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Miss Authoritiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:28 AM
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Assassination-themed bumpersticker

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FbaTT_Aky10/Sv_5ZmhNBwI/AAAAAAAAAXo/UNAM4ULKgoo/s400/PRAY+FOR+OBAMA.jpg

This seemingly innocent bumpersticker (available from CafePress) has been stirring up chatter on wingnut sites. Here’s the psalm in its entirety.

Here are the lines the wingnuts say they are joking about:

8 May his days be few;
may another take his place of leadership.


And here are the lines that immediately follow:

9 May his children be fatherless
and his wife a widow.



(via)






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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:29 AM
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1. Wow. People are f'n nuts.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:32 AM
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2. Much less obvious than the one
handed out at a local event headed up by Rush Limpballs some years ago right after Clinton was elected: "Lee Harvey Oswald. Where are you when we need you?"
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 12:23 PM
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7. Takes me back to an old Homer Henderson song...
Lee Harvey was a friend of mine
He used to take me fishin' all the time
He used to throw a ball to me when I was just a kid
They say he shot the President - I don't think he did
'Cause Lee Harvey was a friend of mine
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:44 AM
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3. There is just no end to the fucked-up shit in the bible
How this book has lasted 5000 years as a moral treatise is beyond me.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:57 AM
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6. The old testimate isn't a moral treatise, it's a historical account (from oral tradition)
It was meant to show the Jewish people both the glory and horror of the past.
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:59 PM
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29. It's neither.
It's Bronze Age mythology.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:10 AM
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49. Why are atheists so judgmental?
You don't know the truth of the afterlife - or even if there is one - any better than anyone else.

I swear, atheism is as judgmental as fundamental Christianity, Islam or Judaism.



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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:47 AM
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4. Has anyone contacted the Secret Service
That would be the prudent thing to do here.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 12:31 PM
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10. I hope so, but some of us are spreading the news all over Facebook
I reckon there's going to be a few agents making "discrete" inquiries into this...
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 06:17 PM
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22. To waste their and the caller's time? You take that as evidence the person is going to attempt
to commit a crime? Really?
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:38 PM
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23. The government needs to show it takes 18 USC § 871 seriously
I think it's important that our government shows that it takes 18 USC § 871. Threats against President and successors to the Presidency seriously. Those who violate the law even by something as stupid as making or showing a coded bumper sticker will be held to account for their deeds. And even for something that stupid it's not a waste of time to report it.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:45 PM
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26. There is no code. The verse is clear and it's not a threat.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:50 PM
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53. If you honestly think a bumper sticker is a matter for law enforcement then you are far more
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 08:51 PM by RB TexLa
ignorant than the person with the sticker could ever dream of becoming.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:56 AM
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5. pathetic
may he be rubber and they be glue. so there.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 12:29 PM
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9. May the sticker designer's left ear with and fall into his right pocket
Old Arab curse, I think. :evilgrin:
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Rectangle Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 12:28 PM
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8. Wow! that is SO Christian! So...Christ-like!
:sarcasm: :crazy:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:54 AM
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46. Psalms is Old Testament; Christ is New Testament.

The OT is all about the Old Covenant and mostly useful to Christians as Salvation History, prefiguring the events of the NT, although some Psalms are also beautiful poetry.

This particular Psalm prefigures the acts of Judas Iscariot and others against Judas; the imprecations are against Judas and his allies.

The bumper sticker is stupid but idiots can misuse anything. King David didn't write that Psalm for idiots to misuse.
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:05 AM
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47. JC fully endorsed god's old testament laws.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."

Matthew 5:17 NAB
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:08 AM
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48. But this Psalm is NOT OT law.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 12:33 PM
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11. 109:8 on its own is quite open-ended. 109:8-9 is a different story.
You know that's how they'll pawn it off as.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 10:04 PM
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56. I've written Zazzle and Cafepress expressing my disgust
Edited on Tue Nov-17-09 10:10 PM by sjdnb
I've read comments on this merch ... these folks are targeting the phrases:
8 May his days be few (life be short) in other translations;
may another take his place of leadership.

9 May his children be fatherless
and his wife a widow.

Evidentially, they figured no one else, especially a Democrat, would have read the Bible and understood their cynical message.

If anyone else would like to join me the links are

Store selling at Cafe Press http://www.cafepress.com/psalm109_8
Cafe Press email http://help.cafepress.com/hc/s-74058960/cmd/kbresource/kb-1431242992791767643/escalate!PAGETYPE?VisitorProfile=cafepress

Zazzle Store http://www.zazzle.com/pray_for_obama_psalm_109_8_bumper_sticker-128514965413670207
(A part of Megatude's Mother of All Anti-Obama Superstore)
eMail Zazzle
http://www.zazzle.com/mk/welcome/first/email
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 12:45 PM
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12. Dad sent me this as an e-mail this AM n/t
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 01:02 PM
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13. Wow, these people are f'd up
I think this country is going off the deep end. :crazy:
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 01:03 PM
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14. Read the entire Psalm for context. The quote is clearly out of context
Just proves the maxim that even the Devil can quote scripture
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 01:06 PM
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15. I was wondering about that...
I'm not touching this one.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:22 AM
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39. +1
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 01:06 PM
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16. Does the secret service know about this?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:49 PM
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28. I'm sure they are aware that many conservatives would like to see Obama out of office.
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 01:27 PM
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17. This interpretation is truly cracked
It's a long psalm, the first part could easily show Obama as being persecuted by the brainless, the middle cursing against his enemies, which is unlike Obama, who isn't the cursing type, and then goes back to the speaker appealing to God.

