When You Find Out A Friend Is A Teabagger...

[ComtesseDeSpair]

So, have you guys ever found out that a friend that you thought was like you is actually one of THEM? It just happened to me recently and I am having a terrible time coping with the realization. Actually, it started on Election Night last year. I wrote an e-mail to my friends telling them about my experience in Grant Park and how exciting it was and all of my friends wrote back congratulations... except Ginny. She wrote back a note saying that she "Could not be more depressed about the outcome of the election but she was happy for me anyway" and saying that she really "feared for the future of this country". I felt numb inside reading it because for all the years I knew her, I never had the slightest inkling that she was conservative. I thought she thought like me! She was a Wiccan, bisexual, seemingly open-minded person. How could this be?

I put that behind me though and went on my way, avoiding political discourse with her entirely. We have to work together, so it was for the best not to rock the boat. Then I made the mistake of accepting her Facebook friend request, and her husband's as well. Her husband has always been a jerk, but we could get along at a very basic computer geek level. Soon after I friended them, though, he posted some anti-Obama comment and I put him on ignore. Ginny never posted anything so I kinda forgot they were even out there and went about my normal existence...

Then a couple of weeks ago she got a new puppy and told me that she named him Reagan. REAGAN!!! She named her cute little dog after the man I hold primarily responsible for the destruction of this country. I wanted to say how disgusting I thought that was, but instead I just told her how adorable the puppy was and joked that I would have named him "Roosevelt" or "Kennedy" instead. We laughed it off and went on our way.

Back to Facebook: Being the progressive that I am, I started posting some funny stuff about Teabaggers, like the "Columbus Go Home!" punking, never thinking that she was so extreme as to be a teabagger herself. I mean, I knew she was conservative, but I never dreamed she was INSANE conservative. Then I realized her husband had unfriended me and saw that his profile picture said, "Don't Tread On Me" (the symbol of the idiot) on it. Uh-oh. Sure enough, she responded to my post about "Columbus Go Home!" with a, "You DO realize that I am one of the 'teabaggers' that you are referring to, right?" Ah, that familiar numb feeling of disbelief. How on earth could she be that hateful and irrational?

I asked her to explain why she supports the tea party stuff and she went off on me in this angry, incoherent rant where she said she was completely against "redistribution of wealth" and "Universal Health Care" and thought that Obama was a socialist and how she hated socialism, etc. She said that Obama was going to raise taxes sky high to pay for all the "free stuff" he was giving out and then she actually said that she didn't like Bush because, wait for it, he was "too progressive" for her. Then she said some apocalyptic stuff about how she hopes that I'm ready for the end of this country because it's coming soon and I'd better be prepared for it, etc.

I probably should have dropped it, but I could resist pointing out a few things:

1) Obama isn't for "Universal Health Care". He's for keeping things as they are, with a few regulations and changes. I *wish* he was for Single Payer Healthcare but he's not. So, you don't have anything to worry about with your health care.

2) She has spent over 20 years working for Medicare. MEDICARE!!!!! I said that I found it really odd that she feels that way considering that her job is to support socialized health care. (I wanted to say, "Perhaps you should give up your job for someone who actually believes in it?" but I refrained.)

3) I asked her what "free stuff" she was talking about and pointed out that her taxes have actually gone DOWN under Obama so why is she hating him for things she thinks MIGHT happen in the future, instead of appreciating him for what he has already done for her?

And of course, I couldn't resist a few other digs here and there - especially that ridiculous "Bush is progressive" comment. And I pointed out that it was the Republican deregulation and trickle-down policies that have brought this nation to ruin.

She came back and told me I was "hateful" and that I needed to read up on history (me, the girl who only reads non-fiction history books) and told off my gf who had made a couple funny comments about "socialism" too. And then she said that she was turning off my newsfeed so that she didn't see anything else I posted, blah blah blah.

So, basically, that friendship is over... I'll unfriend her after she sees my final reply... and I'm alternating between feelings of disbelief (how can she be so stupid/angry/hateful/misguided???), guilt (why did I have to bring up politics in the first place? I should keep my mouth shut then this wouldn't have happened), anxiety (how are we gonna work together now?), sadness (I really liked her and was planning on visiting her next year or the year after and now all those plans are over), betrayal (How can she hate things I love, and love things I hate?) and relief (good - now I can post that Mark Fiore "How To Speak Tea Bag" animation without worrying about offending her). But mainly I am just confused. How did I misjudge her so badly? When she lived in Texas for a couple years, we used to talk about how conservative Texas was and laugh about the ridiculousness of it. We mocked religious conventions together and embraced paganism. We talked about sexuality and the awfulness of homophobia. How could that be the same person who despises "socialism" and attends rallies where Obama is portrayed as Hitler? I am so confused. It's like the world turned upside down.

