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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 04:52 PM Original message |
Obama is responsible for biggest middle class tax cut in history |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. Tax cuts? WHile schools close? City budgets are slashed? |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. How are school closures and slashed city budgets related to this middle class tax cut? |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. I hate "middle class tax cut" Democrats |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. "you PAY FOR IT with TAXES. Higher Taxes." That's simplistic |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. It's a feel-good tactic |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. That's your opinion. n/t |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I agree |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
47. Political and Economic nonsense |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 03:14 AM Response to Reply #47 |
90. sure they will but there are at least four problems |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 03:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
89. I hear you |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. Well, if the middle class has more money, perhaps they'll approve more money for schools |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Now you're upset because he helped people? The ARRA was more than tax cuts. Here: |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
30. Only if you think using a Republican meme about tax cuts is the way to govern. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
65. Republican meme? Bragging? |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Must I remind you that Bush had the biggest tax cuts for |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. Are schools affected by federal income taxes? And Cities? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. The stimulus package put big money into state and local governements |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
2. Not enough. Sorry. If he had increased the taxes for the rich by that amount, I might be impressed. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. + 1. n/t |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. The middle class who benefitted |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. +2 n/t |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. +1 nt |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. If he had, you still wouldn't be impressed. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. By bailing out the banks he did indeed screw all of us. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Right, because the banks failing would benefit us all tremendously. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. The US government could have bought the banks instead |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. So you're not impressed with the stimulus because Obama didn't nationalize the banks? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Obama rewarded the banks for gambling with their customers money |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Several big banks paid back the money and |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Breaking up the banks.. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Right, and people would still be attacking Obama for |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. It wasn't necessary to spend trillions or take ownership. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. "Yes, it would be expensive..." |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. Bailing out the banks saved us from a Great Depression |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. The same thing could have been accomplished in a variety of different ways |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. There was no alternative at that time - sorry |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. Complete nonsense. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
33. Agreed. 8% or whatever it is is less per individual and more of us make up, by far, the rich (link) |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. The Bush billionaire tax cuts expire next year and Obama has no intention of extending them |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. Thank Goodness we have |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
7. While your facts are all true it's not going to bring many enthusiastic voters out |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. You're right |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
10. Where is the money? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. "they are dragging their feet on extending the home buyers credit." Not so |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. good. where is the rest of the 85% of the money that hasn't been spent yet? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. They are not sitting on the money. |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. the banks didn't have to wait till 2010 for the "effects of the the stimulus to peak" |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Obama sucks for only spending $300 billion so far on Americans and bailing out the banks. |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. there is nothing saying we have to agree on this |
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Bonn1997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
12. If it doesn't help create jobs, no one will care. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. Agreed, wholly. No more hemorraging of our economy. When that happens, then we can say |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
37. TARP was not the only banking bailout. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. "You're practicing a bit of intellectual dishonesty" Nonsense |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Our losses thus far are over $100B, just on tarp. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. How much would our losses have been if |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Probably the same |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. "The banks have been effectively nationalized. " Nonsense. n/t |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Great come back |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. It was, and I should have also said: tell that to the people who wanted the banks nationalized. n/t |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. The FDIC is cleaning up a giant mess every Friday |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. The FDIC isn't using TARP funds. n/t |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Where did I say they were? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Why are you discussing the FDIC? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Talking to you about banking |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. "is like trying to explain things to a table." There you go again, |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. There really wasn't an argument |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. More like a lazy susan. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. You still haven't explained why |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. It's not worth having the argument with you. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. You pretend to know what you're talking about. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. and you put a happy spin on everything from bailouts to Stupak |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #75 |
87. What is your point, exactly? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. So? The FDIC is another example of a big bailout for the TBTF banks. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. "The FDIC is running out of money and will need to be bailed out." |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. If the FDIC seized every bank that was in trouble and not meeting their capital requirements |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #77 |
86. I'm no financial wizard, |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. This is like paying your car insurance premiums for 2010 in 2009 |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 03:06 AM Response to Reply #74 |
88. Actually, your link demonstrates the point I was making. |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
50. Why not just repeal Bush's tax cuts?????! |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. yes, wasn't that one of his campaign promises? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. They will expire next year |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #57 |
79. Agreed |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Happy New Year |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Sweet! |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. No the Health Care debate will be going on in the Senate till late December |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Dems can say that Repubs raised taxes by dragging out the healthcare debate |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. The fact is with the defict numbers at their current level |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I thought the Republican cure for all of our ills was tax cuts |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. They are going to expire |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
73. ProSense, I really appreciate your posts. They are an antidote to the wearying parade of gloom at DU |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. +1 "President Obama's gotten a lot done so far, and some of us can actually see that." |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
92. Nothing. But. Spin. |
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