Surely this is Obama speaking --

1: "Hold not your tongue Oh God of my praise, for the mouth of the wicked, the mouth of the deceitful, is opened against me.
2: "They speak to me with a lying tongue; they encompass me with hateful words and fight against me without a cause.
3: "Despite my love, they accuse me; but as for me, I pray for them.
4: "They repay evil for good, and hatred for my love."

There follows a very long cursing section against all these wicked people, including line 8, cited in the sticker.

Then in line 28(speaking, of course, of the Republicans): "Let my accusers be clothed with disgrace and wrap themselves in their shame as in a cloak."

Which just goes to show you that we can argue any position by using the Bible, and such exercise is ultimately a futile task. For those who have trouble understanding irony, this is an ironic post.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 04:25 PM
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19. "...wrap themselves in their shame as in a cloak."
More likely that the Republicans will wrap themselves in our flag as in a cloak, much to our country's shame.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 01:29 PM
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18. More "Christian" hypocrisy. Since they are utter failures at the single commandment of the NT, Love,
they should be taxed for what they are BUSINESSES.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 04:48 PM
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20. You linked to the NIV, the KJV is the one you need to reference
as that is the fundie wingnuts' preferred form.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm%20109&version=KJV
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 05:35 PM
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21. And Jesus wept.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:34 PM
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24. I saw one
That said

"Re elect Biden in 2012"

It's obvious what the meaning is.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:40 PM
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25. I hope & pray that ANYONE sporting that bumper sticker gets their
tires slashed, their paint-job keyed, and sugar in their gas tank, for starters.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:47 PM
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27. Nothing like felony vandalism aimed at those you disagree with.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:47 AM
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30. Ya think I need to tone it down a decible or two?
I thought it was pretty reasonable.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:53 AM
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31. Then you won't complain when some teabagger does it to your car.
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 01:00 AM by Fire_Medic_Dave
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:55 AM
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32. doood. If I was advocating the assassination of the president,
I'd DESERVE to have it done to my car.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:03 AM
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34. Except that the bumper sticker doesn't advocate that either.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:27 AM
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44. Very often, I disagree with Fire Medic on issues like this, but
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 10:30 AM by Wednesdays
but I'm totally with him here. I've never been a fan of vigilantism.

You're free to make your own bumper sticker that says, "The people with the anti-Obama Psalm 109 bumper stickers are full of shit" or some such, but vandalizing their cars or other property is just begging for retaliation.

That's how wars get started.

And you won't win a single convert to your side by doing so--more likely you'd be doing the opposite since it will make them look like they're the victims.








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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:37 AM
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36. Wait, is wishing and praying the same as committing?
Because if it is most teabaggers into such prayers won't be using their car anyway.

If poster was slashing tires or anything I can see why you'd object
But pray? And it's him that offends you?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:04 AM
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38. That's all they are claiming to do in the bumper sticker so where is the problem?
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 07:28 AM
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42. I have committed over 2 million felonies and only been caught once
Arrest warrants go down to the minutes so every minute that you have an ounce of pot or more in Illinois you commit a felony. I have committed roughly 2 million felonies, and 2 million misdemeanors in my life before I left the USA. I only got caught once and was found innocent due to lack of evidence. If you put sugar in the tank do it where it is dark and you should be fine. A felony is only a felony if you get caught and convicted. Like I said I have committed millions of felonies and millions of misdemeanors and I find that the police usually do not catch you.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:12 PM
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54. Your felonies harmed no one.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:30 AM
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55. I should have put that it was sarcasm
But you stated the point I wanted to draw out between felonies and felonies.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:03 AM
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35. Is there a way to "alert" this?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:54 AM
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37. go to cafepress.com and click contact and write them a letter, you can right click the pic above &
copy the link location of the photo so they know which design it is.

This is not how Christ would have anyone who would claim to follow Him, behave. These people are the modern day Pharisees, and an affront to love of your fellow neighbor regardless of what they choose to believe, or not believe.

thanks for asking!
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:23 PM
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52. Done
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:25 AM
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40. I see that on a car they're not going to have a bumper for long.n/t
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:31 AM
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45. See my post #44 nt
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 07:22 AM
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41. they want his kids to be beggars
10 May his children be wandering beggars;
may they be driven from their ruined homes.

it goes in line with their voting Republican as the Republicans want the average slob's kids to be beggars too....
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:10 AM
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43. Yeah, really.
"For he never thought of doing a kindness,
but hounded to death the poor
and the needy and the brokenhearted."

Yup, they've got Obama down to a "T".

:eyes:

:sarcasm:

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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:10 AM
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50. I'm sure Jesus would be very
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 11:11 AM by femrap
proud. :sarcasm:

If I were Queen, I'd pull over everyone with that bumper sticker and have some fun scaring the hell out of them. No Fly List, registered terrorist, treason, etc.

But if people want to promote murder, I guess I shouldn't step on their right to free speech, right???

edited for spelling
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:23 PM
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51. Crazed fundamentalist rightos (but I repeat myself, twice) love their plausible deniability.
"Ooooh, no, it's not a threat." :eyes:
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