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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 05:42 PM
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Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out
By Gerald Traufetter

Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents.

At least the weather in Copenhagen is likely to be cooperating. The Danish Meteorological Institute predicts that temperatures in December, when the city will host the United Nations Climate Change Conference, will be one degree above the long-term average.


Otherwise, however, not much is happening with global warming at the moment. The Earth's average temperatures have stopped climbing since the beginning of the millennium, and it even looks as though global warming could come to a standstill this year.

Ironically, climate change appears to have stalled in the run-up to the upcoming world summit in the Danish capital, where thousands of politicians, bureaucrats, scientists, business leaders and environmental activists plan to negotiate a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. Billions of euros are at stake in the negotiations.

Reached a Plateau

The planet's temperature curve rose sharply for almost 30 years, as global temperatures increased by an average of 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.25 degrees Fahrenheit) from the 1970s to the late 1990s. "At present, however, the warming is taking a break," confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel. Latif, one of Germany's best-known climatologists, says that the temperature curve has reached a plateau. "There can be no argument about that," he says. "We have to face that fact."

Even though the temperature standstill probably has no effect on the long-term warming trend, it does raise doubts about the predictive value of climate models, and it is also a political issue. For months, climate change skeptics have been gloating over the findings on their Internet forums. This has prompted many a climatologist to treat the temperature data in public with a sense of shame, thereby damaging their own credibility.

"It cannot be denied that this is one of the hottest issues in the scientific community," says Jochem Marotzke, director of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg. "We don't really know why this stagnation is taking place at this point."

Just a few weeks ago, Britain's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research added more fuel to the fire with its latest calculations of global average temperatures. According to the Hadley figures, the world grew warmer by 0.07 degrees Celsius from 1999 to 2008 and not by the 0.2 degrees Celsius assumed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And, say the British experts, when their figure is adjusted for two naturally occurring climate phenomena, El Niño and La Niña, the resulting temperature trend is reduced to 0.0 degrees Celsius -- in other words, a standstill.

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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 05:45 PM
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1. It'll be just enough wiggle room...
...for the RW'ers to get us all killed.

Chasing little green pieces of paper tends to generate a lot of heat, waste and other ill effects.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 06:08 PM
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2. Inconvenient News.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:44 PM
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8. Your little one-liners are bizarre
Why do you post here?
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:15 PM
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3. There is no Warming Pause (OP is citing crap science)
The flat earthers and the global warming deniers are pushhing the concept of a pause in Global Warming. These claims are based on bad data and are crap http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/a-warming-pause/ There has been no pause in Global Warming and the same people who believe that the earth is flat are using bad data to make this claim.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:34 PM
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4. Nobody believes the earth is flat.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:48 PM
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9. and yet they do
funny, but they are hosted by Alaska net.

Flat Earth Society- deprogramming the masses since 1547

Argument Three - The impossibilities of holding unsecured objects in place on a curved surface
convinced me.......:rofl:

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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 03:43 PM
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11. I believe your brain is. nt
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:35 PM
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5. .
:rofl:

What a stupid premise. The warmest years on record are pretty much the last 10.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 12:32 PM
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10. According to the NOAA data
According to the analysis from the guys at Realclimate the hotest years have been in the last couple of years based on the NOAA data. There is another set of data that does not factor in temperatures from the artic regions that show much higher temperatures. The analysis from the experts at the Realclimate website (which is based on NASA and NOAA data) is clear that there has not been a pause in global warming.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:36 PM
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6. it isn't global WARMING. It's global volatility.
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billyclem Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:39 PM
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7. They all agree it is a temporary effect.
Read the article, they expect warming to continue with a jolt in the next few years. Climate is complex and to expect warming to continue on an unabated increase is not realistic. Too accuse some of the most respected scientific institutes of promulgating crap science or being global warming deniers for publishing something we might not like is also not realistic(the Hadley Center does not quite fit in here, they are in the second tier).

Differences in how data is used in the models, and which models are used will always produce differences in outcome. The Realclimate website, a very good one by the way, can afford to be less conservative(scientifically) than the institutes can since far less media attention will be focused there.

Also, do not confuse weather and climate, how hot it was somewhere has nothing to do with climate.
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