Last week my entire work place came down with H1N1.

[Barack_America]

Our boss came in sick for a meeting we couldn't cancel.

He missed the rest of the week--3 days of work lost

Within days 3 other coworkers came down with the flu; one ended up in the ER--8 days of work lost (and counting)

Everyone got sick except me.

I was vaccinated against H1N1 the week before.

Looks like the vaccine works.

[BrklynLiberal]

1. So do you have to come in and do everyone's work now???

If so, I would pretend to have caught it as well..:rofl: :rofl:

[Barack_America]

2. Thankfully no.

We all have our own projects, so their stuff is just now on hold.

It really is stunning how quickly that virus tore through our ranks though. I don't think I've ever experienced a more infectious virus.

[The Backlash Cometh]

134. I had it last week, and oddly, no one that I am aware of, caught it

from me. Not even the hubby.

[Writer]

3. Out of curiosity, did your coworkers who got sick also get vaccinated beforehand.

I'm guessing not, but I'm trying to avoid a Type I error.

[Barack_America]

127. They were not vaccinated.

I was the only one.

That's a very good point, and I'm sorry I forgot to mention it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

135. Are you in a high risk group?

[Barack_America]

137. I am a medical student and was mandated to receive the shot.

I am also an asthmatic so I am extremely grateful to have gotten it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

140. Do you know the symptoms of fluid in the lungs?

I think it's gone now, but for a few days, when I took a deep breath there was a weird (but painless) sensation at the bottom of my right lung. Almost felt like liquid moving through the intestine, except that it was pretty consistent.

[Barack_America]

144. Yes. That's what had me so terrified to get it.

I am very prone to such lung infections.

I am glad that you improved; that sensation must have been very uncomfortable and scary.

[Ms. Toad]

169. Umm...if you received the vaccination as a medical student

why didn't your co-workers - presumably working in the same medical setting - also get it?

[Barack_America]

170. No patient contact.

I'm the only one who is a medical student.

[Ms. Toad]

177. That's a tad odd.

The local boards of health are vaccinating all their employees - whether or not they have contact with patients (and it is also being offered to families). The theory is they don't want virus transferred directly (from you) or indirectly from anyone you come into contact with during the work day who might transfer it to you.

[Barack_America]

182. The hospital and university received a limited number of vaccines.

They gave them to the people they identified as having the greatest risk of catching and spreading the virus and everyone else now has to wait.

They don't know when they'll be getting more.

It's also not being offered to all families. Pregnant women and caregivers of infants less than 6 mos. old have a higher priority than do others.

[Ms. Toad]

185. Families of health department employees - not all families

Just letting you know what is being done locally. The caregivers are not viewed in isolation - and preventing a caregiver from spreading the virus because s/he carries it in from an ill co-worker (without direct patient contact) or from an ill family member is viewed here as more important to controlling the spread among the at risk populations likely to be visiting doctors than vaccinating the at risk population directly. Given the limited quantity of vaccine available, the theory is that it is better to vaccinate a larger portion of the most likely sources of contamination than a smaller portion of those at most risk.

I'm just surprised that they didn't at least vaccinating the people you come in contact with on the job (and might transfer the virus from).

[targetpractice]

4. It's really contagious and quick, right?

I live in NYC... And, it's spread very rapidly amongst my friends.

Your "boss" is really irresponsible, and I hope you co-worker in the ER recovers soon.

[laconicsax]

5. Clearly your co-workers were given the vaccine and you got the placebo.

The vaccine causes H1N1 after all.

[Barack_America]

128. No, I was the only one vaccinated.

Apologies for leaving that out.

But I think the vaccine was too busy turning me autistic to give me the flu, thank God. ;)

[laconicsax]

188. Haven't you heard? The vaccine causes H1N1.

[Name of idiot] said that his doctor heard from a colleague that the vaccine is really a secret population control measure designed to wipe out enough people to scare people into supporting socialized medicine. It's a huge conspiracy that's been in the works since Obama's mother faked the birth certificate so that secret government ninjas could wire the WTC towers with explosives without anyone noticing.

[Barack_America]

191. Yeah, I heard a bit about that down-thread.

Who knew?!

;)

[xchrom]

6. unless you have access to their swab reults -- you have no idea. nt

[Barack_America]

129. We work in a medical center the only flu the hospital is seeing in the area is H1N1.

We are waiting for my coworkers final test results to come back, confirming it is H1N1.

[rucky]

141. and you work in a medical center?!

holy crap! What was the boss thinking?

[Barack_America]

148. .

It's worse. He's an MD.

I don't know what he was thinking. The coworker that got really sick had an important meeting for his degree the following day and needed to practice his presentation. My boss really should have canceled it, or at least let us hold it without him. He clearly feels very badly now (and his entire lab was shut down for days), so hopefully he learned a lesson.

[bobbolink]

194. Does he use gloves? Wash his hands?

He sounds a bit careless, and I've heard from nurses just how careless some of these doctors can be.

It would be sad, if it wasn't so damned dangerous!

[Nikki Stone1]

7. Isn't it funny that the disease is spreading at the same time as the widespread vaccination program?

It's a medical fact that vaccines can actually spread disease to the unvaccinated.

"When a live virus is used in the vaccine, infective virus is shed for anywhere from 4 to 21 days (or more) and, during that time, inoculated persons can give the disease, or the side effects of the inoculation, to any vulnerable person they come into contact with."

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=549

[vadawg]

8. you do know that the injection is not a live virus......

[Nikki Stone1]

9. But the nasal spray was.

"Live, attenuated intranasal vaccine (or LAIV) is. sprayed into the nose. "

www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-laiv-h1n1.pdf

[vadawg]

13. yup but you do realise that the live version is not the same as the version making everyone sick

its the difference of eating one cookie and eating 1000...

[Nikki Stone1]

14. The live vaccine contains H1N1 according to the CDC web site

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/nasalspray_qa.htm

[vadawg]

16. i guess you didnt read your own link, ive cut the relevant part out for you..

Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu?
Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness. The weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist. Some children and young adults 2 years to 17 years of age have reported experiencing mild reactions after receiving seasonal nasal spray flu vaccine, including runny nose, nasal congestion or cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. Some adults 18 years to 49 years of age have reported runny nose or nasal congestion, cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. These side effects are mild and short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of influenza infection.


hope this helps you understand why the nasal vaccine is different from the H1N1 strain that is full blown

[Nikki Stone1]

20. I read that before you posted it, but that doesn't change the risk.

Perhaps you didn't read that part.

The risk of spreading the disease to others after getting the nasal vaccine is between 0.6-2.4%. This means for every 5000 people vaccinated, 30 (.6%)-120 (2.4%) people will get the disease. If the OP has 100 people in his or her office, one or two people will get the disease from someone else who is vaccinated and then can spread it to others.

[vadawg]

22. i think you need to understand the virus they are spreading is the cold weaker version

not the full blown H1N1 virus, they are saying that the people getting the nasal one can spread that one, not full blown H1N1 as that is not in the nasal version.

[Nikki Stone1]

24. I understand what you are saying, but look at the CDC's own website

The office might get a slightly milder form, or it might mutate as it spreads, but the vaccine can cause infection to others. You can't get away from that.

[vadawg]

27. lol yes the nasal version may cause infection in others

but its a hell of a lot better to get the weakened version of the H1N1 than the full blown one, and the injected version has no danger of infecting anyone else... at least you can admit that cant you..