Sorry for the lengthy post, but I just had to share with some people who might understand what I'm going through...

[YOY]

1. So let me get this right. You need to "read up on history".

Praytell what history do you need to read up on? I think she needs to read it with you.

[Bigmack]

2. Keep a kind thought for your ex-friend....

mental illness is a terrible thing. (No, this is not a humorous post about mental illness. I am convinced that something organic-chemical happens to people who have the kind of changes your ex-friend had.)

[roguevalley]

49. do what I did with shitheads at work. Ignore their stuff, be professional

and nicely distant. Let her be the dumbass. Apparently, she keeps stuff under wraps because you didn't know she was so stupid. Keep it that way and don't let your eyes meet and your paths cross. I did that for 22 years.

[Flying Dream Blues]

3. I understand completely...especially the feeling of cold, sickenng numbness

when you realize someone you care about feels this way. Calling you "hateful" was quite a projection, indeed. It's very sad to lose a friend like this but I don't think you need to feel guilty in any way.
:hug:

[SharonRB]

4. What is it with conservatives naming their dogs Reagan?

The woman in the office next to mine, a staunch Republican, has a dog named Regan, too. She hates Obama and no way, now how wants health care reform. It's impossible to talk politics with her. It just upsets me. A few weeks ago she started ranting about how much she despises Obama and how he's a Socialist. She won't listen to reason at all.

I sympathize with you.

[whathehell]

30. Yup...My right wing cousin did the same!

[krabigirl]

57. What's worse is when they name their kids Reagan.

[SharonRB]

61. Thank goodness I don't know anyone who's done that

[verges]

62. It can kinda be okay if they name another one Goneril.

Or Cordelia.

*Yes, I know it's spelled differently. But they tend to be stupid and mispell stuff alot. The morans!

[kestrel91316]

5. I choose my "friends" carefully these days. People on Facebook who I know

may be referred to there as "friends", but some of them are family and some are friends of family and some are business contacts, and I don't get into politics with them. I try very hard to not invest emotional energy in relationships with people who lean right.

[CanonRay]

6. Answer: Wingnut husband

She's absorbing his views.

[ingac70]

22. Exactly.

I have an old friend from high school that was NEVER like that until she married a goofy redneck who loves Glenn Beck.

[ComtesseDeSpair]

38. You got that right!

Her husband is a total asshole, so that makes sense. And they moved from the Bay Area up to a small town in Northern Cali and I think they are absorbing the views of the small town too. It's really weird. All of a sudden they are stocking up on guns and stuff! Crazy.

[CBR]

41. Me too!! My maid of honor no less. She got married (I was her matron

of honor) and then she slowly started descended. I learned all of this through facebook. Her husband is a conservative and we (the husband and I) had discussed politics before over dinner -- it was civil and positive. She was a Hillary supporter in the primaries. We are from West Virginia. She now lives in NE Tennessee. She comes from working class West Virginians (as do I). Then she posted her 'Top 5' TV stations and it was Animal Planet, Fox News, Fox News, Fox News, Fox News -- no joke. This was followed by several status updates about how Fox News is the source of truth; blah, blah, blah. Then she went crazy on the day Obama won the Nobel. Her status was nutty. It is really disheartening.

[Mari333]

7. my brothers,my mother

all teabaggers. what the heck I love them anyway I just dont talk politics.

[JuniperLea]

8. I have an un-friend like that...

A guitarist, very talented, in the metal... not your typical area to find flaming RWers. He has a horrible medical condition and has been battling his health insurance company for over a year now. So he goes on and on and on about how horrible it is that he can't get the help he needs... is in constant pain... can't work, the whole nine yards. So I suggest he turn all that angst toward helping the prez get a good health care system in place with a public option or single payer so that he himself would be guaranteed the help he needs.

That opened the floodgate... he's completely twisted... can't get it through his head that his problems are with THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY, the same industry that is trying to keep a public option out of the plan.

