"Men's Rights" Groups Have Become Frighteningly Effective

[ccharles000]

At the end of October, National Domestic Violence Awareness Month, members of the men’s movement group RADAR (Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting) gathered on the steps of Congress to lobby against what they say are the suppressed truths about domestic violence: that false allegations are rampant, that a feminist-run court system fraudulently separates innocent fathers from children, that battered women’s shelters are running a racket that funnels federal dollars to feminists, that domestic-violence laws give cover to cagey mail-order brides seeking Green Cards, and finally, that men are victims of an unrecognized epidemic of violence at the hands of abusive wives.

“It’s now reached the point,” reads a statement from RADAR, “that domestic violence laws represent the largest roll-back in Americans’ civil rights since the Jim Crow era!”

RADAR’s rhetoric may seem overblown, but lately the group and its many partners have been racking up very real accomplishments. In 2008, the organization claimed to have blocked passage of four federal domestic-violence bills, among them an expansion of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) to international scope and a grant to support lawyers in pro bono domestic-violence work. Members of this coalition have gotten themselves onto drafting committees for VAWA’s 2011 reauthorization. Local groups in West Virginia and California have also had important successes, criminalizing false claims of domestic violence in custody cases, and winning rulings that women-only shelters are discriminatory.

Groups like RADAR fall under the broader umbrella of the men’s rights movement, a loose coalition of anti-feminist groups. These men’s rights activists, or MRAs, have long been written off by domestic-violence advocates as a bombastic and fringe group of angry white men, and for good reason. Bernard Chapin, a popular men’s rights blogger, told me over e-mail that he will refer to me as “Feminist E,” since he never uses real names for feminists, who are wicked and who men “must verbally oppose … until our flesh oxidizes into dust.” In the United Kingdom, a father’s rights group scaled Buckingham Palace in superhero costumes. In Australia, they wore paramilitary uniforms and demonstrated outside the houses of female divorcees.

http://www.doublex.com/section/news-politics/mens-rights-groups-have-become-frighteningly-effective?page=0,0

[Taverner]

1. Yeah yeah yeah, NAMBLA tries to claim Jim Crow status as well...

[greennina]

2. Instead of the KKK...

can we call them the MMM?

[LostInAnomie]

3. Why do men's rights groups have to be labeled "anti feminist"?

Pointing out that fathers are at a disadvantage in custody hearings, that men are far more likely to be arrested and receive harsher sentences, and other legitimate issues isn't anti-feminist at all.

[cali]

4. These groups are disgusting. They lie.

and they sure as fuck are more than anti-feminist. They're misogynistic pieces of dog shit.

[cabluedem]

9. Wow! That all-in-one label fits all men, eh? nt

[LostInAnomie]

10. How is pointing out that men are at a disadvantage in a lot of circumstances (especially legal)...

... anti-feminist?

If women are disproportionately given parental custody, if domestic violence against men is dramatically under-reported, if unsupported claims of domestic violence is being used as a weapon in divorce proceedings, if police are mandated to make arrests (even without evidence) in domestic violence cases and the arrests are disproportionately men, etc. Then men's groups have a right to be outraged and seek legal redress.

[cali]

13. That is NOT what the groups mentioned do.

And sorry, but the number of men abused and killed by women pales by comparison to the number of women abused and killed by men. Nor do police make arrests without evidence of men. That men are arrested "disproportionately" is because men are largely the perpetrators of violence against their partners. Oh, no I don't buy that men are hugely discriminated against in custody battles. It used to be that way. Things have changed.

You views are absolutely vile and based on misogyny and lies.

[tonysam]

21. Murderer Darren Mack was one such poster boy

for the "men's rights" groups. Of course he killed his wife and shot a judge rather than pay a penny more in support for her.

He's rotting in Ely State Prison, thank God.

[LostInAnomie]

28. there you go throwing the "M" word around again...

... even though I haven't said anything against women.

Just because the number "pales by comparison" doesn't mean it isn't a legitimate issue.
Yes, police do make arrests without evidence of actual abuse. A lot of the time they do it just to remove the man from the house and deescalate the conflict, and the charges are later dropped. But, it still intrusive on people's rights.
Just because you don't believe that women are given preference in custody battles doesn't mean it isn't true. A cursory google search could tell you that.

