The Abortion Deal (This really infuriates me)

[cali]

ovember 07, 2009
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* House

The abortion deal

Abortion opponents won a huge last-minute concession late Friday night after Democratic leaders agreed to grant them a vote on an amendment that would effectively bar insurers that participate in the exchanges from offering coverage for abortions.

Members of the Rules Committee approved a vote on the amendment early Saturday morning after hours of negotiations in Speaker Nancy Pelosi's Capitol office, so the full House will get a chance to vote on it when the broader health care bill comes to the floor.

Leaders reluctantly made the decision after working for days to broker a truce that would garner a blessing from the Conference of Catholic Bishops. But the church, according to members and aides, wouldn't accept a compromise crafted by Indiana Rep. Brad Ellsworth that would have established a body to make sure private insurance companies don't use federal funds to pay for abortions.

The move came as something of a surprise, but aides predicted it would be enough to break a deadlock that has paralyzed leaders for days as they scrambled to build the 218 votes they need for the health care bill, as well as a procedural measure to green light its consideration.

The Rules Committee is expected to give Michigan Rep. Bart Stupak a floor vote on his amendment to prohibit private insurers from using federal funds to pay for abortion or allowing companies that participate in the exchange from offering coverage through those plans. Given the strength of the anti-abortion vote in the House, the amendment should pass when it comes to the floor and will therefore become part of the broader bill.
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And get this:

"But a critical bloc of Democrats wouldn't sign on to the plan unless the Conference of Catholic Bishops could endorse if. Therefore, party leaders once again bowed to political pressure from their own rank-and-file to make a concession they didn't want to."


I've had it with this for shit legislation.

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1109/The_abortion_deal.html

[cap]

1. where's the free choice version of this?

critical bloc of Democrats wouldn't sign on to the plan unless the Conference of Catholic Bishops could endorse if. Therefore, party leaders once again bowed to political pressure from their own rank-and-file to make a concession they didn't want to."

[Are_grits_groceries]

2. WTF?

Since when are Catholic Bishops allowed to make policy? Separation of church and state comes to mind.

Hell needs to be raised about this, and literally at this point. I'm going outside to burn some appropriate plants and put a spell on some people. We in SC have knowledge of such things.

[cali]

3. Absolfuckinglutley hell needs to be raised.

about this.

[Are_grits_groceries]

4. They had better be very careful.

Even if evangelical Protestants agree with the Catholic Church's position on abortion, they aren't enamored of that faith. It goes both ways.

I'm not sure how happy some people will be with them using the Conference of Catholic Bishops as the governing body of anything.

The Difference between Roman Catholics and Evangelical Protestants
http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2007/07/03/difference-between-roman-catholics-and/

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH CONDEMNS PROTESTANT EVANGELICALS—EVEN RICK WARREN
http://apprising.org/2009/02/the-roman-catholic-church-condemns-protestant-evangelicals/

[mmonk]

5. I believe the Bishops look at it from the standpoint

that their hospitals will somehow be made to have to provide abortions as part of their neonatal care. It's an illusion, but one they fear.

[cali]

9. I don't think you read this very carefully and I think you are wrong

They want abortion outlawed everywhere, the disgusting fuckwads.

[mmonk]

10. I don't think I read anything wrong. Sure they want abortion

banned in the US. Their feeling on the bill is that health insurance reform will "force" them into providing abortions because they have always had that irrational fear. Since some of their funding comes from government sources, they fear the strings attached.

[Guilded Lilly]

6. Conference of...Catholic Bishops....

shaking my head.

again and again.

Misogynists Extraordinaire. Not surprised. But thoroughly disgusted. I've become belligerently resigned to the fact that women will forever be treated as pawns of a patriarch based society no matter what kind of lip service is offered to support equality of the sexes. I have even stopped wanting to bash the TV in when Viagra and enhancement commercials are played with so much (wink wink) preciousness. ( I should insert here that I am all FOR the differences and attractions between women and men!)

But keep religious conferences OUT of state affairs. Especially when their often lopsided, hypocritical, puritanical interference could threaten the health and welfare of hundreds of thousands of men, women and children.

And keep ANYONE out of the business of women taking control of their own bodies.

[joeycola]

8. They are a happy little clan of men now...

they won!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/11/democrats_to_resolve_abortion.html?hpid=topnews




...........:puke: :puke:

[joeycola]

7. Women's health care is expendable-simple as that!! .....

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/11/democrats_to_resolve_abortion.html?hpid=topnews


..........Under the agreement, anti-abortion Democrats will be permitted to offer an amendment on the House floor to the health-care overhaul bill. The amendment would prohibit a new government-run insurance plan created by the health-care bill from offering to cover abortion services, congressional sources said. It would also block people who received federal subsidies for the purchase of health insurance from buying policies that offered coverage for abortions.

The deal clears the way for the dozens of Democratic lawmakers who oppose abortion to lend their support to the health care package, the most dramatic expansion of health coverage in more than 40 years. It also satisfies the demands of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which had threatened to oppose the House bill.

If the amendment from Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) passes, said Richard Doerflinger, associate director of the bishops conference, "we become enthusiastic advocates for moving forward with health care reform."

The amendment is expected to pass with the combined support of more than 40 anti-abortion Democrats and virtually every House Republican. That likelihood meant that leaders of the much larger group of Democrats who support abortion rights were not happy to learn of the deal.

"There will be no abortion, not just with public funds, but with private funds under the public option, and that's not acceptable," said Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.). ...........

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Nikki Stone1]

11. This isn't the change I voted for.

:grr:

[Ruby the Liberal]

12. Single payer, state's option -- not up for consideration

because Pelosi didn't want other amendments to hit the floor if she allowed those.

:/

[madrchsod]

13. they want the mother to die ....

so the baby will live but the baby will not have not have a mother. a mother will have to wait till the baby is dead before they can abort...oh wait a minute they can`t do that. so the mother will have to carry a dead baby until it is naturally born.

what a wicked game they play with women`s lives. knowing all to well that the hyde amendment will never be overturned and most if not all private insurance companies do not pay for elective abortions.

[boston bean]

14. bush faith based initiaves have increased under obama, google it.....

[Brickbat]

15. Women are always expendable. Always. And it goes to show how beholden the right is to anti-

choicers. If they're that willing to "give up" so many things for an abortion compromise, it seems to me a lot more could be getting down without tossing women off the boat.

[Warpy]

16. Someone needs to introduce a bill denying those

sanctimonious old bastards their limp dick drugs.

If we can't have adequate coverage for the results of their randiness, they need to be deprived of the means to injure us.

Every antiabortion measure needs to be tied to an anti impotence drug measure.

[Are_grits_groceries]

17. Don't forget that

there is a provision that will pay for Christian Science healers if I'm not mistaken.

This is discrimination among other things. I belong to the Church of Grits & Shrimp, and I demand to be consulted.

[spanone]

18. do the fucking democrats have a platform or not...goddammit

[cali]

19. not. and this is just too despicable. no vote for single payer and now this.

[Are_grits_groceries]

20. Oh, they have a platform.

However, standing on it appears to be optional.

[spanone]

22. i really don't think they do. a real platform would not allow the existence of the blue dogs.

they would have to go elsewhere.

[Are_grits_groceries]

23. I think they built an annex just for them. nt

[dysfunctional press]

21. there's not enough lipstick in the world for this pig of a bill...

it just keeps on getting uglier and uglier.

[cali]

24. shudderingly bad. I want to see it in flames today.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

25. Women's suffering doesn't matter

really sick of this shit