[Nikki Stone1]

31. There's no "lol" about it. It's a medical fact.

Sorry that you can't accept numbers. It's just the way it is. That's no excuse not to get vaccinated, it's just reality.

[vadawg]

34. but you realise the fact is yes you may get infected from the attenuated version

but what you will catch is the attenuated version not the full blown H1N1 virus, much like the small pox vaccination exposed you to a milder version of the pox not the full version of small pox..

[Nikki Stone1]

40. I realize that a small percentage of people will get the disease from the vaccine according to CDC

That disease may vary, but the spread will happen. It's just a fact.

Sorry that you don't understand math.

[vadawg]

44. sorry you dont understand the difference between attenuated virus and full blown virus

think how sick eating one cookie makes you compared to eating 1000,

[Nikki Stone1]

46. But I do. And it can still spread.

As I told Nadin, lets say you have an office of 100 people. According to the CDC, 1 or 2 of those people will get the milder form of swine flu from someone who got the nasal vaccine. That's just a medical and mathematical fact. These 1 or 2 people can then spread it to the rest of the office. Now, the infected office workers may not end up in the hospital with pneumonia (which is a good thing) but they will still have some sick days and spread it to their family members who are not vaccinated. Here again, a medical fact. You act as if an attenuated version carries absolutely no risk: that is not true, but the risk is small enough that it is acceptable, and if most people can get a vaccine, the risk can go down.

You are so married to your crusade that you can't actually have a rational discussion. And you don't do numbers, that's clear.

[vadawg]

nope you are reading more into my posts, this post by you makes sense and i agree with it

the danger from the vaccines is negligible and even contracting the minor version is much better than full blown H1N1, i am not saying it has no risk but the risk is infinetly better than if we didnt do vaccinations at all.

[Nikki Stone1]

52. I am not reading into your posts: you are having a knee jerk emotional reaction

And I'm trying to give you numbers.

That's all that this is.

My posts have all made sense. You simply are so blinded by emotion that you can't see the numbers.

[Skittles]

73. dup

[vadawg]

74. idiot lol

[Th1onein]

126. In terms of the nasal form of the vaccine, this would be a good thing then....

The nasal form of the vaccine is cold-adapted, ie., it can't survive in the lungs. So, if people getting this type of vaccination spread it to others, it's more like they are vaccinating others instead of giving them the full-blown version of the flu.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

206. Exactly it's a way to vaccinate the antivax crew. They can't even say no.

[Maiden England]

47. 'might mutate' based upon how many years of virology study is that?

because when I was in school, the influenza virus is a fairly slow mutating virus, which is why you can successfully vaccinate against the common strains of the virus each year.

An attenuated virus, although it can 'mutate' or undergo antigenic drift, cannot change its character. That is, it can still only cause 'disease' under its attenuated ability, in this case, only at colder temperatures. It may 'look' different to the immune system, but its still the same virus. Its just the overcoat that changes.

There is so much ridiculous disinformation coming from people who clearly have no grasp on the basics of immunology its not even funny.

[Nikki Stone1]

54. Mutation may be slow, but it will be out there. Here again, not an impossibility.

Why is everyone so emotional about this?

[Grinchie]

65. As opposed to one atom shifting from a single to double bond?

Exacrtly how does that define a Slow mutating virus? What difference is it if it take 1 miut or one million minutes? If it happens in you, if it otherwise would be impossible because you didn't have the virus injected deep in your tissue, then I think the definition of "Slow" would be meaningless to you.

Does a "Slow"d eath make certain death easier?

You also make an unfounded statement that "You can successfully vaccinate against the common strains of the virus each year"

Yet, I can assure you that million of us do not get the flu vaccine, no have we ever sought to be vaccinated each year, yet, do not catch the virus even though colleagues get it. Perhaps it's as simple as washing our hands and using common sanitary techniques that are no longer known by the majority of the unwashed restroom crowd. If you don't believe me, just watch how many people wash their hands before leaving the restroom. It's enough to cause one to wish the Swine Flu on the lot of the idiots.

At this point, I don't trust our for profit medical system that depends on illness to make yet more porfits. I think they are making enough, and I just won't support them anymore until I see so real breakthroughs in science. The only real breakthroughs these days are the rlevations on nutrition and disease that have been ignored by modern medicine. It's no wonder why the pharmaceutical industry is buying up all the seed companies and is in a rush to patent every plant that can benefit human health.

[Grinchie]

57. Oh thanks, it's just a lesser Flu, I'm so relieved at that thought of 3 days of misery

instead of 3.25 days of misery.

Do you even realize what you are saying?

You seem pretty enthusiastic about taking the vaccine, but this weekened, I ran into about 45 differnt people who affirmed that would never submit to a Flu Shot, have not been i'll in many years, and all are currently healthy.

Now if medical science would just answer the question as why people like me and my Organic Farmer, Hippie friends don't catch the influenza virus, while the stressed out worker drones in the rat race with a crushing mortgage and three iPod's do, then maybe I would not be so sceptical about the vaccines efficacy, or it's safety.

The anti vaccer's has good reasons to shun them, simply because they are about as well researched as the long term effects of eating GMO foods. The Corporations make craploads of money on them, the Government get to play the guardian of the poor, helpless masses, and the public gets a chance to believe in something other than their bodie's own ability to heal.

[vadawg]

59. good luck if small pox ever rears its head again...

[Grinchie]

67. You can go stuff your smallpox. it's a topical vaccine.

I actually was vaccinated for Smallpox, so you might want to back out, because I'll be happy to rip your fear mongering statement to shreds.
Trying to spread fear of the return of Smallpox is a no win, because the only way would be if the CDC or the Military released it from the freezer.

Nice try fanboy.

[vadawg]

71. yeah how long ago did you get your vaccine, cause it dosent last a lifetime

but its a good example of the thinking of the anti vaxxers, wondering what your remedy would be if it did ever return, do you have a secret that works better than the tetanus jab as well.. i just hope that your words dont turn out to be your famous last words.

[Grinchie]

77. Thanks for your trnaparent concern for my well being

But your concern is misplaced.

The reason that I will no longer take any vaccine, is because I have taken the time to study biochemistry and nuclear physics. You pro vaccers sure take a lot for granted, but it's not based on reality or facts. You are primarily supplicants singing the Gospel according to modern, Corporate funded science, and not of science that actually explores the consequences of say, lemon fresh scented Chlorine Bleach, or "Fortified" Bleached White Flour on nutrition and the Human organism.

At this point, I am comfortable with my abilities to see a well conceived money making scheme from a mile away, and I trust my judgement more that anyone who defends any vaccine with fear tactics and dogma that tries to ignore the Billion dollar industry that benefits from it.

As we know, Americans are the sickest society in the world. We have more morbidly obese, chronically ill people in the world. In less that fifty years, Americans have gown so fat that they had to deepn the flume at Disneyland it's a small world, because the people were no longer small. They were so heavy, they bottomed out the boats.

Now that I have learned about the lies sold as food in our Supermarkets, my health has never been better, and I'm happy with the fact that I have not been ill for years, despite the fact that I work outside, in a tropical climate, that is rife with tropical diseases.

People would rather continue to drink 24 packs of Pepsi and a box of Ding Dongs than spend a few cents more for Fresh, Locally grown Organic foods followed by lots of fresh water.

Of course, being totally liquid, out of debt, and free to take care of myself rather than a mortgage helps a lot.

Again, unless I'm allowed to do my own research on this rushed Vaccine, I would not take it even if it was mandated.