Wanting men's issues to be addressed in no way is misogynous. Wanting something done about or higher suicide rates, shorter life spans, higher rates of incarceration, etc., is no different than women wanting their lower wages, reproductive rights, and other causes addressed.

[cali]

31. you provide exactly zero evidence for your claims, dearie.

And the issue of women being brutalized by their partners is an epidemic. That simply isn't true the other way around. It's a minor problem in the social fabric. You are a misogynist that much is clear.

You whiny priviliged guys just make me fucking ill.

[LostInAnomie]

35. Well, I'm glad you are the one that gets to pick and choose what are major and minor problems.

That will save a lot of time. Now, all the men with abusive spouses can be told that they're not an issue that deserves study, time, or resources. Thank God, we have a level headed arbiter such as you. :eyes:

As for the not providing evidence, just do a simple search and you'll find all you need. Some studies go as high as 92% of judgments being in favor of women. But, I guess that's not an issue either.

It's always fun when gender issue threads come up. Some people think that throwing the words "misogyny", "sexist", and "privileged men" around counts as an coherent argument.

[cynatnite]

37. It's high because women do majority of the childcare and most men do not...

That's just a fact of life.

[LostInAnomie]

41. So men aren't capable of being as good of a parent...

... or providing equally satisfactory child care as women?

We shouldn't fall back into worn out stereotypes just because they are convenient. Men are just as capable of being good parents and providing necessary child care as women. Courts should give preferential treatments just because of preconceived notions.

[cynatnite]

44. Oh, for shit's sake...I never said that...

:eyes:

Men are capable and despite that, they still do NOT do majority of childcare.

[LostInAnomie]

46. Since you admit that men are capable...

... then there shouldn't be any basis for you to believe that women should get preferential judgments. Since the law isn't supposed to subscribe to stereotypes or outdated thinking based upon gender, it should be a 50/50 proposition.

[Le Taz Hot]

80. Why yes,

because ALL mothers are AUTOMATICALLY better parents. Right? Lot of man-haters come out of the woodwork on this issue.

[cynatnite]

14. The women who have died at the hands of abusers they didn't arrest is why it's mandatory. n/t

[LostInAnomie]

24. So unwarrented arrests and convictions of innocent men is something we should just accept...

... as long as the rest of them are guilty? That's why mandatory arrests are a bad idea. All that has to happen is an accusation and an innocent person's life can be ruined.

[cynatnite]

26. When they see signs of physical abuse, that is when arrests are made...

If they see it on the woman, the man is arrested. If they see it on the man, the woman is arrested. If it's on both, they will arrest both of them. Usually that's how it works. I've seen women arrested for domestic violence.

Mandatory arrests are NOT a bad idea.

[Name removed]

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[Yupster]

32. One of the things fueling this movement is

that our laws have not yet entered the DNA era.

DNA tests are showing that about 1 in 10 children are not fathered by who the mother said they are fathered by.

In the old days a husband may have always had a suspicion that one of the four kids didn't look at all like the other three. But there wasn't anything he could do about it.

Now, the husband can prove the child isn't his.

Unfortunately the law still requires the husband to be the legal father of the child and pay child support for him/her even if the pair are divorced and even if the divorce is because of the wife's cheating.

There was a case near me about 5- 10 years ago that ended up on Dateline or one of those 60 Minutes clone shows.

A couple divorced because the wife had an affair. The wife went to live with the guy she had an affair with and the three kids went with her with the husband paying child support. The wife told him she had been having the affair with her lover throughout their marriage and she thought the kids were not the husband's. He had DNA testing done and it turned out two of the three kids were not his but were the guy's his wife was having the affair with. The guy went to court to get his child support payments ended for the two kids.

The court ruled that since he had a good job and the bio dad was unemployed, it was in the best interests of the children to have the cuckolded husband continue to pay child support for all three children. He was to send the checks to his ex-wife and the real bio dad.

He refused and had his paycheck garnished.

He quit his job, refused to pay, was arrested and imprisoned as a deadbeat dad.

Some states have started to change these laws. Now that there's DNA testing, men are no longer willing to accept the laws that are so unfair to them. Call these men whatever you want, but they're not going to take these kind of sexist laws anymore now that they can know for sure.

[cynatnite]

34. So, 10% of children are not fathered by who the mothers say and you call the laws sexist?

:rofl:

Oh, the poor men!