Ugh...

[MrsCorleone]

27. I'm noticing that rock station hosts in my region have gone noticeably far right.

Might be same in your friend's neck of the woods. Maybe that would explain some of his RW tendencies.

[JuniperLea]

36. I noticed that too...

One in particular, an old friend, who while in LA was a tree-hugger... now in the south, well... I'm sure there are Kool-Aid stains on his upper lip.

[glitch]

45. Yikes, maybe he mirrors whatever's dominant in his area?

That's actually very sad, no personality of his own.

I think fear brings out a lot of dysfunction in people who are borderline. If they lived in a happy healthy environment perhaps they'd be happy and healthy. As it is, if they are borderline and pay any attention at all to corporate media they are ripe for the picking.

De-programming these poor sad souls will be a monumental task, should anyone ever attempt it.

[T Wolf]

9. "Friends" like this are a cancer. Unless you excise them or nuke them or chemically eradicate

them, the disease will kill you.

And like someone with a gangrene-ridden arm that must be amputated, losing something that had been a positive part of your life is very hard.

We all have/had friends and relatives who have been separated from us by the political battles that have resulted from the reich-wing war against progress.

I wouldn't beat yourself up so much over what you think is stupidity on your part in not recognizing what she was. You were doing your best (and better than many) in trying to preserve a relationship that was in serious peril. Give yourself credit for being a good person who really tried.

The failure is not yours.

[Warpy]

10. The key word in your post was "incoherent."

She's joined a cult. There is nothing you can do about it except hope enough adverse events descend on her to force her out of her trance and you get your friend back. Just don't count on it.

These people don't wake up until the wall falls on them. Then they realize there was never anything holding it up.

Likely she will get crazier and crazier until and unless that happens.

Either you cut all ties or you brace yourself for having your Facebook page and email clogged with Astroturfed right wing screeds.

Once they join the cult, there are no other options.

[ComtesseDeSpair]

58. A cult!

You know for some reason I had never really thought of it this way before. But you're exactly right - it's a cult. That would explain the irrationality, and the inability to engage in civilized debate. I am going to think of it in these terms from now on. It's so true...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

11. The women I know who are right wing extremists, are all emotionally disturbed to a degree, or....

they have a personality whereby they adopt anything their husband says, does or spews, and of course the husband is always right wing. I have never met a woman who is right wing and a husband who is a lefty. I think women are more easily led by the nose by the men they're with, than vice versa.

Men? Men can be right wing even tho single. Generally, single women aren't right wing unless they're emotionally disturbed or are avowed Bible-bangers.

[tblue]

12. Shocking, huh? I lost a couple friends, too.

I'm sorry that happened. If she's a close friend you love and your history is important to you, you could wait till things calm down a bit and then decide if you want to accept her and try to compartmentalize the friendship. If you can. I don't think I could. People like that stand for everything I am against and against everything I am for. I don't have the strength to deal with that. It's bad energy, bad karma, a lotta hate. I don't allow that in my life at all. Wow, and she's a bisexual Wiccan, too. Her hubby rubbed off on her, sounds like to me.

[flamingdem]

13. I discovered a new friend is a wingnut

decided to avoid him... but then yesterday we had a great talk, but avoided politics. It's doable..

[Kaleva]

15. A good friend will be in jail with you even if you two don't agree on politics.

[johnnie]

14. I've stopped talking to a few

It's not about not listening to people who have a different opinion than I, it's that these are the very people who spread bigotry, hatred and other things that I am not about. Old friend or not, if you are an asshole then I don't need to have you in my life.

Family is a different story.

[Speck Tater]

16. Logic cannot win over a person who does not believe in logic.

People who are immune to logic are best just left alone.

[EOTE]

17. Do people who don't believe in the "distribution of wealth"

believe that taxes shouldn't be collected and government be abolished? Or do they only think that wealth shouldn't be distributed via progressive taxation? Do they believe that distribution of wealth towards the wealthy is OK? I honestly wonder about this. They act like distribution of wealth is something brand new. Do they not see the myriad ways that government helps the wealthy keep their money and accumulate more of it? Are people really this clueless about how government works?