[vadawg]

79. lol no idea what you think telling me you have no debt has to do with it

or whatever other crazy stuff you believe, but if you think these diseases only effect people who live the live you seem to eschew then your research is not only sadly lacking but totally fucking nuts....

[Grinchie]

84. It has everything to do with well being and no stress...

Perhaps you may not have noticed it, but the U.S. is in the middle of the Great Depression 2.0, and a lot of people are stressed out to the gills.

While it is sad to watch everybody dealing with watching everything they've worked for disappear along with their jobs, I'm happy to not be a part of it and be able to take care of myself without being subjected to the collapse of the House that Greenspan built.

Stress is just as much at fault as poor diet, lack of sleep, lack of water, and the willingness to take the word of others instead of researching it for themselves.

Yep, I'm crazy! and Sadly Lacking! Therefore, I must Eschew!

Nice try goofball, but your counterargument just died on the operating table.

[vadawg]

86. i dont think it died, i just dont think you answered it, or could answer it

[Grinchie]

109. Remove your blindfold and read the post.

If that didn't explain it, then you didn't read it.

But that's understandable. If you can't take the heat, then get out of the oven.

[vadawg]

111. and illl say it again, how do you explain people who live outside of the live you eschew

who live natural lives but still fall prey to the diseases that a simple vaccine would prevent..

[nadinbrzezinski]

167. Dear obesity has n'thing to do with vaccines

now if you said fast food, and corn syrup... yep.

But you do read like the Archbishop, serious. I just need to change some of the sentences for Our Lord Jesus Christ.

By the way... you are benefiting frmo herd mentality... and yes perhaps we should go back to 1775... it woudl be so much better.. I mean it would be NATURAL... just don't drink the water... and choose the kid 's beer ok.

[uppityperson]

93. Edited to delete. Not worth the time or energy to someone whose mind is so made up

[Grinchie]

107. Thanks for sparing me from your nonsense.

[uppityperson]

113. You are welcome. Don't want to trouble your little mind with having to consider something new

:hug:

[Hannah Bell]

76. & smallpox has -- what, exactly, to do with the topic?

[vadawg]

78. a lot as it shows what vaccines can achieve, or did that one pass you by...

[Hannah Bell]

80. "what vaccines can achieve" is irrelevant to the topic. as is your wish that the other poster

should hope smallpox never returns.

[vadawg]

83. why is saying that vaccines are the best preventative to pandemics irrelevant

and the best way to show that relevance is to show how vaccines helped eradicate one disease from the planet and to show how the herd immunity and vaccinations can protect the community... i guess you have a better method for protecting people from pandemics...

[Hannah Bell]

85. your assumption is the people you're talking to are against the concept of vaccination.

it's not the case, no matter how much the "pro-vax" crowd here mislabel them as such.

[vadawg]

87. okay then if your not anti vax, then you are just anti this vax

what reasons do you have, that have a scientific basis...

[Grinchie]

90. First of all, the reaction is disproportionate to the illness

Last week, the total number of worldwide fatalities to the Swine flu was 4,700 or so. There are 6 billion people in the world.

there were 147,000 cases of Tuberculosis last year, with 850 deaths in the United States alone.

130,000 people died last year from taking their prescription medicines as directed.

There are issue that have revealed that Thiomerosol is a known neurotoxin, and has been know as such since the mid thirties, but the studies were ignored.

Mercury is an extremely toxic metal, while Silver has definate antibacterial properties. Why use Mercury instead of Silver as a preservative?

There are new studies regarding the toxicity of Aluminum, which is now used as an Adjuvant, originally, it was a contaminant from the reaction vessels.

There are direct link from the increased Vaccine schedule for infants in 1990 onward with developmental disabilities. The scientists that discovered this evidence were sacked.

With the release of this information, we have seen a larg number of Pro Vaccine Town Hollerers that would like this conversation to cease and desist, beecasuse it may harm the multi billion dollar vaccine industry.

There are serious questions of accountability and liability regarding the millions of children that have been disabled by the increased vaccine schedules adminstered at birth.

The Liability not only affects the Pharmaceutical Corporations, but the CDC, NIH, and the Governments all over the world.

So you seem the motivations for smearing the truth to oblivion is in abundant supply, but the truth is the truth, and no amount of paid blogging is going to hide the facts that have been revealed so far to be swept under the carpet.

You seem to be totally oblivious of these developments Vadawg, which is strange for someone as quick on the trigger of the Flamethrower as you are.

Perhaps, you are just a dumb kid that hasn't cracked a book or done any research in a while.. Or maybe you are not so dumb, and protecting a vested interest.

[vadawg]

91. perhaps im just not nuts, have you considered that

you seem to lay out every reason for my behaviour but miss the glaringly obvious one that you are batshit crazy and happy as a loon...

[Grinchie]

112. Oh, thank you wise Sage. Any more advice?

It's "Glaringly" obvious that you can divine everything you need to know from the electrons streaming through the Cloud, but as far as I'm concerned, you sound more interested in Ad Hominem attacks, and insults rather than actually doing any heavy lifting to further your point.

I actually thought that perhaps maybe someone could come along and actually provide unequivocable information that would actually dissuade me from the past 6 months of research I've done on this subject, along with the several dozen books on biochemistry, virology, and nutrition.

I guess all of those books, along with growing up in the family of doctors and nurse made me "Crazy" enough to "Eschew" the sage advice of Vadawg, and anonymous poster that has nothing but wine and roses for the vaccine Corporations. All positive, no negative, coupled with Ad Hominem attacks like I was some sort of nobody..

You've made me very Happy Vadawg, because when I see people like you crawl back into you shell, I know that the facts have won over your very expensive and comittee tested propaganda.

As I said before, Nice Try, but you are going to have to do a lot better.

[vadawg]

115. oh im not crawling anywhere from you, im actually going to buddy list you so when you get the H1N1

i can do a big told you so....

[closeupready]

159. I put that one on Ignore in a previous thread, I think it was the "Suzanne Somers Sucks" thread.

I see that I made the right choice.

You will eventually learn, as I have, that there are many on this board who are more interested in posting snipes on DU than curing cancer or making quarterly sales targets.

Cheers. :hi:

[vadawg]

204. not sure if you are saying i am on ignore

though if i am then you wont see this query, one of the reasons why i promised to never ignore anyone as i think i would just get confused to hell :)

[Hannah Bell]

101. there's a sizable contingent of folks here who are determined to derail

any actual fact-based discussion with personal attack, name-calling, & misrepresentation of posters' positions.

i'm not interested in attempting actual discussion under such conditions. i merely snipe at the stupid shits these days.

some posters continue to try to discuss actual facts, & some are in this thread. rather than diverting discussion into irrelevancies like smallpox & representing those who disagree with you as anti-science nuts, you might try asking real, non-hostile questions if you really want to discuss something.

you'd be surprised what a difference it makes.

[vadawg]

103. and i might say the same of you, to dismiss the real life saving of vaccines as shown by smallpox

by trying to make it seem irrelevent is the real crime, but go ahead lets see some real scientific data about the vaccines and we can discuss it, but to think that the history of vaccines both good and bad can be ignored is the very definition of anti science...

[Hannah Bell]

104. i've taken no position at all on vaccines in this thread. it's this kind of misrepresentation

that makes discussion impossible & tiresome.

[vadawg]

106. then in the words of my great grandfather you can jog off

i seem to remember you posited that samllpox was irrelevent, i simply stated that i disagreed with you and gave my reasons, i dont see the misrepresentation in that...

