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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:07 PM
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Whose Team is it, anyway?
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 08:10 PM by debbierlus
You know what I don't want to hear right now about the Stupak-Pitts amendment banning abortion coverage from federally subsidized health insurance policies? That it's the price of reform, and prochoice women should shut up and take one for the team. "If you want to rebuild the American welfare state," Peter Beinart writes in the Daily Beast, "there is no alternative" than for Democrats to abandon "cultural" issues like gender and racial equality. Hey, Peter, Representative Stupak and your sixty-four Democratic supporters, Jim Wallis and other antichoice "progressive" Christians, men: why don't you take one for the team for a change and see how you like it?

For example, budget hawks in Congress say they'll vote against the bill because it's too expensive. Maybe you could win them over if you volunteered to cut out funding for male-exclusive stuff, like prostate cancer, Viagra, male infertility, vasectomies, growth-hormone shots for short little boys, long-term care for macho guys who won't wear motorcycle helmets and, I dunno, psychotherapy for pedophile priests. Men could always pay in advance for an insurance policy rider, as women are blithely told they can do if Stupak becomes part of the final bill.

President Obama, too, worries about the deficit. Maybe you could help him out by sacrificing your denomination's tax exemption. The Catholic Church would be a good place to start, and it wouldn't even be unfair, since the blatant politicking of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops on abortion violates the spirit of the ban on electoral meddling by tax-exempt religious institutions. Why should antichoicers be the only people who get to refuse to let their taxes support something they dislike? You don't want your tax dollars to pay, even in the most notional way, for women's abortion care, a legal medical procedure that one in three American women will have in her lifetime? I don't want to pay for your misogynist fairy tales and sour-old-man hierarchies.

Women Democrats have taken an awful lot of hits for the team lately. Many of us didn't vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary because the goal of electing a woman seemed less important than the goal of electing the best possible president. Only a self-hater or a featherhead didn't feel some pain about that. And although women are hardly alone in this, we've seen some pretty big hopes set aside in the first year of the Obama administration. The Paycheck Fairness Act, which would expand women's protections against sexism in the workplace, is on the back burner. Meanwhile, the Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships is not only alive and well; it's newly staffed with antichoicers like Alexia Kelley of Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, who, as Frances Kissling notes in Salon, has compared abortion to torture.

Much more here: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091130/pollitt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:08 PM
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1. I'm tired of being a political football. nt
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:23 PM
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2. The Stupakers should be told in no uncertain terms...
...that women's health programs, including funding for abortions, are a non-negotiable part of any health care bill. If they won't listen now, perhaps they will next election day...
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:56 PM
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7. This can't be allowed to stand
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:24 PM
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3. K&R nt
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:32 PM
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4. No.
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 08:32 PM by Starry Messenger
The gays already took one for the team. These people are just moving down the list of who they consider expendable. Women, now, next labor and then the poor, I'm guessing. Too bad no one never realizes how all these groups overlap. There're more of us then they think.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:39 PM
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11. Naw. Union members and blue collar types took two big hits in the Clinton admin
and I'm sure you know what they are.

They shouldn't have to take any more.

The poor have been taking it since time immemorial.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:47 PM
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5. It has seemed very clear for awhile that we are not considered part of the team.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:47 PM
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6. Its not only your country or mine - its all of ours and we are in it together like it or not
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:58 PM
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8. America is generally too conservative to elect honest people to high office...
...so we get corrupt liars who perpetrate frauds like Stupak-Pitts.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:17 PM
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10. America isn't that conservative - on issue after issue after issue

From single payer health care to decriminalization of marijuana to their beliefs in sound environmental and financial policiy - Americans lean LEFT.

The problem isn't that people aren't liberal. The problem is that we have an uneducated and disengaged population that doesn't know how to fight the status quo or have a real grasp of issues.

True democratic leaders could bridge this divide.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:04 AM
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17. The problem isn't only that we're undereducated and disengaged.
We don't even value education and engagement, by and large. Yes, it's a cultural thing--but it does make us cling to the right. It keeps us from being liberal.

We poll leftish, but repeatedly fall for the biggest, meanest swaggerers at election time.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:44 PM
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13. It's not the people
It's the corporate media telling us that the "majority" of people are regressive/conservative. And so everyone looks around thinking it must be everyone around them if it's not them, so they behave like it's true and don't talk about it. It's typical bandwagon-based propaganda. The media speaks as if any show of even moderate liberalism will create a regressive/conservative majority come next election season.

If you talk to people one on one, most of them aren't that conservative (with the usual exceptions). There are people on both sides of the aisle who see the real culprits of harm, but...well, it's hard to hit bankers, media, insurance, et al, so instead we snipe at everyone else who is just like us.

As far as the Criminalization of Abortion Lobby goes, criminalizing a medical procedure won't make it stop happening. They know this ,and the leadership should call them on it. No one really "wants" to have the procedure, the best way to prevent abortions is to have easily accessible contraception, and good prenatal care - we know this, we have the numbers to prove it.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:46 PM
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14. Absolutely correct
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:05 AM
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18. They do that because it *works*.
They know our weaknesses.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:00 PM
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9. And where were these muddleclass women when poor women were Stupaked?
Why is it so much more important now?

Wasn't THAT poor women taking one for the team?

Why is it so different?

And don't give me that crap about "it's their own money".

That is a red herring.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 02:25 AM
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16. Middle class women were raising hell.
Edited on Sun Nov-15-09 02:25 AM by JoeyT
They were told to STFU. Just like they are now.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:09 PM
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19. Oh really?
You must have been hearing more hell raising than the rest of us.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:52 PM
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12. K&R
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:51 PM
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15. K&R! Beautifully written! I'm going for more..
I agree. All this bending over backward to the hard right has got to stop somewhere. It is idiotic and wasteful and just to regressive to stand.

Defy the Christian Taliban.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:17 PM
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21. I agree.
I honestly cannot cast one more vote for any of them.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:14 PM
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20. K&R
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