[Arugula Latte]

18. I'd wager her nutty husband has helped brainwash her.

Sometimes you just have to cut your line and move on. Too bad she turned wacky, but she has, and that's that. I'm sorry. :(

[Sinti]

19. Is your friend a racist?

If she is not a racist, then your friend is being/has been brainwashed by a cult. I am quite serious when I say this. There are distinct methodologies by which they program people, and to embrace these views after having been the complete antithesis is an obvious sign of programming.

If you reject her, she will become more isolated and therefore, more powerless to fend off the cult. She may reject you - but, I would not push her away. When you talk, if you talk, do so in non-political terms - talk about life rather than ideologies and parties.

Make sure she understands that you want the best possible outcome. Try not to judge, judgment pushes people away and causes them to entrench - besides being a useless waste of time and mental bandwidth. Television alone can do this to some folks, or going to church with friends a few times. I wonder if there's not some aerosol drug released in some of these churches, people act really weird for no reason - at least in the videos.

People's opinions are made up of the information they have and how they assemble it, often dependent on genetic factors. Change the information - change the opinion. People behave according to their opinions, generally, in whatever fashion they think will enable them to survive best. They won't always make sense to you - but if you change their information you change their action.

You could always just run for the hills... it might be the best thing. Only you can judge. I don't know the totality of the story, after all.

[Zoeisright]

20. Tell her that if she's a bisexual Wiccan,

all of the other teabaggers hate her guts, are afraid of her, and would tell her she's going to hell if they found out about that.

[conscious evolution]

24. My first thought was 'out her'

Let her know what hate really is.

[Zoeisright]

42. Yep.

But does she have enough of a thought process to realize they do hate her?

[BeFree]

21. Fooled again

The RW M$M are masters at delusions.
Anybody taken in by them should have our pity, and we should forgive them.

"It is ok. You have been deceived by the masters of delusion. "

[CJCRANE]

23. I dated one...

briefly. It was only after we'd arranged to meet that she friended me on Facebook and I saw the Nobama logo and links to Fox News and Sarah Palin etc. fansites on her page. I was literally dazed and confused...she seemed so normal and had never mentioned politics...

Anyway I met her a few times and took the opportunity to ask her why she likes Palin and Fox News and gained some interesting insights into the conservative mind.

I thought about trying to educate her but it turns out she's a sort of Megan McCain Republican, from a privileged background with conservative parents active in politics. Her Fox News talking points seemed to give her some measure of comfort in a world that had turned against her conservative heroes.

[ddeclue]

25. I don't need any of my friends THAT badly..nt

[HopeHoops]

26. Rub your nuts in his face.

That's what they want.

[ConnorMarc]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

I engage almost ANYONE in politics at almost anytime.

Right-Wingers often spew nonsense.

When they don't...its just straight up sick and demented beliefs.

[HopeHoops]

29. Often? OFTEN?

You're going to have to come up with a counter example for that one. Right wingers ALWAYS spew nonsense!

[ConnorMarc]

35. To Clarify...

I mean when they aren't spewing outright, wilfull and maliciious nonsense, a la Sarah Palin, Lush Rimbaugh, I Lost My Sanity et al. they truly have misguided beliefs and believe in things like trickle down economics and that anyone can get rich with hard work and determination in this country.

I've spoken to a few people and they really believe this. One of my recent former co-workers actually believes that if EVERYONE owned/carried a gun the country would be safer.

Some of them really and truly believe these things...hence the "often," as to not make all of them malicious, simply misguided and/or confused.

[madinmaryland]

28. As an aside, we named our cat Roosevelt when we got him a couple of years ago! The next one will be

"Clinton" or "Carter", and someday we will have an "Obama"!

[csziggy]

55. We had a season of foals we named Bill, Al, Tipper, and Jimmy

We already had a cat named Hillary who was born years before and was actually named for Sir Edmund, not for then First Lady Clinton.

Bill was a chunky blondish color; Al kind of upright and darkish, Tipper was not named for Mrs. Gore but because she had problems standing. And Jimmy was golden haired and a character. All the names fit nicely.

[whathehell]

31. I don't imagine her Tea-bag compadres would

take a shine to her Paganism...sounds like a very strange person.:eyes:

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33. They all spew the same cliched talking points

They are fed on a steady diet of this pap.

[bertman]

34. Have a very dear friend who married a right-wing, woman who is a bloviating ultra-

christian but does little to ACT like a true christian. Their TeeVee is tuned to Fox 24-7.

After getting the weekly fascist emails I told him to forget the communication if it was about politics.