[Hannah Bell]

110. the misrepresentation is saying i dismissed

"the real life saving of vaccines as shown by smallpox"

i didn't dismiss any such thing.

i said something quite different: smallpox is irrelevant *to this discussion,* your snarky wish that the poster better hope smallpox never comes back is irrelevant to this discussion, & your comments assume, without basis, that the people you're talking to are anti-science.

[vadawg]

116. not a snarky wish just a fact, that if it does ever get out of the lab then we better start to vac

again, and as you keep saying smallpox is irrelevent to the discussion, and i say well if you are going to list bad things that have happened due to vaccines then its only fair to list the successes as well of which smallpox is one of the greatest. Now to the anti science claim, yes i say you are anti science if you subscribe to the whackjobness that seems to frequent the vaccine threads, claims that it leads to autism being the most bandied about, the science all says that the vaccine is safe, the flu is a pandemic yet people seem to think that because they have read a couple of books they know better than the WHO and CDC etc.. now you explain to me how that is not anti science....

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

198. Post some facts and let's discuss them.

[Hannah Bell]

218. not with you, medic.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

219. Just tip that King over without making a move.

[Grinchie]

88. If you didn't sound like a Corporate PR Man, maybe you'd be more convincing

It's pretty clear that you are dancing around many nasty facts regarding Vaccines, because they are just not present on your talking point cheat sheet.

You have all the latest marketing lines, straight from Merck andd Big Pharma.. That's why you stick out like a sore thumb.

You cannot answer anyone that rightfully states that they have never had the flu, let alone a flu vaccine, and their statement that they don't require one. Your whole push is to somehow make it wrong to refuse, or somehow intimate that they are somehow selfish for wanting to keep foreign material out of their body.

It's not my fault for remaining healthy and disease free. I say it's your fault for being weak and unhealthy. I'll be happy to let you in on my simple and easy method for remaining healthy, but it appears that you would rather be sick and unhealthy and remain stuck in your unhealthy pattern.

Sorry buddy, I'm not going to inject Chicken DNA and foreign proteins into my body just to make you feel safe.

[vadawg]

89. lol because i dont believe you, you may believe you have never had the flu

but unless you have been checked for antibodies and can have that certified then i call BS on that. Yes it is selfish for you to think that your BS precautions for the swine flu is the best way to go, you cant be made to get vaccinated but what about the people who cant get a vaccine, do you ever think about them, you could be the carrier that infects someone who is so compromised that they cant take the vaccine. Ive already been vaccinated as have my wife and children so its not me your going to make safe its your neighbour or the guy down the street but i guess your piece of mind is more important than the health and safety of strangers...

[Grinchie]

92. Frankly, I think about them all the time.

They are the ones in the supermarket with gallons of non-fat milk, non fat, sugar free yogurt, packages of splenda and lean cuisine frozen entree's, yet are morbidly obese, look like hell, and have an attitude that sucks the life out of the air around them.

Your childish Carrier argument has no merit, as I know many doctors that refuse to take the vaccine, yet they are exposed daily. Your Typhoid Mary argument is pretty dated, and doesn't reflect any sort of reality other than presenting a fear tactic to further your goals.

If you really want to get into the Typhoid Mary scenarion, perhaps youd like to tell me how many cases of Hepatitis people catch every year from Carriers. Or maybe you'd like to expand your Typhoid Mary scenario to TB or perhaps even HIV..

Your silly Herd Immunity ignores the fact that I am not ill and shedding virus if it is in check, simply because I am not sneezing, or coughing, or leaking virus laden mucous all over the place.

If I am not symptomatic, then I do not need the vaccine, it's that simple. Your argument is similiar to banning Oysters, because some of them may carry bad proteins and could make you sick.

Or maybe I should not eat Strawberries, because they cause allergies in some people.

Uh Huh..

It's also quite funny that you automatically assume that I am not classified as one of those that is not in a high risk group..

[vadawg]

94. i think its funny how you think that if you are symptomatic then its time to get the vaccine

it shows a complete misunderstanding of vaccines and how they work, so once again tell me if your magical rabbits foot will protect you from all illness or is it just H1N1 that you are safe from...

[Name removed]

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[vadawg]

120. your own words,

If I am not symptomatic, then I do not need the vaccine, it's that simple


i think you need to reread what you wrote before you start to cast attacks on others....

[uppityperson]

124. What. The. Fuck?

[uppityperson]

122. "If I am not symptomatic, then I do not need the vaccine"? wtf? No, then it is too late to be vx'd

Vaccines work by stimulating your body to produce antibodies, so next time you run across the antigen, your body can fight it off quickly rather than getting sick.

That is a direct quote from the post I am replying to. "If I am not symptomatic, then I do not need the vaccine". And this is supposed to make people think you have a clue about this?

[vadawg]

125. I dont think he understands what vaccines are or how they work whatsoever

[carlyhippy]

133. what is wrong with non-fat milk? I can see the harm to the body with the other stuff

and do you drink water from tap or filtered? I am trying to develop a whole food approach, and always wondered whole milk vs skim milk, which is better? And where do you get your meat, if you eat meat?

[Grinchie]

81. It's identical to what you look like with the Swine Flu!! Look and be afraid!

Actually, it to better frighten the simple minded reader my dear -- Buwah Hah Hah Hah Hah!

Why not compare a mild case of influenza with a disfiguring curse from God Almighty! That'll larn em for questioning the efficacy of the Modern Day Snake Oil industry.

[vadawg]

82. lol you do realise that dead is dead, or is that one to difficult for you to process

what do you want to see pics of people on ventilators from the H1N1.

[Grinchie]

96. Do you realise that Healthy is Healthy, or does that make you angry?

I see people on Ventilators from Smoking too, what's your point? I see people on ventilators due to pneumonia caused by anasthesia too. What's your point?

Some people get sick, some people don't get sick, what's your point?

People like me get no attention from doctors, while the sick get all the attention. I'd like to keep it that way, and that's why I won't contaminate my system with foreign material that the makers really can't explain in rational terms, nor can they guarantee that there will be no side effects.

If the vaccine is so wonderful, then why do they get Government immunity from liability?

Why did so many people die or become disabled from the Swine Flu vaccine in the Ford Administration?

Why did they halt the Vaccine after the deaths?

So many unpleasant questions, I know, but I look forward toward your illuminating answers to them.

[vadawg]

98. lol okay mate you just keep on believing, good luck with that...

[Grinchie]

118. Point, Match, Win

As Vadawg scurries off to his hidey hole, eviscerated by a few simple questions that he is forbidden from answering.

So long Vadawg! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[vadawg]

121. lol im not running from you, im finding you highly entertaining

you go on about your knowledge base yet you dont even know why the swine flu vaccine back in the day is like night to day to the new one, i am enjoying your explanations of why you wont get sick and im waiting for the punchline...

[closeupready]

160. Ohhhh, okay. yes,

I did make the right choice. ;) :D

[SidDithers]

168. Yer funny...

spectacularly misinformed, but funny nonetheless.

Sid

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. So lets all go back to 1775... the year before the first Jenner vaccine

I am sure life will be much better...

Should we release the Smallpox from the two labs to get the full effect as well?

And no, I do not mean this with any sense of sarcasm.

Try readying into oh... Herd dynamics and herd immunity...

There are days that I wonder... am I readying a blog in 2009 or am I readying the complaints of the Archbishop of Guadalajara in 1812 against the Jenner Vaccine? No, sadly not that different.

