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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 08:24 PM
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Three more cities approve declaw bans
Three more cities approve declaw bans
Nov 18, 2009
DVM NEWSMAGAZINE


California -- Three more California cities officially have banned declawing, bringing the grand total to six cities making some kind of move against the practice.

Berkeley, Beverly Hills and Los Angeles city councils all cast final votes to ban declawing Nov. 17, joining San Francisco and Santa Monica, which passed similar bans earlier in November. Malibu condemned the practice in a resolution, but did not legally ban the practice.

Burbank City Council also heard arguments for a declaw ban at its Nov. 17 meeting and could have legislation on its agenda by its Nov. 24 meeting. Culver City and Humboldt, Marin and Sonoma counties also have expressed interest in seeking declawing bans, according to The Paw Project, an advocacy group that is pushing to get the bans into effect before a new state law takes effect that will prevent cities form meddling with state-regulated practices.

West Hollywood was the first California city to pass a declaw ban in 2003, spurring a fight between the city and the state veterinary medical association over whether cities could interfere with state-licensed professions. A new state law was signed in July, saying cities can’t pass laws that interfere with veterinary medicine practices allowed by the state, but the new law doesn’t affect laws passed before Jan. 1, 2010.

http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm/Veterinary+news/Three-more-cities-approve-declaw-bans/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/642790?contextCategoryId=378
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 08:39 PM
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1. It shouldn't require a city ban--
it should be banned from the get-go. I fear that the animals under our custodianship are going to continue to pay the price for humanity's vanity. An animal is a living, breathing, thinking part of our lives--why must furniture favor higher for some?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 08:46 PM
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2. I'm mentally rec-ing your post -- well done! nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:03 PM
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3. Shoot. I've got four Republicans I want to get declawed. Nasty little bastards.
Edited on Thu Nov-19-09 09:04 PM by valerief
Oh, well. Guess I'll have to...I don't know. No one will take them.
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kixat2550 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 06:59 PM
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20. muhahahahahaha
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:29 PM
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4. I wish they had passed it in Orange County!
I just found out last night that my *&^&$#!$%^ sister declawed her adorable 3 month old kitten when she spayed her. She hasn't told me for two months because she knew I would go off on her and I did. I told her forever how cruel and unnecessary it is. I begged her NOT to get a cat if she couldn't help herself from harming them. I am so angry at her I almost don't want to see her Christmas. But I do want to see her cat. I wish I'd stolen her like I threatened to do...fuck the screens and furniture! :nuke:
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DoctorMyEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:38 PM
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6. Fuck the screens and furniture?
Really?

Most people will not tolerate an animal continually and repeatedly destroying their home furnishings.

A lot more cats are going to go into shelters and eventually be put down - but at least they'll go to "kitty heaven" with their claws intact.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:56 PM
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8. I agree. I don't understand the need for claws on an indoor cat. nt
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 12:53 AM
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14. Then please, buy a goldfish...
Edited on Sat Nov-21-09 12:56 AM by Patchuli
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 01:23 AM
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17. What if misfortune strikes and you can't keep your cat? Or if she gets out and must defend herself?
Or catch food? It's too cruel.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 06:53 PM
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19. My cats never got out when I had them. My, you're an optimist, aren't you? nt
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 08:51 PM
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24. My but don't you have a hard-hearted attitude?
How can you be so casual about digital amputation of animals people profess to love? There's no justification on this for any excuse.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 10:05 PM
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9. Exactly.
Even more will never even attempt adoption of a cat because they "know" the animal will destroy their apt.

Also what about multi-cat families.

Our first adopted cat was already declawed (he was abandoned by his family) so when we got a second we had him declawed also. It is just downright cruel otherwise. They occasionally fight and if one had claws and the other didn't it would be brutal.

We are considering giving a third cat a home in December. If we lived in a city that banned declawing he/she would simply sit in a shelter.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 12:58 AM
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15. Consider the source that abandoned your first cat
Declawing is cruel. Period.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 12:50 AM
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13. Then they shouldn't have cats
I have 3 cats with claws. I have undamaged furniture and screens. I have 6 cat posts and assorted scratching implements. I have a squirt bottle. Declawing is not necessary for a cat lover who is willing to train their animals. Too bad if some people make money off of the procedure. It's cruel as hell! I applaud the towns and counties outlawing it!
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 07:18 PM
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23. Same thing happened with my mom's new cat
She went around my back and actually lied to me about where she was taking the cat on the day the operation was done. Guess she figured I wouldn't notice or something.
This situation was even worse perhaps worse than if it had been a kitten.. we rescued a cat who was about a year old and had already learned what life was like with his fingers.. then he lost 'em.

Felt bad arguing with my mother who I really don't get to see all too often.. but it really frustrated me that she failed to even consider my counter arguments.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:33 PM
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5. Thanks for passing this on. It ought to be a state-wide ban, tho
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:54 PM
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7. Really? YES REALLY!!!
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 01:26 AM
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10. *sigh*
Edited on Fri Nov-20-09 01:41 AM by hyphenate
Every time the issue of declawing cats comes up, it creates a battlefield of posters. I cringe when I see people talking about the pets they have declawed, or wonder why that more of them shouldn't be declawed, and I have to feel this general anxiety come over me as a result. The last time it came up, I politely told them the whole truth about declawing.