The really ironic part of this is the guy has been on government disability payments most of his adult life.

Pisses me off. I don't want to be his (or her) friend anymore. I cannot identify with them in any way. Makes me sad and mad.

[mimitabby]

37. yes.

we are friends with a couple, we used to be very very close. THen he went over the deep end somewhere between Clinton's and gw's presidencies. Fortunately the wife is strong and did not succumb. But my husband was/is heartbroken and believe me all the joy went out of our relationship with them because of this.

I have another girlfriend who is married to a very conservative man. Fortunately for her, her children
were able to keep her somewhat grounded. But based on what she hears from her husband (and probably the TV) she was absolutely terrified when Obama won. He had convinced her it would be the end of the USA etc, etc..

And of course, you mention facebook. I have unfriended one of the three conservatives that are my friends on FB because I could not bear the ignorant drivel they were espousing. it just was not worth it to me.

I am hoping they will come out of their collective denial/lunacy some day; but i doubt it. Humans tend to have faith in total bullshit.

Walk away

[paulsby]

39. i say ... "so what?"

when i find that out about a friend. i've got some hardcore rightwing friends, and relatives. big deal. i don't try to convert them and vice versa. works out fine. there are more things in heaven and earth to have in common than political stuff.

[emilyg]

40. That's how I feel. I don't mix

friendships and politics.

[vadawg]

51. yup never discuss religion, politics or football with friends, dont care what wacky ideas friends

have, they are still my friends regardless of their views...

[DailyGrind51]

43. Get him to switch to coffee?

[HughMoran]

44. I posted the Fiore "How to Speak to a Teabagger" and would instantly cut off anybody

who had an issue with it.

Silence. Fuck 'em. Teabaggers are filthy subhuman morons who deserve nothing but a face covered in shit.

[Beregond2]

46. I wonder how many friendships are coming to an end

thanks to Facebook? I have had to put my two closest friends on "ignore" because of their annoying posts. But more to the point, I have ended my relationship with my nephew, and am spending Thanksgiving with friends to avoid him.

In his case, he was raised by Democrats, and idolized my father who was a very strong liberal. He married a woman who seemed okay at the time. But then she insisted they move to Idaho so she could be close to her family (despite the fact he hasn't had a decent job since,) she converted to Catholicism, and insisted their kids go to parochial school (despite their having no money to pay for it,) and succeeded in turning him into a wingnut. He started to post a lot of RW horseshit on his Facebook page, so I told him that was the end for me.

This has become quite the issue in my family. Everyone supports me, but they think I should be there for Thanksgiving. My attitude is, I want to spend my holidays with people I can have fun with, not spend it with my stomach in knots. I don't see removing myself from an unpleasant situation as a capitulation. It's not like I, or anyone, is going to be able to reason with him.

The irony is, he is very dependent on government help himself. Why is this so often the case with these people?

I don't believe that "family is another matter." I think it is an even more heinous betrayal when a relative embraces these noxious beliefs. Perhaps if everyone would take a firm stand with their relatives and say: "There are lines you don't cross and remain in my family" this country would be a lot better off.

[vadawg]

52. yeah that sounds like a good idea (not) think about the idea of a litmus test for family

dont you hate the very idea when its used against you or people who post on DU yet you would happily use it against people you dont agree with, yes i will say that family is another matter, blood is thicker than politics...

[glitch]

47. FEAR. Your former friend has succumbed. I have no advice other than walk away.

De-programming is complex and usually only attempted by people who are committed by love, like family members.

If she snaps out of it on her own welcome her with open arms, it's a big accomplishment. Like quitting smoking, not easy.

[njlib]

48. You're not alone

I had a "friend" tell me yesterday, in an e-mail conversation, "Fuck you and you're liberal asshole friends". Now, my first instinct was to point out "you're" should be "your", but I didn't...I just asked what brought that on and pointed out there was no need to get so heated. Every so often he sends me anti-dem, anti-Obama stuff because he KNOWS I'm going to get mad and refute whatever bullshit he's forwarding, which is exactly what started this whole exchange. He had sent a picture comparing Laura Bush in a pantsuit exiting AF1 and Michelle in shorts exiting AF1, with some sort of stupid caption about change. I pointed out that not only was this picture taken when they were going on vacation to Martha's Vineyard, but that it was nice to have a First Lady who isn't doped up and can think & speak for herself. I then asked if he thought it was OK when W dressed up as a cowboy to clear brush on the ranch and asked why we haven't seen him doing that since he's out of office. That's when I got his nasty reply, which then prompted me to ask why he so ferociously supports the republicans. I'm still waiting for a response and don't think I'll ever get one. A few weeks will go by and we'll start the cycle all over again..... :banghead:

[Fly by night]

50. Get a better class of friends.

Or adopt a dog from the Humane Society. You'll have more intellectual conversations with almost any dog than you will with a Bag-head.