Su Excelencia el Arzobispo had a reason to fear this. Hell, the Church had ahem issues with the whole Enlightenment and science stuff... but you'd think in 2009 people would be a tad better educated...

Nope...

[Grinchie]

69. Oooh, 1775, when everybody dropped dead from Smallpox and not starvation.

I'm amused that you have to resort to Smallpox instead of staying on topic with the Swine Flu.

Do you think that the grotesque, disfiguring blisters of Smallpox (Eradicated) give you more power to convince an uneducated, unthinking, herd into submitting to another type of vaccination, one that hangs on the coattails of the Smallpox vaccine, despite the fact the smallpox is a skin scratch versus a virus grown in the embroyo of a fertilized Chicken egg, then injected deep within your muscle?

Maybe you do, but the reality is that Influenza vaccines are a crap shoot, just like tranfuing type A blood into a person that has type O blood. It isn't going to have a happy ending.

Yet, all it takes is one molecular difference to gum up the works. You are nothing more than another mechanist that would like to treat all human beings as interchangeable, but you are wrong.

This is the last freedom I possess, and you'd see the same way if you had any sense.

[nadinbrzezinski]

165. No you want to go back ot a world BEFORE vaccines, that is Jenner

and no, you are wrong... PEOPLE DIED from preventable diseases that they don't today because of vaccines. And Smallpox was a LARGE percentage of that.

You know why people celebrated the first and fifth birthdays, and still do? Collective memories. Most kdis died before age five, and not from starvation either.

Oh and HERD DYNAMICS are real dear. You are GETTING THAT PROTECTION because MOST OF THE HERD does not take your dimn view of science. You are not unlike Su Excelencia.

[The Backlash Cometh]

138. five to seven days.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

208. Do you have a link to an article that says influenza from the H1N1 virus lasts only 3.25 days?

[Odin2005]

12. yeah, that's an unbiased site.

woo-woo, woo-woo...

[Nikki Stone1]

19. From the CDC website

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/nasalspray_qa.htm


"Can people receiving the nasal-spray flu vaccine LAIV pass the vaccine viruses to others?

In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts occurred only rarely. The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms since the vaccine viruses have not been shown change into typical or naturally occurring influenza viruses."

Rare means a percent or two. If 30 million people get the vaccine, 300,000 people (1%)- 600,000 (2%) will get the disease from others. These folks can then spread it to others.

[vadawg]

21. lol i think you intentionally didnt see the part about even if its spread its not full blown virus

the virus that is administered nasally is a weakened version that dosent survive in the warmer parts of the body, you need to read your own links to the CDC...

[Posteritatis]

25. They're vaccinated against facts

Their powerful immune systems deflect or repel any information that would otherwise undermine their "arguments." Expecting antivaxxers to actually read CDC articles instead of quotemining them is excessive. ;)

[Nikki Stone1]

43. Check my posts before spouting insults based on prejudice.

And if you get the H1N1 flu, I hope you'll take some time in your sick bed to think about how you prejudge people with no facts. It could be an epiphany for you! :D

[Posteritatis]

51. I checked your posts; they confirm you don't know what you're talking about. (nt)

[Nikki Stone1]

56. Silly child. Check the CDC website. That's where I got the .6-2.4%

And if you don't know what that refers to, you haven't been reading my posts.

:rofl:

[Nikki Stone1]

35. I read the links. The CDC itself says that there is a .6 to 2.4% chance of spreading disease

with the live vaccine. And as I said before, that's no excuse not to get it--in fact, because the nasal vaccine recipients are spreading it (even in a weaker form), you need to get the vaccine to defend against others with the vaccine.

You are pretty ignorant about numbers. You just like to attack people.

[uppityperson]

95. "The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus" NOT H1N1 disease.

Doesn't say anything about getting "the disease" but totally the opposite: "Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms since the vaccine viruses have not been shown change into typical or naturally occurring influenza viruses."

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. You do realize the jab is a dead virus?

There is very little of the nose version, which has an attenuated virus given to people who refuse to take the jab.

[vadawg]

17. i think its time to just let the anti vaxxers be, it dosent matter what facts they see, i will never

change their mind, i can only surmise that they have never seen a full blown epidemic or had loved ones die like flies from simple illnesses...

[Critters2]

26. My grandfather survived the 1918 flu. The whole time I knew him, he had Parkinson's,

yet he would talk about the 1918 epidemic with real fear in his voice. His family's farm was quarantined. Two of his cousins died of it, and he was always grateful to have survived. I've thought about his stories about those days often in recent months. We've forgotten how bad these things can be.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Trust me, I know

And that is partly the lack of historical and scientific knowledge in this country... (and I fear on purpose by the powers that be)

[vadawg]

29. i lost family menbers to simple diseases growing up

i speak to my wife today and wonder how many of them died from simple shit such as tetanus, etc though i do remember people with polio growing up and how bad that could be...

[Nikki Stone1]

49. This may be why you are so emotional and jump to conclusions about people

You need to wind it back. Vaccines, in general, are a good thing, but they always carry a small risk. When you are talking about vaccinating 100 million Americans, a 1-2% risk becomes 1-2 million people. Small percentage, large number. It's just the way it goes.

[vadawg]

53. not disagreeing with you, but the risk of the vaccine is not in the numbers

its in the virility of the strain in the live vax, even if 1-2 million people get infected from it the version they catch is the same as the vax so all it does in effect is vaccinate them from the full blown version.

[Nikki Stone1]

55. The risk IS in the numbers.

And full blown or not, people can still get sick from others who get the live vaccine. It's a small number. (.6-2.4%) But when you're talking about vaccinating 100 million Americans with live vaccine, that means that around 1-2 million will pick up the illness, albeit in a milder form, from people who got the vaccine. It's just the way it is.

The OP has not said that people in her office are all in the hospital with severe forms of the disease and suffering from pneumonia. The OP just said people have the swine flu and are out. If the OP got the nasal vaccine, it is very possible that he/she passed a milder form of the disease to a co-worker who then spread it to the others. Those who were unvaccinated (and there have been a lot of shortages) came down with H1N1, albeit in a milder form. It still makes you feel crappy and you still stay home in bed and you can still spread it to others.

[vadawg]

61. and that is the point, even if you catch the lesser form its the same as being immunized for the ful

blown version, better that 1-2 million people catch the cold version than the full blown version, not sure what part of the cold version is nothing compared to what the full blown version can do that you are missing. You keep going on about numbers but numbers dont matter if you can ensure everyone gets the minor version even if its by being contaminated by their neighbours, this is much better than the same 1-2 million catching the full blown version...

[Nikki Stone1]

66. Understood, but that doesn't change my original comment way back.

I think it is possible that someone in the OP's office who got the nasal vaccine passed it on. However, as long as the office workers are reasonably healthy, they'll only be out a few days with the lesser version. But remember, anyone who works with vulnerable populations (like the sick or elderly whose immune systems are compromised) cannot get the nasal vaccine. The percentages probably skyrocket at that point. And even a mild form could kill those with impaired immune systems.

It's just the way it is.

[vadawg]

72. yup not disagreeing with you on that, but in the numbers game

its better to have people even vaxxed with the attenuated virus and have the odd casualty than to have the ful blown virus hit a population and have more casualties. In the end with all pandemics it comes down to numbers,

[Nikki Stone1]

173. More than the odd casualty, since germs can spread

but otherwise correct.

[uppityperson]

97. "Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms"

From your CDC link: "Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms."

