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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 04:43 PM Original message |
AP: White House ‘Met Early and Often with Lobbyists’ on Health Care |
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the blues (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. +1 brings rec's to 0 |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It's called we were played. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
76. I wonder if Joe Lieberman and whatshisname who was from North |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #76 |
103. And this is the deal they struck only they ran into some impediments |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Also Medicare's budget can be expanded to cover us all via reconciliation needing only 51 votes to p |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I would have met with same, if for no other reason than to be able to say |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. kestrel, du rules apply to everyone |
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parasearchers (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. I will wait till 2012, and then if the country needs to be shot in the head |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. I'll wait until the final bill. I wait until his speech about Afghanistan. I might just wait... |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Consider the present situation for a moment. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. A "hard sell" to whom? Not the public, since the public wants it |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Hey, no need to lecture me. |
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the blues (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. I draw a distinction between lobbyists and experts |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
43. Well said.. |
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Crzyrussell (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
99. Technically |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. deleted |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. Yeah... |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
56. But they do teach how to dispense DLC hogwash. Too bad it only pays five bucks an hour. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
107. Shame he listened to the corporate side more than those who care about us. |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. He said no more lobbying before he got elected. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. So that means he's not going to consult with anyone? |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
53. +1 brings it to recs 53 nt |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
105. 117 :) |
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Okota (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
65. why he met with lobbyist? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #65 |
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SergeStorms (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 07:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
88. Money........... |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. Apparently they also met with critics of the health care system |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. yes they did, with single payer advocates, dartmouth atlas researchers as well as corporate reps. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Flood insurance. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. The insurance companies are not stake holders. They are leeches who |
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Sukie (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. It appears he was doing what was needed in order to |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. lol |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I will see your lol and raise you a guffaw. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
57. And I'll toss in a haw haw haw. |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
63. Yep, amazing rewriting of history some here want to do.Anyone else remember when DR.s were shut out? |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
59. + 10 |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
75. I'M WITH YOU PT |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. XOXOXOX |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
96. Apparently, for some of you... the expected process for a loan application |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
8. That's the headline from rawstory? I would have thought David |
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radhika (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. What about Patient's Groups, Community Clinics, Non Profits? |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. The same lobbyists who were going to be sent packing by the new sheriff? |
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optimator (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
17. can't wait to hear the spin on this |
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AllTooEasy (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. what spin...he met with both sides, and the CEOs left pissed |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:55 AM Response to Reply #21 |
81. why were they pissed? The insurance companies got a hand out... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
18. But O-man looks hawt in a swimsuit so all is forgiven |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. and aren't they a gorgeous couple? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. Michelle is so hawt! All is forgiven. |
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AllTooEasy (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
19. old story, we knew this. His group meeting with the CEO's was broadcasted on every news channel |
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
23. I know Obama isn't quite the president I wan't him to be yet, but this looks like a good thing to me |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. So Physicians for a National Health Program got a meeting? |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #32 |
64. +1 |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
28. Right and that's not all they met with.. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
30. Wait, so the AP is a TRUSTED source now? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Raw Story. Before you shoot the messenger, learn to aim better |
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bikingaz (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I am interested in proper investigations on both party hacks |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Did you miss the headline? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. So let me get this straight. You advise only reading headlines? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. No but apparently you do. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Ugh, I was wrong. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #50 |
92. Don't worry about it. |
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philly_bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. I'm trusting AP less and less. Lately they seem to enjoy getting LW mad at Obama. /nt |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I can't stand AP either, but it is irrelevant wrt this story. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. No, the reporting is not originally from Raw Story. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Thank you, please see my post 50 for my apology. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. It's been an issue ever since Fournier took over the DC bureau. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
38. I think this was stated on numerous occasions |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. When Obama blocked the list of visitors to White House he made it news. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
46. Compromise in action. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
49. Didn't Obama say that NO lobbyists were allowed at the WH back in January? |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Oh, but that's so yesterday |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
106. indeed |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
52. Lobbyists are still accepted? WTF |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
54. Of course, they did. The White House is carrying water for the health care industry. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
55. cuz god forbid he make an informed decision. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Lobbyists are vital to an informed decision? Some of "you people" can explain away anything. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #68 |
89. and some of you people |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
61. Okay, so even though the 3rd line of this article states that he met with |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Yep. See post 39. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:25 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Obama said no lobbyists would be welcome in his White House, and this isn't what's happening. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:03 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. !!!11 |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
101. Didn't you leave DU? |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #61 |
72. The AP will play us for chumps every day |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #72 |
102. Right. Some don't need AP. They're happy riding the Ferris Wheel of Foolishness all day, every day |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
67. well duh! this was obvious the day he stood there with all those insurance ceos behind him |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
69. Oh I would have, I'd have been all, "So let's hear it. Lemme hear what a forked, $300K tongue... |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
70. And yet, insurance companies HATE the proposed bills |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:56 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. They are paying nearly $500,000,000 for influence. Not block, write. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I have a way around this. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Sounds right. Or we could work for public financing of elections |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Public funding would be awesome. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 03:02 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Thom Hartmann regularly mentions Portland's Campaign Finance Fund. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 03:24 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. When the hell did that become OK? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 04:02 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Contractors yes, but I just don't know |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 04:05 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Hey, have a Happy Thanksgiving. I am signing out. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. You too! :) nt |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
80. I think the people have been screwed...again.... |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 03:46 AM Response to Original message |
84. If Obama had wanted to, he could've got a single payer system enacted. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
91. Rahm's brother must've helped, too. |
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California Griz (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
93. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
94. ‘Met Early and Often with Lobbyists’ = Loaded language. |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
95. So that's where Single Payer went |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
97. It's not about the OP's, it's about the comments that ensue.... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
98. But hey, the President would have been happy to meet with any one of us |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #98 |
108. did you read the full article proper and not only the headline blasted? |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. But that does not undo the terrible damage done to this country when Obama's initial meme |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
100. Was it a cash or credit card transaction...er..meeting? |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
109. I take this as a good thing. Shouldn't the President listen to ALL Sides of an Issue? |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
111. you gotta listen to all sides. not unusual imo. unfortunately lobbying is 100% legal. |
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