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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 11:49 AM
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we have 235 military sites in Germany and 50,000+ troops

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There's no longer any realistic chance of any superpower invading Germany. But you wouldn't know it considering the American military still owns 235 sites in Germany -- that's not a typo -- and those sites hold more than 50,000 troops. Exact troop numbers are hard to determine, given that many of those stationed in Germany were temporarily shifted to Iraq or Afghanistan, but the Department of Defense's own records show it still owns or leases nearly 10,000 buildings encompassing more than 39 million square footage in Germany (and uses even more sites it doesn't own). Obviously, this is only a fraction of the presence the military had there during its "Cold War" heyday. Still, polls consistently show that a clear majority of Germans want the bases gone and, more to the point, this costs Americans unnecessarily billions.

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The ridiculousness of America's non-conflict defense budget doesn't get nearly enough public scrutiny, mostly because it's an ongoing problem without easy newshooks. The statistics should be familiar, but can't be repeated enough. Roughly 58 percent of the government's discretionary spending goes to the military. The U.S. military currently has troops in 135 of the world's 196 countries. The country could cut more than 80 percent of its military budget and still spend more than any other nation. Polls routinely show the American public grossly underestimates how much of its tax money goes to the military. They also show that the public doesn't realize that, while more than half of all taxes go to defense spending, the Bush Administration made sure that doesn't count Iraq and Afghanistan, which were always funded with separate appropriations. And at a time when conservatives are up in arms about a health-care bill that might cost $1 trillion over 10 years, don't forget the 10-year estimate for Iraq alone is upwards of $2 trillion.

Defense spending hasn't received nearly enough blame for the country's current economic crisis, as it costs taxpayers dearly and handcuffs the government's ability to deal with other problems for years. Even a 10-20 percent cut would go a long way toward paying for domestic priorities or getting deficits in line, and permanent bases are one of many obvious places to cut.

And this is hardly just Germany. The day before American and other officials were celebrating in Berlin, between 20,000-25,000 people took to the streets of Okinawa to protest the DoD's flip-flop on closing a base there. Okinawa has for years been notorious as the site of violence against local women on the part of American personnel, with the 2008 rape of a 14-year-old girl the latest high-profile example. "It has happened over and over again in the past and I take it as a grave case," Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda said at the time. Okinawa's residents have consistently protested having to house tens of thousands of troops and even President Bush, who normally never met a military project he wouldn't back, agreed to close a major base there and to shift some 8,000 personnel off the island. However, a few weeks ago -- on a day when the public and the TV news networks were too busy obsessing over the "balloon boy" who wasn't in a balloon to notice -- the military quietly announced its refusal to comply with that decision, prompting the protests.

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One of the great failures of post-9/11 America is that, more than eight years later, the former site of the World Trade Center remains a giant hole in the ground. It's become less a reminder of that day's tragedy than a reminder that a country that put a man on the moon in less than a decade now struggles to complete anything. Occupying Germany and Japan for six decades, and Korea for five, underscores the same costly inability to close chapters.
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if we were not a military empire we would have more then enough money for universal health care

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:00 PM
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1. Yup, it's out of control. I should point out...
...that in the case of Germany and Japan it is not simply to keep the Russians and the Chinese out, but also to prevent those countries from posing a threat.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:15 PM
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2. if I remember correctly, we had 300,000 there back several decades when I was stationed there
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:16 PM
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3. We're still in Germany because of Russia
And because the cold war never really ended.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 01:14 PM
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7. Kissinger had some theory about how Russia is our natural enemy.
I remember reading one of his abominable books in a government class in college back in the 1960s. My professor was Japanese. The class was the worst I had in college thanks to the professor and Dr. Kissinger.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:28 PM
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4. We have to be in Japan because we in essence own it.
By that I mean that in their unconditional surrender and subsequent restoration we forbid them the right and theoretically the capacity to ever wage war. So it would be our responsibility to protect them. Even if they say they don't want us to, should we pull out then it would become necessary for them to build a military that would be in violation of the terms of their surrender and restoration. Right?
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 01:31 PM
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9. ? Japan does have a military. At the most we should be able to dock our ships there.
Edited on Thu Nov-26-09 01:32 PM by Arctic Dave
Modern warfare has surpassed any need for 1940's type troop deployments. Its equivalent to still using moats.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 01:43 PM
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11. I should think that landing strips and refueling places would be our primary interest.
Would they not?
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 01:44 PM
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12. What's to keep Japan from attacking Korea if we don't have bases?
Seriously, doesn't Japan have some kind of internal clock which drives them to attack the mainland every few decades?
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C_Lawyer09 Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:46 PM
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5. All True, and I agree
But bear in mind, (sadly) the military, industrial, corporate, complex has taken the place of our once vibrant manufacturing based industry. Therefore, getting Congressmen not to support one of the only job makers will not be easy. I'll also point out that while we have troops in 735 places in 135 countries, much of the forward lean might be more neccessary than you presume. I do feel we need to scale back, especially in regard to Germany and Japan, but what I feel needs more oversight is the mass privatization and contracts realized in the past 20 years. Most importantly, to me it is beyond the pale to ask Soldiers and Marines to deploy often 4-7 times in an 8-10 year time frame.
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:48 PM
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6. +1 nt
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 01:23 PM
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8. Largest public works project the US has ever had
The only reason we start wars in the past 30 years or so is to justify this enormous make-work project. Yes, we need to be able to defend our country when needed, but this is ridiculous. I do agree with the above that our manufacturing base has largely been replaced with jobs in the military-industrial complex. No wonder many on the right seem unconcerned about outsourcing - they see more potential recruits.
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Prospero1 Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 01:32 PM
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10. Isnt It about time.....
we bought the boys home from WWII?
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guruant Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:11 PM
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13. Just to put things into perspective...
The Pentagon has in fact been planning closures for a long time. Also, these 235 aren't full scale military bases. A lot of them are just barracks or housing communities in german villages that the military runs.

In fact, our current national security advisor (Gen. Jones) was the commanding officer in Europe who initiated the initial station/base closures (200 of them, in fact). I don't believe the administration is completely oblivious to the fact that we have a surplus of military locations overseas.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:13 PM
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14. But..but..look at all the Russian troops in E. Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia...oh, wait.
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