This does not mean "they'll only be out a few days with the lesser version" but that they won't have influenza illness symptoms AT ALL.

People who work with the sick are getting nasal vaccine.

[Grinchie]

105. So How many Asymptomatic Tetanus Bacterium Carriers were around back then?

This is just another example of the misinformation you spread Vadawg.

Perhaps you might want to study a bit before mixing apples and oranges, and disease vectors before you casually mix Tetanus in with Smallpox, Polio, and Swine Flue.

Of course, all of them are unique, and occasionally, someone would get unlucky enough to die, but here we are, 6 billion people on the planet, and 5.7 billion of them not Americans..

[vadawg]

108. not sure what the 5.7 billion not being american means

and the fact that tetanus is not spread by human to human dosent negate the fact that it is a simple illness that used to kill and now can be prevented very simply, like a lot of the other illnesses that used to ravage human populations..

[Grinchie]

119. It just displays your ignorance, that's all.

Tetanus is a Bacteria.

Do you even know what the Tetanus "Vaccine" is made of?

Do You know what Swine Flu Vaccine is made of?

Do you know that Swine Flu is a Virus?


Apples and Oranges dude.

[vadawg]

123. lol dont you get the point dude, that tetanus used to kill a lot of people

then a vaccine was made, smallpox killed a lot of people we got a vaccine, the flu kills a lot of people we have vaccines, the swine flu according to all the experts (WHO, CDC) is going to kill a lot of people we have a vaccine, but no you who read a book and has family who were in the medical field know better than the WHO and the CDC, do you really think you know more than the top dudes in these fields.... what you know and what they know is the real apples and oranges dude.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

190. My great grandmother died --

in that epidemic, as well. Influenza is no joke.

People routinely died or were disabled from shit we no longer even bother to worry about, thanks to vaccines.

[Nikki Stone1]

39. Anti-vaxer? Check my posts, and stop yowling based on prejudice.

And learn to work out percentages. Math is your friend.

[Grinchie]

70. So how many "Full Blown Epidemics" have you seen?

I take it you have at least seen the efficacy of the Aids Vaccine...

[vadawg]

75. aids was not an issue growing up, i have seen the flu kill people

also seen people die from the chickenpox especially very young. Also seen people die from simple infections. so though the epidemic was localised to my own extended family i have watched as many people got sick and died. I have also seen the difference when we started to get vaccinations to the death rate of my people...

[Grinchie]

102. Sound like you have one sick family

I also find it interesting that you so casually dismiss the HIV pandemic, which is truly horrifying, and have the gall to compare it to the rare death by Chickenpox, which is now no longer seen in youth, but now shows up as increased cases of Adult Shingles.

You are trying very hard Vadawg, but I can tell you right now that you do not pass the smell test.

Since you chose to call me crazy very early on in this thread, I'm afraid that you no longer have much credibility as you descend into "I have watched as many people got sick and died" monologue. I've seen people on the losing end of this argument follow the same pattern into "Boo Hoo Hoo, Poor Me, I've been there" defense, as they run for the exit, hoping for a bit of mercy.

Sorry Charly, I've been there too, and your story doesn't add up.

As you stated in one of your other threads, you are wise to give up on the Anti Vaccers, especially when you are so ill equipped to be able to defend them in any way, other than fear of Smallpox while dismissing HIV.
BTW, HIV was been around since the 70's, so I get the feelling that it was an issue that you just ignored.

[vadawg]

114. lol You think Hiv is horrifying, mayby to you, but when people are dieing around you from other

causes then Hiv means nothing, much the same as the deaths of people in outer mongolia from the cold mean nothing to you.. You do know that people are still dieing every day from simple illnesses that you would think could be treated.

[Bluenorthwest]

152. What a bitter and horrid thing to say. You do understand that if

others were like you, the proper reaction to your emoting about sickness and death in your family would be 'who cares, they are not mine'?
You are a control freak, and anyone who does not care about the greatest pandemic threat of our time while pretending to care about public health his obviously mining an agenda that has to do with something other than health. \
And Officer Krupkie, it is spelled dying. Not dieing. Dying.

[Ignis]

197. You're right.

Things like "sound {sic} like you have one sick family" and "'Boo Hoo Hoo, Poor Me, I've been there' defense" are indeed bitter and horrid things to say.

[nadinbrzezinski]

199. No HIV has been around since 1931

It was first identified in the 1980s and there is no vaccine for it yet.

SAFE SEX practices is your best choice.

Jeezuz age for somebody who claims to know you don't.

By the way I WAS there in the front lines when AIDS was all the rage... when we health care workers had to learn to use gloves...

Now in your world vaccines are bad. Once again, you want to go back to 1775.

Now I have news for you... 6 billion... care to connect dots with vaccines, and the green revolution?

[Ignis]

201. Uh-oh, now you've done it.

You brought up the Green Revolution, which everyone knows was really a scam by ... well, by SOME shifty Illuminati group, certainly!

:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

210. You may laugh all you want

but it is directly related to the exponential growth of human populations

Don't worry, the starvation will be historic once the oil goes away... yes it is FULLY dependent on the age of oil and we have NOT found any way of producing that much food without it.

I guess you will be happy... as well.

And yes, you may LOL all the way...

[Ignis]

211. You misunderstand my post.

I'm certainly in no hurry to push the clock back to a pre-Industrial era.

But no hard feelings. :hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

212. Oh I am sorry

just that some folks round these parts do.

[Ignis]

215. Scary, isn't it?

The good old days...weren't.

[Nikki Stone1]

30. The nasal virus is live, and the CDC's own website says that there is a .6%-2.4% of spread to others

with the vaccine.

I am not anti-vaccine. I am just telling you a medical fact. For every 500 people at your office, school, etc, 1 or two people will get the disease from someone who has been vaccinated. They can then spread the disease to others. I realize that the nasal spray contains a slightly different (less harmful) version of the disease but it does put it out there. It's a scientific reality. We put up with it because the results without the vaccine would be much more deadly.

But if 30 million Americans get the nasal vaccine, up to 800,000 people can get the disease from them. It's just reality.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Yes it is ATTENUATED LIVE VIRUS

and it is the great MINORITY of vaccines.

You still shed virus for the same week you shed virus if you get it. You still get an ATTENUATED VERSION OF IT. If you are immuno compromised you should not get it... and that is the reason for that.

If you are a health care provider working with immuno compromised patients you should also wait for the jab...

Once again MOST of the vaccines are dead virus, and come in the form of an intra muscular injection. Me, waiting for THAT jab... read underlying conditions and CDC guidelines.

Oh and one more thing, I forgot, the spread of this virus does not match the relatively few nasal vaccines administered, which is what you implied. They are MUCH HIGHER.

[Nikki Stone1]

38. I get it. That's not the issue. The issue is that with every live vaccine, there will be

a relatively small number of people who get the disease from the vaccine itself. It happens every year. The CDC has put it on its website.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. That is known

but you implied that it was spreading due to the vaccine. This is a very small percentage of the disease in the US... and it is spreading like wildfire.

Oh and the very small risk of secondary infection, to use the correct idiom, is preferable to the very real risk of complications if you get the full strength infection. CDC also knows this.

[Nikki Stone1]

45. Of course it's known. You're all acting like it's something I made up! LOL!

And yes, according to the CDC, it is possible that one person in the OP's office got some form of H1N1 from a vaccinated (nasal spray) person and that this one recipient of the disease spread it to the office. It may be weaker than the original, but it still takes a few sick days and take an office down temporarily. And yes, it's better than everyone getting complications from pneumonia and dying, but even a weak version can spread and put people in bed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. From what you posted

Isn't it funny that the disease is spreading at the same time as the widespread vaccination program?***

You are implying that it is spreading due to the vaccination program.

