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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 11:33 AM
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Clinton Tries To Spin Afghan Runoff Fiasco
Edited on Sat Oct-31-09 11:43 AM by G_j
http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2009/10/clinton-tries-to-spin-afghan-runoff-fiasco.html


October 31, 2009

Clinton Tries To Spin Afghan Runoff Fiasco

By Steve Hynd

Alternative post title: Spin, Spin As Fast As You Can...

Yesterday, the BBC spoke to opposition candidate Abdullah Abdullah's senior adviser Ahmed Wali Massoud about the Afghan election run-off. He confirmed other reports by not-too-anonymous Western diplomats that Abdullah was thinking about dropping out of the race over fraud concerns.

"The fact is that the infrastructure of this fraud is still there. Almost 1.5 million votes were rigged. Nothing has changed," he told the BBC.

"So if you go back and do the second round election, it means that it will happen again. So, therefore, I don't think that we would be willing to participate."

A final announcement by Abdullah is expected Sunday. Which means that, behind the scenes, SUV-loads of Western bigwigs will be beating a path to his door trying desperately to salvage the elections that they all said before the fact would establish the legitimacy of the U.S.-led military presence there.

It's likely that those same bigwigs have also been whispering in President Karzai's ear about the need to preserve a whisp of due process. His tame electoral body,the I.E.C., has said that it's too late for Abdullah to withdraw even if he wanted to. But with Abdullah reportedly having already stopped campaigning, its a very thin whisp indeed to hang an occupation by over 100,000 troops on.

So Secretary Clinton is in full spin mode:

Clinton, who was asked whether the outcome of a run-off with only one candidate would result in a legitimate government, said such situations are "not unprecedented" and occur in the United States and other countries.

"We see that happen in our own country where, for whatever combination of reasons, one of the candidates decides not to go forward. I don't think it has anything to do with the legitimacy of the election," she said.


The notion that the Afghan election has anything in common with U.S. elections, even with Diebold's fabled help, is ridiculous. Abdullah, if he withdraws, will do so because of widespread, rampant and open fraud by even the IEC's own members, with the aquiesence of the UN's watchdog body. Karzai was parachuted in by the U.S. as a puppet and has only recently shaken of some of his strings - much to American consternation. Oh yeah - and there's a war on!

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 11:42 AM
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1. They can't spin that as legitimate. And, the Afghan people won't buy it.
Without a legitimate, respected and recognized authority in Kabul, the only was to ensure stability is through police and military actions. This will make it a helluva lot worse. The ethnic divisions will further. And, out troops will be targets for all sides, in the middle of the mess.

This isn't something we can hold together.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:04 PM
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6. a legitimate 'runoff' election is absolutely impossible
Edited on Sat Oct-31-09 01:05 PM by G_j
it can't happen in the present climate of violence and corruption.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 11:47 AM
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2. Sorry, but Clinton's silence in 2000, 2002, and 2004 gives her little credibility
with me regarding her opinion on elections. It doesn't help that her husband "expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy" despite the Kazakh leader being a suppressor of political dissent. I am also bothered by her close associate James Carville's role in the 2004 election theft in Ohio.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 11:56 AM
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3. I saw a clip of Clinton's comments, and my jaw dropped!
thus, I searched for the quote, and no, I wasn't hearing things.
She must think there are mostly idiots out here. How can she honestly expect anyone to believe that BS?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 03:45 PM
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9. She doesn't think it, she knows it.
Edited on Sat Oct-31-09 03:56 PM by BeHereNow
The majority of Americans ARE idiots, by CHOICE, and proud of it.
How else can anyone explain our collective situation
and people like Glen Beck on a national network, WITH a following
of idiot viewers who question nothing?

I know it's depressing, but it is reality.

BHN
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 04:09 PM
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10. it is.. nt
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 11:57 AM
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4. She speaks for Obama
Lest we forget
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 12:15 PM
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5. Wow!!! What great conspiracies! Why didn't Kerry fight Ohio? Is he in on it too???
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 02:00 PM
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7. how many others find HRC's comments to be outrageous? nt
Edited on Sat Oct-31-09 02:34 PM by G_j
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 03:40 PM
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8. I do
:hi:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 04:10 PM
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11. Me. Absurdity, really.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 04:27 PM
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12. I think people are missing the message here
It so clear for her statement, that we are NOT supporting democracy in Afghanistan, and could really care less.

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