:rofl:

[LostInAnomie]

38. 1 in 10 is 10%

Yeah, that seems like a pretty big issue to me.

[cynatnite]

40. Sorry, I forgot the zero, so I guess you can keep thinking you have a reason to feel oppressed. n/t

[LostInAnomie]

42. If 10% of men are being made to support children that are not their own...

... that seems pretty legitimate to me. I can't get over how many women in this thread feel that since something happens to men we shouldn't care and it doesn't need to be addressed.

Sexism indeed.

[cynatnite]

45. I never said it wasn't legitimate...it sure as hell isn't saying that it's sexism either...

Explain to me how this is sexist. Please, tell me how women hate men so much that they will accuse them of not fathering their child because they're men. I really want to know.

[LostInAnomie]

48. It's not the women, it's the law.

There have been numerous cases where men have been found to not be the biological father of a child after they had been led to believe they were, and they were forced to pay child support payments because their name was on the birth certificate. A few years ago, there was a case where a man was ordered to pay and went to jail when he refused. It cost him thousands of dollars to finally correct the problem. If the law unfairly targets men it should be addressed, and it is a legitimate issue.

Not everything is a man vs woman conflict. Sometimes men's issues are just against an unfair system.

[cynatnite]

43. Domestic Homicide statistics...

On average, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends in this country every day. In 2000, 1,247 women were killed by an intimate partner. The same year, 440 men were killed by an intimate partner.
• Women are much more likely than men to be killed by an intimate partner. In 2000, intimate partner homicides accounted for 33.5 percent of the murders of women and less than four percent of the murders of men.17
• Pregnant and recently pregnant women are more likely to be victims of homicide than to die of any other cause, and evidence exists that a significant proportion of all female homicide victims are killed by their intimate partners.
• Research suggests that injury related deaths, including homicide and suicide, account for approximately one-third of all maternal mortality cases, while medical reasons make up the rest. But, homicide is the leading cause of death overall for pregnant women, followed by cancer, acute and chronic respiratory conditions, motor vehicle collisions and drug overdose, peripartum and postpartum cardiomyopthy, and suicide.

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art45047.asp

Listen, I'm not saying men don't get abused. I've witnessed women arrested for abuse of their partners, but NO ONE can ignore the overwhelming statistics that proves without a doubt that the abuse of women by their boyfriends, partners, and husbands is a very real problem. Women continue to die on a daily basis because of domestic violence.

You wouldn't be catching as much hell as you are right now if you'd accept the fact that this is a very one-sided issue for a reason. Men abuse and kill women far more than women abuse and kill men.

[LostInAnomie]

55. Just because an issue only effects a small proportion of people...

... doesn't mean that is shouldn't be addressed. Some sources say that 40 out of 100 domestic violence cases are violence against men, but who knows the real numbers because men under report it. This is a real problem, and just because it hasn't reached the epidemic numbers that it has for women doesn't mean it that we should just throw up our hands and ignore it.

If men's groups form to push to have it addressed it doesn't mean that they are misogynistic or trying to delegitimize domestic violence against women. They are just trying to help people that need help.

[lumberjack_jeff]

70. Ignoring one half of the cycle of violence does the cause a disservice.

Studies have shown that the violence is about equally initiated by women as men. Arguably, violence escalates to injury because our society tolerates non-injury abuse.

http://news.ufl.edu/2006/07/13/women-attackers/

There are dozens of studies which show the same thing.

[AngryAmish]

77. For the millionth time, the pregnant women and murder connection is an Urban Myth

It is complete, ascientific nonsense. It is based on one study, in Maryland IIRC, and pregnant women were considered pregnant for like a year after the baby was born. Motor vehicle accidents, birth process itself is much more likely to kill a woman. And a pregnant woman is much less likely to die than a non-pregnant woman because, well, they are pregnant and are not out at all hours.

[H2O Man]

62. While some may be, many

are not.

[Last Stand]

68. Your post says more about you than its subject.

When you so angrily dismiss without qualification all of these mens' rights groups, you make a great example of Feminism being a great cover for Man-Hating. Next time, try to be a little more subtle. You do the fair-minded Feminists and their cause a great injustice.

There are some very reasonable objectives for groups advocating for fathers and men in domestic violence situations.

[greennina]

5. Look at the mess men have made of this world!

After tens of thousands of years in control, it's finally time that things are made more equivalent.

