another suburban Richmond school district recently decided to teach the Bible as an elective.


http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Default.aspx?id=782654


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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 07:56 PM
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1. Good.
Fuck those stupid fundy nitwits.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 07:59 PM
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2. Abstinence is fine, but as one method among many
I was a teenager not to long ago, and let me just say, I can understand how perfectly reasonable kids, who are not impulsive, can give in to the temptation to have sex. It's one thing to encourage abstinence while kids are still in high school, and to tell the kids who are waiting to have sex (or the kids who are socially awkward and just cannot get laid) that their choices are respectable. Having said that, sex ed has to be taught with a recognition that most high school aged kids are active.

And abstinence until marriage is just downright cruel. What if you don't get married until you're 32, which is much more common today? Do we really expect such people to never have sex? Puleeze.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 08:30 PM
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3. The only reason these old religious texts teach that pre-marital sex is a sin
is because back in the day there was no way for a doctor to perform a paternity test.. Men cannot physically produce their own offspring.. so throughout history, men have always waged war against the womb.
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GMA Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 09:06 PM
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6. Or,
because it was considered to be the fruition of a sacred covenant between two people, within the bonds of marriage.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 10:26 PM
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7. Or, because women were treated as property and were worthless if they weren't virgins.
Let's be honest about history.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 10:51 PM
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9. You realize that pregnancy was considered betrothal in many societies?
A young woman was very often quite pregnant before marriage was offered or arranged. It solved two questions, one, that the female was fertile and could bear children, and two, the child conceived to a virgin was most assuredly the fathers, and not someone else's child.

You are confusing the modern concept of marriage with what was actually going on at the time.

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GMA Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 09:03 PM
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4. Oh, horrors! No sex until 32!
Edited on Thu Nov-26-09 09:08 PM by GMA
Does that cause blindness or insanity or something?

And--as the mother of nine grown children--I had no problem teaching that there is great honor and inner peace that comes from mastering one's body, mind, and emotions. It's called maturity and integrity. But if kids are not given a good reason to take care of themselves, to protect themselves, it's easy to be reckless. We did our best to help them understand the dangers, then let them make decisions for themselves.

Some of our children were reckless. Some were not. I feel safe in saying that those who were reckless wish that they had not been, and those who were not reckless are not burdened by regrets, physically, mentally, emotionally, or spiritually. Life is just clearer and easier, and they see themselves as being able to withstand almost any challenge because they have inner strength and clarity.

The truth is, people can live just fine without sex. It's not like having a bowel movement, where if you get backed up you explode! What's sad is that sex is treated as not much different from a bowel movement: just a bodily function. It's no wonder that kids think they can't make it through their teens, let alone their adulthood, without sex! They're told day in and day out that it's simply too hard to resist.

After 23 years of marriage to the best man on the face of the earth, and lots and lots and lots and lots of sex, I can tell you it's worth waiting for the right time and circumstances. You may not agree that marriage is a prerequisite. I do happen to believe that, because I see sex as the most deep, incredible, wonderful (oh, and fun) form of communication and bonding between two people.

But that's just me...
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 10:34 PM
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8. Oh horrors! Unmarried teen-agers having sex!
If God wanted teen-agers to engage in sexual relations, He would have given them fully-functioning sexual organs and the desire to use them. But just like driver's education makes young people want to go out and get into fatal car crashes, sex education makes young people go right out and . . .

:rofl:

I knew I couldn't get through typing that.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 10:54 PM
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10. Hell, I never even knew what it was good for before Sex Ed.
Edited on Thu Nov-26-09 10:54 PM by Ikonoklast
After the first day, I couldn't wait to get home and give it a test drive.

But, I waited until I was thirty-two.



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GMA Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 07:56 PM
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12. Smile...
Lots of people have a fully developed urge to do lots of things they'd be better of not doing. Just because you have the equipment and the urge doesn't make giving in good for you.
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discocrisco01 Donating Member (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 05:37 PM
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11. No Sex Until 32
Wow! Going without sex until 32 is hard? Look dude> It can be done and I am a secular humanist.

Of Course, I have high-functioning autism and so I do not get the girls.

In reality, it is because I have little time for relationships given that AA and Burning Man keep my schedule so busy.

The problem is that I want to date a Burner but one is in the program, who is very spiritual, who is a progressive, and somebody who would accept an Aspie. That is very, very hard to find. And yes, it is very possible to remain sober in the BM community. Actually, it is a lot easier than the club scene because people have a lot more empathy and tolerance in the BM community than the club/raver community.

And finding somebody in AA who wants to be BM. That is hard. Real hard.
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 09:06 PM
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5. I certainly don't want MY tax dollars teaching abstinence only BS
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