I know several Muslim psychiatrists

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

My husband is one; my best friend is another. My husband does research 4 days a week and spends the other workday (which happened to be yesterday) at the VA. He always comes home depressed on Thursdays after seeing so many vets with traumatic brain injuries, PTSD, etc. I am NOT condoning what Hasan did yesterday - I strongly condemn it. I can see how he would resent being deployed to a Muslim country and witness the killing of Muslims. That does not mean his actions yesterday were right.

I hate gun violence. I hate war, especially unnecessary wars into which our country was LIED.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. My dear DTBK...

I hear you, and I understand...

And I agree...

K&R

:hug:

[Thickasabrick]

2. K&R

[malaise]

3. I'm sending this

:grouphug:

[AspenRose]

4. It's difficult to be in that profession and not have it affect you

That's one of my biggest fears, being a social work student; bringing "baggage" home with me.

I hope your husband is taking care of himself and has implemented healthy self-care habits....and has someone to talk to when he needs to decompress.

Here's hoping the madness of war ends, soon. There are many affected off the battlefield, too.

:hug: to you

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. Any therapist who does not have a therapist is a time bomb.

Everybody needs somebody to tell them when their thinking is going off track, because even if you are trained for it you won't necessarily see it in yourself.

[AspenRose]

8. That's right.

Therapists are only human. To paraphrase something said here today, the healers need healing, too.

[Barack_America]

6. Absolutely. I wonder very much what systems are in place to help those...

...who help others with PTSD.

This is a very important problem to address, for while most who burnout will not go on a murderous rampage, as it stands we only have one PTSD expert for every 700 soldiers. We can't afford to lose them.

[Pavulon]

7. It is funny, when I deployed to bosnia

with the real possibility of killing christians, their religious disposition was never a thought. I saw dead people and never viewed them in religious terms. No one did.

The man's faith may or may not have been a factor, I am sorry he did not enjoy army life, i did not really like it all that much in retrospect. I would have been sorry if he shot himself. However my sympathy for him stops when he chose to become a mass murdering bastard. An act that would be condemned under any faith. Faith is a lens that can cloud reason.

The war, guns, faith are all secondary to the choices this person made. He is responsible for his actions.

[AspenRose]

9. Where in the OP does it say he was not responsible for his actions?

"I am NOT condoning what Hasan did yesterday - I strongly condemn it. I can see how he would resent being deployed to a Muslim country and witness the killing of Muslims. That does not mean his actions yesterday were right."

[Pavulon]

13. Not my point, the Muslim to a Muslim land thing

is just strange to me. Plenty of people with german names or german heritage had no problem pulling the trigger in ww2. Would deploying to a non muslim nation have caused him to have a faith based implosion? Who knows.

Bottom line is that if his voodoo was a problem he should not have sworn the oath.

Not attacking the OP.

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. Question: When you deployed to Bosnia, had you spent years of enduring

disrespect and insubordination to your rank because you were a christian? Did the people you were serving with view you as one of the 'other' instead of one of them, because of your religious beliefs?

And since when does understanding equate with sympathy?

[Pavulon]

12. I spent years dealing with bullshit of all types

there were officers who were in the closet who took shit, guys from mexico who took shit, everyone takes shit. Now insubordination is something else, however being a Major he had the ability to fix that problem.

I don't understand how religion played a role yet, no one does. No one understands yet.

The view of going to a Muslim nation is a joke, the same as guys in the US with german names had no problem pulling the trigger in ww2. I wonder if he would have had a problem going to a christian nation?

Religion has no role, except in the clouded mind.

My bet money played a part. He could not have a private practice, not used his degree if he was in Iraq.

[progressivebydesign]

14. someone was recently arrested at Fort Hood for harassing him for his religion, apparently.

I just read this somewhere. He was being harassed for being a Muslim by another military person who was arrested. His "god is love" muslim sticker was torn off his car, and his car was keyed, and other things.

NOT that this type of harassment ever justifies violence, but in light of his work with PTSD and being harassed for his religion, that could play a part in his mental state at the time. Other people can overlook that stuff, and function, but some people don't have that ability and resort to violence, like the man in Orlando who attacked the people who had fired him last year.

[Pavulon]

16. Both should have eaten their guns. But they were assholes

so they pussed out and shot others. Both are worthy of derision, if understanding leads to some action that would prevent violence great. But an army major has no excuse.

His religion does not tolerate his behavior, I dont tolerate it. He is scum, i can not count the number of times I was called a "fucking cocksucking little redneck cunt" to my face. Kicked in the balls, had my gear fucked with, etc. Continuous part of induction. People perpetually fuck with people out of boredom. Any weakness or sensitivity just gets a doubledown.

The army is not like the real world. He could have taken some of his hard earned major dollars and bought a ticket to bolivia. He could have got himself a drug habit. But, alas, he choose to be a bastard.

[Call Me Wesley]

18. "The army is not like the real world."

That, I think, is the major problem.

[Pavulon]

20. It cant be. It is a delicate balance.

train a guy to do a job that involves violence and maintain his composure is difficult, not possible over long term. However this guy was not in combat, not a exposed to combat. He appears to be a selfish ass.

The Major's problem is not typical.

[gordianot]

11. Therapists, Counselors, Psychologist all have strife.

I know it is early but there appears the army may have had some forewarning of problems in this situation. Time will tell and this time it may well be told.

[progressivebydesign]

15. yes, absolutely. It depends entirely on someone's mental state what is a catalyst for violence. n/t

[timeforpeace]

17. And now they are part of a new victim group. That is so sad.

[Call Me Wesley]

19. It's kind of sad,

there's Muslim on one side, and Psychiatry on the other side. Both are easy to bash. No one bashes the holy army, though. :hug:

[Pavulon]

21. What did the army do? The army did

NOT start the war, they follow elected civilians orders. They did not force this man to enlist, he signed up. They did not teach him a voodoo religion that may have been a factor in him killing innocent people.

I blame the man. Not the religion, not the gun, not the army. He made his choices. Those choices define him as scum.