[LostInAnomie]

6. Collective guilt is an idiotic concept.

It's also sexist as hell.

[cabluedem]

8. Women gave us Prohibition. Yeah, that worked out well...not! nt

[Confusious]

59. It's time for men to be unfairly targeted?

And that makes you better then men how?

[NYC_SKP]

7. Or, How do Anti-Feminist Groups get away with calling themselves "Men's Rights Groups"?

I agree with you.

[JerseygirlCT]

39. Shouldn't be, but apparently that's the way these groups

view themselves.

That's pretty much what I was thinking, too, as I read that. I'm sure there are situations in which a man in unfairly disadvantaged in custody hearings, for example.

But when they start on "feminists"... ok, you've lost me entirely guys.

[Le Taz Hot]

79. I agree with you.

And no one on this board or anywhere else for that matter can challenge my feminist credentials.

[Taverner]

81. There is a difference between "Men's Rights Groups" and "Men's Group"

And the "Men's movement" as a whole

[Odin2005]

11. Ugh, these people are disgusting.

[mule_train]

12. when will people understand that white males dont deserve rights? nt

[cali]

15. wtf? who are you people? You don't fucking belong here with that stupid ugly shit

white males are the most privileged members of this society by virtually EVERY measure.

[Arugula Latte]

19. Oh, piss off. This isn't about anyone not deserving rights

it's about the most powerful abusing and exploiting other groups and then playing the victim card.

[treestar]

16. Justice is always hard in these situations

Both sides are always convinced that the judge, regardless of gender, favors the other. It can be very emotional.

[cynatnite]

17. I ran from my exhusband in the middle of the night and a judge REFUSED...

to give me a restraining order. Despite the evidence of abuse, the judge said he would not help me because I would be sleeping with my bastard of an exhusband that night. This was a POS male who threatened to kill me and our daughter. He was stalking me.

My dad loaded his shotgun and stayed up almost every night until we finally got a restraining order. Then my exhusband finally was jailed when he violated it.

[treestar]

27. What an awful situation

Where I live the court would have granted that order right off - looks like you are in red TN - could that be a factor?

[cynatnite]

30. It was Oklahoma at the time and I agree it was a factor. n/t

[Kievan Rus]

18. MRA groups = Ku Klux Klan, racist skin heads

[lumberjack_jeff]

67. Really? You gonna provide anything to back that up? n/t

[nemo137]

20. Did the people unreccing this bother to read the article?

Or is it just kneejerking?

[Taitertots]

22. Why do all these groups have to act so crazy?

Can't there be a group that stands for fairness in divorces and fairness in child custody that doesn't act crazy.

[nemo137]

23. Because these groups aren't about fairness.

They're about control.

[freeplessinseattle]

33. bingo. that's exactly what it is.

having worked in shelters it especially infuriates and disgusts me that these abusers are trying to enact even more barriers to leaving and surviving, as if it isn't difficult enough as it is!

They always play the victim, even when they are clearly the perpetrator: if she wouldn't push his buttons he wouldn't have lost his temper and dignity, now look what she made him do. and if she leaves...she knows what will happen, it will "hurt" him so much it will make him "lose his mind" (again, not taking responsibility).

I'm sure there are some falsely reported cases, but I would bet my left foot is statistically quite small, and the real life or death situations these groups affect will have a far greater reach.

[Happyhippychick]

36. Therapist in a women's shelter here. Agree 100% with you.

[Odin2005]

63. I volunteer at a rape and abuse crisis center and I agree, it's disgusting!

[FLAprogressive]

29. these type of "men's rights groups" seem like those corporate front groups

who claim to be consumer advocates but actually aren't.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

47. I saw a cable access program by a men's rights group

Basically, they were mad because their wives had dumped them and they wanted to punish them by taking full custody of the children. They wanted to go back to the nineteenth century where the father automatically got custody and didn't even have to grant the mother visitation rights.

They even said that Japan had the right idea, that custody there always went to the father and the mother had to stay away. (That happens to be untrue. Custody usually goes to the mother, or, in a mixed nationality marriage, to the Japanese parent, whether it's the mother or the father.)

Nasty bunch. No wonder their wives dumped them. I wouldn't even have dated one of those anger junkies.

[AllieB]

54. While I know that some men have been screwed by the system

your characterization is apt. These men need therapy, not custody of children.