It is spreading FASTER... as in MUCH FASTER than all avaible vaccines in the attenuated version. This is my bone to pick. You implied that it is spreading BECAUSE of the vaccine. So this is my bone. I guess there was a vaccine down in Veracruz where they found Patient Zero back in March.

And that my dear is the bone I pick. A FEW of those sick are due to the ATTENUATED Nasal VACCINE. That is a FEW.... less than 1% of all cases. Is this clear enough for you now?

[Nikki Stone1]

63. Some of the spreading is due to the vaccination program: it's in the numbers.

But I am sure the original disease is spreading all by itself, without any help from the vaccine. I just think it's possible, because of the vaccine shortages, that we are more vulnerable to those who got the nasal vaccine and that 1 or 2 people from every office of 500 will pick up the disease (albeit in a milder form) from someone who got the vaccine. And yes, I think some of the spread is vaccine based. It happens every year with the flu vaccine.

And yeah, I do think that the spread the OP was talking about could be due to the vaccine. Offices are close quarters. Now with a dead vaccine, you don't run into that.

Oh, and I'm not your dear unless you supply me with chocolate and Irish whisky. :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. A SMALL percentage

and that is the point... a very SMALL percentage... indeed.

[Nikki Stone1]

68. A small percentage can be a large number: 2% of 1 million is 20,000.

In LA, we have about 6 million people: let's say half of them get vaccinated.

If 3 million get vaccinated, that's about 60,000 that could catch a milder form of the disease from a person who had the nasal vaccine. These 60,000 people can then spread it to their family members, friends and coworkers who are not vaccinated. If each person spreads it to 1 or 2 other people, you suddenly have 120,000-180,000 infected. That's just the math.

I understand there are a lot of anti-vaccine people on the board, but you can't ignore the negative effects of vaccines, even if they only apply to a small percentage of the population.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

158. That would be millions of people infected with a disease that does NOT cause the flu

and does NOT spread to the lungs. These people would then be fully protected from H1N1.

Of that fraction that is infected, a small percentage reported flu like symptoms that lasted a short time.

[Nikki Stone1]

172. That would be millions of people infected with a milder version

That's all.

[nadinbrzezinski]

164. You'd be right if the percentage of nasal vaccine was that large

but it is not.

MOST OF THE VACCINE IS DEAD VIRUS.

This should not be too hard to comprehend.

They always produce a small percentage of the nasal vaccine for people who absolutely refuse to take the jab or a few other patients who cannot take the jab. I do not know why this is so hard to comprehend.

[Nikki Stone1]

171. So how large is the percentage of the nasal vaccine?

Get me the numbers.

[nadinbrzezinski]

180. Less than five percent of all doses produced

nor is all of it administered every year.

Hell this year for TECHNICAL reasons it is easier to produce than the jab, why it has been offered to health care providers and CHILDREN FIRST.

My brother did not take it, since he DOES WORK with immune suppressed patients, and is waiting for the jab (and kicking himself for not taking it after realizing he was not going to be around those patients for the week)

[uppityperson]

100. Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms

No, they don't get taken down temporarily. No, it isn't putting people in bed, says the CDC. Yes, we are acting like it's something you made up BECAUSE the CDC says "The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms "

[uppityperson]

99. Wrong. Here is what they put on their website, from your quote...

"The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms "

No, they won't get "the disease" from the vaccine itself. The CDC quote says opposite of that.

[Hannah Bell]

220. it says there's a -.6 - 2.4% chance of getting infected with a "weak" form of the h1n1 virus.

The weak form is "unlikely" to cause serious symptoms.

But the weak form is a form of h1n1 or it wouldn't be preventative, would it?

[Barack_America]

131. It spread quite well in the Spring, when no vaccine was available.

And, FYI, it's flu season. Flu tends to spread in flu season.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

156. Oh dear god...

I don't even know where to start.

[Unvanguard]

157. Wow, that's a blatant correlation/causation fallacy if I ever saw one. n/t

[tammywammy]

163. It's been spreading around here BEFORE the vaccine was available

And it's still not available to people that aren't "high risk."

:shrug:

[Deep13]

166. Yeah, no one ever gets the flu in November!

And who has ever heard of it being contagious?!

[dysfunctional press]

10. suggest this to your boss for next flu season-

https://www2.gotomeeting.com/

[rucky]

142. that's what I was thinking.

[Egnever]

11. Just got over it myself

and i gotta say the hoopla was way overblown. it was a mild case of the flu compaired to ones i have had in the past. Though it does seem to be highly contagious. Went through my whole family in a week.

[Critters2]

18. I'm pretty sure I had it two weeks ago. It was way more mild than the

seasonal flu I had last year. I never had a fever with H1N1, and it lasted about 3 days. Some body aches, but otherwise mostly upper respiratory symptoms. Still have a bit of a cough. But compared to the seasonal flu that became pneumonia last year, this was almost pleasant.

[Egnever]

37. almost my exact experience as well

We had our baby tested when he finaly became sick so we know it was H1N1 otherwise i would have highly doubted it.

It is undoubtably highly contageous though it went through my sons entire class as well at school in a little over a week.

[Posteritatis]

23. The hoopla varies; friend of mine spent October in a coma. (nt)

[Egnever]

32. You are right I shouldnt minimize it

it was amazinlgy weak for my whole family, none of us spent more than a day in bed. There are people out there dying from it though.

[Posteritatis]

36. Yeah, I know quite a few people just mildly inconvenienced

A few got pretty sick, and my friend's still in his sixth week in the hospital now (though he's out of the woods at this point). Even not taking him into account it's been an ugly flu season so far, though. On this side of the border I'm running out of adjectives to describe my reaction to what it's doing to the First Nations population, though. (In my province they're prioritized to get the vaccine before anyone else, and even though I qualify as at-risk I completely don't mind, all things considered.)

[Egnever]

41. What I did find amazing was how quickly it spread.

I took my 5 year old to class and there were a couple of kids out a day or two later he was sick by the time we brought him back to class nearly the entire class had contracted it including the teacher. Well i shouldnt make that leap as I dont know if they were tested for it. however in the course of a week nearly his entire class called out sick. I assume thats where we got it from as he was the first to get ill.

[Posteritatis]

50. It's been like that here

It just ripped the school system to bits - thirty, forty, fifty percent absenteeism, and most of that genuine illness of one level or another in plenty of the schools here. Few serious cases, thank goodness, but still quite enough of those.

Even if this was a completely mundane flu in all other respects, the speed alone would be shocking.

[Egnever]

58. Yup the speed is definitely shocking

and i said to my wife early actually that while it was very mild for us I do suppose its voracity indeed qualifies it as pandemic in my eyes. I don't think i have ever seen any sickness travel so fast.

[Posteritatis]

62. Me neither - even taking folks staying home at the least excuse, this is impressive. (nt)

[Barack_America]

130. 3 people had minor symptoms. One ended up in the ER.

It seems to affect some people more than others. Why, we don't know, but it probably has to do with a certain immune system make up.

Even a 25% chance of hospitalization is too much, IMO. I'm very glad I got the shot.

[The Backlash Cometh]

143. Stress and care givers.

Mayor factors.