The first thing people should know is how painful the procedure is to an animal. Look at a human hand. On the four fingers of the hand, excluding the thumb, there are two joints, separating the three parts of each finger. Now imagine someone chopped off the upper third of each of your fingers. Yeah, you'd be fine for the time you got pain meds, but then after that, you'd be missing a large part of your fingers, and many things which were once easy for you are now impossible. That's what declawing does--it cuts off one large portion of the "finger" of every animal to whom the procedure is done.

Now think about their litter box. Most cats are fastidious creatures, making their best effort to bury their waste so that it doesn't smell. But suddenly, they realize they are trying doubly hard to cover their waste products, and it HURTS! It would be like you trying to dig a hole in beach sand without that top joint on your fingers!

Okay, another issue: indoor cats get out sometimes. And without their claws, they cannot defend themselves. They will DIE if a dog attacks them, or really any animal that is better equipped than they are.

Declawed cats might not be able to scratch the furniture, but on another level they know that they can't defend themselves with no claws. So they bite!! And as many of us who work with rescue groups and other volunteers know, it's harder to place a biter than one with their claws intact.

Last time I was able to find some of the more prominent animal websites and the continuing dialog on this issue. And I have done the same here:

http://www.americanhumane.org/protecting-animals/adoption-pet-care/behavior-training/scratching-furniture.html

http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/cats/facts/declawing.html

http://www.aspcabehavior.org/articles/25/Destructive-Scratching.aspx

http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/declaw.html


You can go to almost ANY respected animal website and you will see this information repeatedly, and with all those organizations so adamant about the procedure, it is hard to understand why anyone who loves animals would do such a horrible thing to an animal they profess they love. Love for a companion animal means that animals are LIFE long friends, and that means you have to be your pet's advocate. If you won't be, then who WILL be?

There are arguments people will post about why they want to declaw a pet, and a thousand reasons why they shouldn't. All these organizations will give counterpoints on the most shallow reasons people want to do it, and they're all logically, carefully thought out ones.

I have been involved with animals in one way or another all of my life. I have also seen and heard tragic and horrible things about many awful things. It is not for me, though, to try and convince someone who has already made the decision to declaw. Those people need to become far more aware of the facts before they have the procedure done.

When I was coming cross-country some years ago now, one of my beloved companions escaped from the van, and disappeared. I never saw him again, which made the rest of the trip almost completely unbearable. The one thing, though, was that he was about 16 lbs of pure muscle, and he was never declawed. Even though I had people searching for him, I knew it was almost next to impossible to find him, and I was convinced that he might have some sort of equal chance against an unknown predator. It didn't help my grief, but it was of some comfort to know that fact.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 11:51 AM
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11. I'm with you. It just doesn't make sense for people to get cats and then say
"My furniture matters more to me; it's either declaw the cat or let it be destroyed." Or who say that the only way cats will ever properly earn their rescue from certain death at an animal shelter is if they can keep the bargain with humans not to damage their furniture.

Cats are cats. They don't deserve to lose their claws for the sake of our convenience. We are not doing them any favors adopting them if that's the sacrifice they have to make.

If you want cats in your house, you need to do a combination of things:

1. Offer many alternatives to scratching things you really don't want scratched

2. Work to train your cats not to scratch what you don't want them to

3. Realize that regardless of this, your training is unlikely to be 100% effective and that some things you don't want scratched are likely to get a bit of scratching unless you completely close them off from cat access--and DON'T FREAK OUT ABOUT IT AS IF YOUR LIFE IS NO LONGER WORTH LIVING.

It's true that until more humans develop that mindset, many cats will lose their lives because they won't be adopted by selfish people who will adopt a cat only if its behavior is 100% impeccable. But then again, such people shouldn't really adopt pets anyway--cats, dogs or anything--because they don't really understand the adjustments necessary in life when one takes animals into one's home.

It's sad that we have more animals out there than we do people capable of giving them truly loving homes, but that's what we reaped from anthropomorphizing animals for so many years and assuming they all had to have sex in order to have happy, fulfilled lives--which resulted in the population explosion we have on our hands. It's our fault, for not wanting to spay and neuter them but at the same time not wanting to take responsibility for the offspring they have when we don't. Or for not being so crazy about said offspring once they stop being adorable kittens and puppies and start being cats and dogs.

Cats actually need their claws to be happy far more than they need to have sex to be happy. We need more spaying/neutering and less declawing.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 01:51 AM
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18. Thank you. nt
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 01:16 AM
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16. (((((hyphenate))))))
I can only imagine how you felt losing your loved one...

Thank you for your insight. I cannot believe anyone will defend this practice. My sister is lucky I won't disown her but I am really really angry at her...
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 04:29 PM
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12. This is good news!
Kestrel has explained the benefits of declawing in certain cases, and coming from a vet, I appreciate that, but I am against this practice.

I have a large exotic with huge feet/claws and have trained her to only scratch on her sisal-wrapped items. She doesn't even scratch on wicker much less any furniture. It just takes patience.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 07:06 PM
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21. I wish there was a way to permanently dull claws without declawing.
Sounds like something genetic engineers could look into. :evilgrin:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 07:08 PM
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22. Fantastic!
Edited on Sat Nov-21-09 07:08 PM by flvegan
Really no patience for cruelty advocates, either.
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