[suede1]

53. We have a friend who is Buddhist, gives money to Tibetan monks and is into alternative medicine.

Her and her husband were against the Iraq War and we just found out a couple of months ago, she's a fan of Palin and Beck! We can't believe it. A Teabagger.

So, I understand.

[Subdivisions]

54. I joined Facebook in the hopes of catching up with friends/classmates

who I had lost contact with and, since I've moved around the country numerous times, was just about everyone I'd ever known. BIG MISTAKE! When we were young we didn't give a crap about politics/issues beyond what we were going to do on Fri/Sat nights after meeting at the Blacksmith Shop for pizza. Now, nearly all of my former high school friends and classmate in Arkansas are right-wing/teabagger/fundies. I try to take the attitude that we all have our own ideas about the world and our place in it. But, I just cannot stomach their way of thinking about things. It's like I used to live on a different planet.

[hfojvt]

56. economic vs. social liberal

from your last paragraph, your fff (former friend forever) is liberal on social issues. She is anti-Christian, pro-fornication, and pro-GLBT. Howver, she is not a liberal on economic issues. That's not really an unusual combination, and sometimes it is consistent, consistent in that the focus is mostly about me, me, me. That is, the person is a 'liberal' not to help others, but to help themselves. Don't push your Christian religion on ME. Don't put your sexual morality on ME. Don't tell ME I cannot have an abortion.

Support for those issues provides benefits for ME and costs ME nothing. Economic issues, OTOH, can be costly, especially for people above the median income. It can mean higher taxes on ME :wtf: and no benefit for ME, instead the benefits goto people on headstart, collecting food stamps, getting LIHEAP, and also subsidized insurance. There's nothing in it for ME, except increased costs. (unless you are one of my siblings and then you could at least feel that your no-account brother is getting some benefit out of it).

At that point, some people lose interest. It's not that they are necessarily against programs that help the poor, but only if those programs can be paid for by the taxes of people making more than 3 times as much as I make. I mean, come on, I cannot possibly afford higher taxes. I'm still building a house at my lakefront property and my kids are going to Princeton in a few years. edit: Plus, it's not like I am rich or anything.

[ComtesseDeSpair]

59. Thanks Everyone!

You definitely have made me feel better and come to grips with this situation. I really value taking the time to reply. It isn't easy but I'm coping. :)

[johnlucas]

60. She's a follower. Most people are.

I can bet that her allegiance to Wicca was just following what someone else was doing. Probably a boyfriend of her past. Then again this Republican thing could have always been her views.
It's not surprising how similar people are to their parents' or family's belief systems. Usually if there's a shift it's partially based ol' fashioned teenaged (or young adult) rebellion from the previous generation.

She has either always believed like this or she absorbed these beliefs from somebody she doted on/admired.
I truly believe that her Wicca beliefs are just a phase. She'll probably be 180° different in about 10 to 15 years.
You'll find that when the rubber meets the road, many people don't believe in the things they profess to believe.

Most people in the world are followers in some fashion or another. Including this place.
"Monkey see, monkey do" ain't just about monkeys. Human beings are just another "great ape" after all.
John Lucas

[Joanne98]

63. Tell her to fuck herself!

[Roon]

64. Last year I found out a female, lesbian friend of mine is a teabagger

She generally intelligent but she isn't too book smart. What 40-year-old really thinks that falling stars are actually stars and the space shuttle can go light speed?

On the other hand, she would make someone a good lover and a good mommy,something I was never able to do.

But yeah, I avoid politics and religion when we are talking.

[Skittles]

65. dump her

she is disgusting

[otohara]

66. Lost My Oldest Friend Over Bush

she moved to Atlanta, divorced wild liberal man, then married a uptight republican.

She resisted his garbage for years and then...presto....she was a wingnut. Living in the South had something to do with it also - she's a Southern woman now.

We will never speak again.