Also, I don't think this flu is hitting people exactly the same. I didn't have constant vomiting and I didn't get a sore throat. I also didn't develop mayor lung problems. Most of my trouble was sinus related, but the other symptoms were also present. Achiness, fatigue, disorientation, fever, cough that never developed into anything after I began taking Tamiflu...

[redwitch]

132. Why did this thread turn so ugly?

I really don't understand. :-(

Glad the vaccine has kept you healthy and I hope your coworkers recover soon.

[Barack_America]

136. Because I said the "V" word.

And that's always good for a flame war between the conspiracy nuts and the rationalists.

Thanks for your wishes. Everyone is back at work except the guy who ended up in the ER. He is still having to bring down his temp with Tylenol. We corresponded by e-mail yesterday and he said he honestly has no idea when he'll be able to come back.

[redwitch]

139. Poor guy.

I hope he is back to health soon.

[The Backlash Cometh]

145. This also happened to a friend.

A fever which would not go down on its own. She worked it out using the old ice bath trick. Takes three immersions. Worked very well for her.

[Ms. Toad]

178. That's why.

If the "V" word or the "A" word is mentioned (even in an entirely different context) it quickly becomes impossible to have a rational conversation.

[Odin2005]

146. The anti-vaccine lunatics.

[Robb]

150. Looks fine to me!

...Although I have no idea what "Ignored" is going on and on about, everyone else seems quite sensible. :D

[redwitch]

154. Wise man!

Who ever said you were a dingbat?

[Robb]

155. *Everybody*.

...And they're right. :hi:

[closeupready]

162. Yup. Same here. Ignored made about half the posts in this thread.

Shees. Give someone else a chance, Ignored. :D

[Ignis]

181. You're missing out on comedy gold.

We have a movie mash-up of The Road to Wellville meets Bad Lieutenant upthread.

[Barack_America]

189. And here I was thinking I had posted an innocuous OP.

But I guess truly nothing is innocuous on DU.

[Ignis]

195. Innocuous...wait, like inoculation?!? Damn you pro-vaxxers!

I kid! I kid!

:hide:

[gkhouston]

192. Yup. And apparently sponsored by the Society for Non-sequiturs in White Wine Sauce. n/t

[Ignis]

196. Heretic! Only RED Wine Sauce offers TRUE salvation!

:spank:

[closeupready]

161. This flu is an opportunity for some in some industries to make a killing in sales

(no pun intended, lol).

[butterfly77]

147. I'm still not taking it..

[Barack_America]

149. Hopefully your symptoms will not be life-threatening.

Trust me, the way this thing spreads, you will get it.

I've never seen anything spread like this.

[butterfly77]

151. Well, I will just deal with it..

I had the swine flu in the 70"s. I hardly ever get a cold or the flu and a few years ago I let my doctor talk me into a flu shot the next few days I had the flu and every since then I have a problem with eating eggs,sometimes I throw up

[Bluenorthwest]

153. I'm still meditating on the fact that your boss

in a medical center came to work sick. What the hell is that about? Seems like a great reason to avoid the medical world during this time to me.
And at what point will there be enough vaccine for everyone? Because that is the day to start berating people for not taking it. If there is not enough for all, be glad that some do not want it. Is there enough? Or is it good that some wish to take the risk and skip it?

[Name removed]

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[Barack_America]

176. I was the only person to get the shot.

And the only person who didn't get sick.

I felt pretty sluggish after getting the shot, but my symptoms were nothing compared to what everyone else suffered in actually getting H1N1.

[Ignis]

175. Glad to hear you dodged that bullet, B_A.

Hope the rest of your team gets well soon! :hi:

[Matariki]

179. your boss is an asshole

people think they're being heroic going to work when they're sick, but they're really just being selfish jerks. workplaces that reward people for that sort of behavior are despicable. i blame it on america's idiotic puritan forebears.

moral of your post - if you're sick, stay home and recuperate.

[Barack_America]

183. He's actually a great guy.

The best boss I'll probably ever have, in fact.

He just made a mistake.

I don't think he realized how sick he was either.

My colleague was counting on his feedback and he didn't want to let him down.

The meeting was scheduled months in advance.

[Matariki]

186. I'm sure he is.

That's a pet peeve of mine and I lashed out. It really does seem that coming to work sick is subtly (or overtly) rewarded. Consequently, in closed office buildings it makes everyone vulnerable - as well as their partners, spouses and children as well. That's a worse 'let down' for your coworkers than missing a meeting.

[Barack_America]

187. Yes, it is. FWIW he took the rest of the week off.

But the damage had already been done, unfortunately.

He even tried to sequester himself in the meeting room, but the virus seems to be crazy airborne. I was sitting closest to him, so I'm realllly glad I got the vaccine.

[Jennicut]

184. My kids are getting their vaccines tomorrow.

I have to wait for the shot form as I have diabetes (no mist allowed for me). I wish they would have it soon as I am in the high risk category. Oh well.

[greenman3610]

193. I got the H1N1 in the right shoulder

and the seasonal flu in the left.
Can't afford to get sick.
No adverse reactions so far.

[joshcryer]

203. Whoa, are you *the* greenman3610 (YouTube)? If so I *love* your channel.

One of the few I am subscribed to. Glad you're staying healthy!

[Barack_America]

209. Awesome. I got them in exactly the opposite order.

And I'm obviously very glad I did.

[tandot]

214. So did I - got it 8 days ago and no reactions

I've read that it protects after 8 - 10 days. My kiddo is too young to get the vaccine so we had to make sure that we don't get the flu and pass it on to him

[barbtries]

200. good to know

thanks for posting.

i just read this thread and my head is spinning. i got the h1n1 shot for my son on Saturday, he's 17. they were out of the seasonal. i'm not in a priority category and they were only giving the h1n1 to people on the list. and they were almost out of it already.

i've never had a flu shot. the last two years in January i got sick and thought this year i'll do it. so the irony is i haven't been able to do it.

i'm surprised i haven't gotten the flu yet, it''s been in my house and all over at work. but over the course of my lifetime i think i've had every bug that passed through. maybe i'm already immune to this one. sigh.

[MadMaddie]

202. That was irresponsible of your boss. That's what

teleconferencing is for, he put the whole office at risk of exposure. Lost time, lost$$$.

Glad you are okay and I hope your co-workers are okay.


We have been told by HR to stay home if we are sick.

[Barack_America]

205. Yeah. I wish we were set up for that.

And thanks very much for the well-wishes. I'll be sure to let my colleague know that people he doesn't know on the internet are pulling for him. It's pretty cool, after all!

[MadMaddie]

207. You definitely could present a business case of why it would

be economical to get a Teleconferencing system set-up. AT&T is the service we use.

[Robb]

213. Interestingly, I sat in on some tabletop pandemic exercises my old county put on

...It's really a complicated subject, how you go about doing your day-to-day if, for example, everyone needs to stay home.

Everyone from the county commissioners to clerks, talking about what they do in a given day and how they would do it if nothing could be done face-to-face. What they'd need from their desk, etc. It was illuminating how much prep was needed in a tiny county to pull it off, even for a few weeks. Los Angeles would be a logistical problem that would dwarf overseas warfare.

[MadMaddie]

216. I am taking a graduate on-line certificate program

for Emergency Management, this is my first quarter. It is a facinating topic. I think our communities definitly need to be planning for these type of situations.

[Fleshdancer]

217. Exactly

This was my first thought as well. My heart goes out to the sick co-workers - last time I checked, getting infected by your boss is never in the job description. I'm glad the original poster is ok.