[Arkana]

49. WE DEMAND THE RIGHT TO SMACK WOMEN AROUND

AND TREAT THEM LIKE SLAVES!

[smirkymonkey]

83. Yeah, those B**ches deserve it!!

:sarcasm:

[tekisui]

50. And, people think a men's group is necessary on DU.

This is what men's groups become.

[lumberjack_jeff]

66. Pop quiz: Which demographic is most likely to be the victim of a violent crime?

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/vsx2.htm



It clearly is necessary. You are exhibit #1.

[apples and oranges]

51. Every 37.8 seconds, somewhere in America a man is battered

http://www.batteredmen.com/gjdvdata.htm

[AllieB]

52. And what are the stats for women and children?

I smell a sockpuppet...

[LostInAnomie]

56. Why should it matter?

Isn't that stat enough to say it's a legitimate concern?

Why does everything have to break down into a men vs women stat fight?

[AllieB]

58. Of course it's legitimate. No one should be abused.

The problem is most of these stat arguments are used by the men's movement to negate the larger issue of domestic violence against women. And, to be fair, that is way more common.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

53. Frighteningly effective at what, per se?

[Hello_Kitty]

60. Making the world safer for rapists, domestic abusers, and those who defend them. eom

[Tim01]

57. "Frighteningly Effective" BWA HAHA! Nothing hysterical about that. HA! nt

[BobTheSubgenius]

61. I KNOW!

Being a Caucasian male at this - or any other - point in history is SUCH a tough row to hoe. Believe me, I know. I've lived the horror of better opportunities and skewed income potential my whole life.

This shit is beyond embarrassing.

[paulsby]

64. i'll agree with them on a few points

1) domestic violence cases have a very high false reporting %age. why? because there is a nexus between victim and suspect, such that the victim (alleged) can get back at the suspect and/or benefit from the allegation (custody, gets to stay in the house while the husband gets prohibited via restraining order). in many other crimes that have a high%age of false reports, there is no suspect. e.g. burglary that is reported falsely for insurance gains

2) it is probably true that a significant %age (And one study we looked at from canada, claimed a majority) of domestic violence is woman on man. heck, i've been the victim of that a few times. most guys would NEVER call police if their gf/wife slapped them, for instance. so, these crimes ARe underreported.

but... (*and this is a big but)...

in the cases of "serious" domestic violence e.g assaults that result in injuries of any significance, men are the perpetrators the vast majority of the time. that's just reality.

i have yet to respond to a male beaten within an inch of his life by a woman. in 20 yrs of police work. i have responded to several women, who have had that done to them.

when it comes to garden variety stuff (slapping, pushing), sure women are often (if not usually) the offenders, and are rarely prosecuted.

when it comes to serious stuff, it's almost always men. (phil hartman's wife aside)

[lumberjack_jeff]

73. It is undeniable that when domestic abuse escalates to severe injury...

... it is usually the woman who gets the worst of it.

But out system of justice does a poor job of intervening before it gets to that point, mostly because we are in collective denial about the true cycle of violence.

[paulsby]

74. i think we do a pretty good job, actually

the laws, especially under VAWA are essentially written to take almost all officer discretion out of the situation as far as mandatory arrest AND ensure that a complete investigation is undertaken, and tells officers that when in doubt- arrest.

heck, in my state, there is only ONE crime that i have "good faith immunity" for false arrests on

ONE

guess what it is: Domestic violence

i cannot be sued if i make an arrest in good faith. this is true of NO other crime.

furthermore, we have DV advocates in the court system. we don't have burglary victim advocates or robbery advocates.

we also have a system of civil process that makes it quick and painless to get a protective order, and for better or worse, the standard of evidence is low.

the problem is that most dv's happen without any witnesses, and in many cases, with reluctant victims. unless we want to impose a surveillance society into people's homes, that's a reality that has to be dealt with. and the lack of witnesses necessarily makes it more difficult to prove a crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

so, considering the dynamics OF domestic violence, i think our system does a damn good job

[FLAprogressive]

76. well thought out post and I don't disagree with a single thing you wrote.

[Touchdown]

65. That's a man's group? I thought men's groups go into the woods and bang drums.

:shrug:

[YoungAndOutraged]

69. Someone explain to me

I'm a homosexual male. I'm not violent. I don't like violent people, or mean people. I don't like men who think women exist only for sex and food, and I don't like women who tell me I don't have a say because I don't understand what a struggle is.

But then I get confused. It goes like this:

A straight man beats/abuses his straight female partner: The man deserves punishment and the woman should get any support she needs, physical and mental. This is reasonable and the right thing to do.

A gay man beats/abuses his gay male partner: The man who did the beating/abusing deserves punishment and the man who was beaten/abused should get any support he needs, physical and mental. This is reasonable and the right thing to do. (Some people, especially straight people, will argue that this doesn't happen, or if it does, that it isn't as important as the scenario above.)

A lesbian beats/abuses her lesbian partner: The woman who did the beating/abusing deserves punishment and the woman who was beaten/abused should get any support she needs, physical and mental. This is reasonable and the right thing to do. (Some people, especially straight people, will argue that this doesn't happen, or if it does, that it isn't as important as the straight scenario above.)

A straight woman beats/abuses her straight male partner: Well, we don't talk about that. What is this guy, a pussy? What a loser. We don't want to hear that crap. In the very unlikely event that the man was actually severely injured, maybe he can get some help with his medical bills, but punishment for the woman would be sexist. Don't even mention emotional support, since real men are warriors who love violence anyway, so why in the hell would he feel bad about it? He probably enjoyed it anyway, as part of some weird BDSM fetish or something. He should be a man and take it, and if he has a son, he should tell his son to also be a man and take it if it were to ever happen to him one day. That way, the son'll grow up to be just like Dad, holding in his emotions like a real man is supposed to do.

This is the standard view here. I agree with the first three, but not the last one. I think it should go: A straight woman beats/abuses her straight male partner: The woman deserves punishment and the man should get any support he needs, physical and mental.

Is that not reasonable, or the right thing? If not, why not?

One thing I know for certain: I will be accused of supporting rapists, called a misogynist, and yelled at for saying "pussy" waaaaaay before someone even attempts to see things from my point of view.

[lumberjack_jeff]

72. +1 n/t

[vadawg]

75. I don't like men who think women exist only for sex and food

this line from your post for me wins every award out there, i just cant get by the having sex then cannabilism thing going on...

[Happyhippychick]

78. How would you feel if heterosexual men began a group claiming that their rights are infringed by

homosexual males? Are there anecdotal instances where heterosexual men have been beaten and terrorized by gay men? Sure, that's possibly true. But on the whole the power in society sits squarely with heterosexual men and for them to start legitimizing the creation of homophobic mens' organizations (which is what these MR groups are, anti-feminist societies) would feel quite threatening to you.

[lumberjack_jeff]

71. Here's a good article from the person the author slandered and misrepresented.

http://glennsacks.com/blog//?p=4359

Two major online publications--Salon.com and Slate.com--recently did articles about the men's and fathers movement. The articles discuss various aspects and actors in the movement, and also quote and misquote me. This series of posts will comment on the articles and also straighten out certain misrepresentations.

Kathryn Joyce of Slate.com is a feminist writer who has written much about what she calls the "Christian patriarchy" movement. She told me she was doing a story about George Sodini, who she (accurately) describes as "the Pittsburgh man who opened fire on a gym full of exercising women this August, killing three and leaving behind an online diatribe journaling his sense of rejection by millions of desirable women."

I knew from the beginning that Joyce would try to somehow wrap Sodini around the men's and fathers' movement, and I was very hesitant to be interviewed. I consented, for two reasons:

1) I still nurture the dream that someday feminists and fatherhood activists can understand each other and work together.

2) I hoped that maybe I could get her to understand the absurdity of her premise, and to understand that our movement is based on legitimate grievances.

[BreweryYardRat]

82. Thanks. That's helpful.

I still see a few points I disagree with this guy on, but he's a lot less of a "he-man woman hater" than the Slate/Salon articles are painting him as.

The COMMENTS to his articles, on the other hand...lot of chest-beating pinheads coming out of the woodwork there.

[KansDem]

84. I've wonder what would have happened if Susan Smith had been a male...

If a young father strapped his two toddlers in a car and drove it into a lake in order to "make room" for a romance. I wonder if he, in South Carolina (ranked no. 8 in US for executions), would have gotten "life in prison."

I wonder how the jury of 9 men and 3 women (Smith's jury) would have voted...