A Reminder: Dennis Kucinich will be on the Ed Show tonight.

[mmonk]

My DVR is ready.

[taterguy]

1. Why is Kucinich appearing on a show about a talking horse?

[mmonk]

2. Mr Ed's vet charges too much.

[mzmolly]

3. I'd love to see Dean on with him.

Dennis always makes me feel badly about making progress. ;)

[mmonk]

5. I hope the progress can get us half the way there

to advanced countries in my lifetime (and I don't have an expensive illness in the meantime). I want to leave my sons the fruits of my labor.

[mzmolly]

13. I hope we'll stop demanding perfection

and help people who have expensive illnesses right now. I'm glad that this bill has the support of progressives like Grayson and Dean.

[eridani]

17. Impoverishing them doesn't help them. n/t

[mzmolly]

18. Thus the subsidies

I imagine?

[eridani]

20. Thus the fine print, which you need to pay attention to.

The subsidies are subject to being slashed at any time.

http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=10642&zzz=39653
...exchange subsidies would be automatically adjusted to avoid the estimated increase in the deficit for that year. ... estimates of the deficit impact for the proposal, the failsafe provisions would require a reduction in exchange subsidies averaging about 15 percent during the years 2015 through 2018.

[mzmolly]

21. This is the Baucus version.

There were five senate versions and a house version which will have to be reconciled before we know the final results.

[eridani]

22. Given that every permutation has weakened each bill, people of modest incomes still get shit on

Particularly if they are over 55, what with the ethically vile age discrimination written write into the law. Using the Kaiser Family Foundation calculator, even with the HR 3200 subsidy my discretionary incom is mostly eliminated.

[mzmolly]

23. I heard that a family of four can make up to 88K

and still get subsidized?

[eridani]

24. This is useless if any of the four are old

The subsidies nowhere near compensate for the allowed age discrimination.

[mzmolly]

26. How old?

However and again, we don't have a final bill.

[eridani]

27. Over 55. And EVERY SINGLE bill legalizes age discrimination n/t

[mzmolly]

28. If true,

that's horrible. Do you have a link or something?

[eridani]

29. Below. AARP has just endorsed a multiple of 2

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martha-burk/aarps-bait-and-switch-on_b_235766.html

Baucus would allow them to charge us up to 5 times as much. Either way, even with subsidies, my discretionary income vanishes. Baucus would put me into permanent debt.

[mzmolly]

30. Let's hope we don't go with

the Baucus plan.

[eridani]

31. The Baucus plan allows 5/1 age ratings. All other plans propose 2/1

Any age rating at all is unacceptable discrimination.

[mzmolly]

32. Unfortunately age is a factor

when it comes to insurance ... which is why I'd like to see an actual "robust" public option. Think about how much more young drivers pay for car insurance? Think about the fact that young men pay more for auto insurance based upon gender?

[sabrina 1]

4. Thanks for the reminder.

Heard what he said yesterday and as always, he was so right. I was disappointed in Dean, who knows Dennis is right, for not supporting him fully.

Party Politics is so bad for this country. The FF were right when they worried about a two party system. We are seeing the reason why now. I love Dean, and I hate to tell him, he won't get any pats on the back from the party leadership for standing by them right now. It's become clear that you may as well go by your conscience as Kucinich does, or you have to go all the way, as Obama has, and lose your principles altogether.

[slay]

12. Yeah I'm always interested in Dennis's take on things

He most always right. I've got my DVR set. :hi:

[HamdenRice]

6. I'd rather Dennis work late at the office and try to actually write a bill that gets passed

If he could accomplish just one thing, I'd take him more seriously.

But he does write good press releases -- I'll give him that.

[bluestateguy]

7. He's a demagogue

And more like a conventional politician than either he or his legions of butt kissers will ever admit.

[mmonk]

10. I'll take a demogogue with the right message than a do'er

loaded down with corporate cash that gets bad bills through any day.

[sabrina 1]

15. Strange statement to see on a Democratic board from you.

Dennis has the best bill before the House for the people right now. The only one even worth considering. But his colleagues have been bought by the Insurance Industry and do not dare sign on to a bill that is FOR the people. No one works harder for the interests of the American people for less financial gain.



I see you support the buying of our so-called Representatives. Which makes you part of the tragic problem we have of being the only industrialized country that allows its citizens to die for profit.

Go Dennis. He deserves even more respect for holding on to his principles in the current climate of 'profit before lives' rather than join the 'successful' Democrats, like Blue Dogs Baucus and Bayh and Nelson. That is if you consider stuffing your pockets with Corporation money while selling out the people you represent.

Why are there people on a progressive board who so despise real Democrats and their efforts to do the job they were elected to do? They were not elected to enrich themselves. They were elected to do what Kucinich is doing.

Kucinich is ahead of his time. The people are growing more and more sick of the Reps YOU respect. And, sooner or later, as has happened throughout history, this period of greed and profiteering will end and people like Kucinich will have helped to make it happen.

Thanks to Dennis for all he does. If only we had more of him ~

[HamdenRice]

16. Your disgusting advocacy of the killing of baby arctic seals for their fur is revolting

You wrote:

"I see you support the buying of our so-called Representatives"

That is, perhaps, the single silliest and most pathetic of many pathetic DU rhetorical "tricks" -- if you disagree, then you support X repulsive policy.

By that measure, I can assume that you are one of those horrible people who APPLAUDS the slaughter of baby arctic seals by clubbing to death, and the stripping of their fur while they are still alive.

How can you be such a repulsive, inhumane cretin?

Now that we've established that you support the slaughter of baby arctic seals, as well as the Alaska wolf hunt and the dumping of nuclear waste in African villages, let's get to the crux of the problem with Dennis.

Dennis is a Representative and has the power to accomplish a lot, including carrying out investigations -- even if he doesn't have a committee chairmanship or the support of his colleagues.

Kucinich promised a lot of investigation during the Bush years if there was a Democratic majority and he has done ZERO. In fact, you look at his "accomplishments" and it consists of lots of press releases, speeches, promises, unrealistic, poorly drafted legislation with a snowball's chance in hell of getting passed, and dissing his own party.

I've concluded that Dennis is full of shit.

[sabrina 1]

19. Obama promised lots of things also, like

stopping government spying on the American people. No mandated insurance, an end to the war in Iraq etc. etc. and he is in a far better position to make those things happen, than Kucinich.

No doubt, Kucinich has learned what we are all learning, that a Dem majority doesn't mean a thing when it comes to the big issues. They are, most of them, bought by corporate intesests just like the Republicans.

I judge people by their votes. That's where a member of Congress can best make his or her voice heard.

Weiner eg, doesn't agree with you that Kucinich's Health Care bill is 'poorly drafted legislation' and reading your angry, disjointed, senseless rants that sound way too similar to what I've heard and seen on radical rightwing boards, I think I'll go with Weiner's opinion of Kucinich's bills.

You can conclude what you want, as can tea-baggers and blue dogs et al. Wrong conclusions abound on the internet. But Dennis Kucinich has been right on all the important issues of the past eight years and he has voted accordingly. That makes him far less full of shit than even Obama at this point.

[timzi]

8. Ooooops

posted the same info....oh well

[mmonk]

9. As many reminders as possible will be good, no?

[slay]

14. Always good to get people to tune and and see Dennis

you know - what a real congressman should act like. K&R for Dennis!

[slay]

11. K&R - Message I got from Dennis's office say his segment will air on The Ed Show at

6:30 eastern on MSNBC. Go Dennis!

[mullard12ax7]

25. Is that on hulu or are you buying me cable?

I stopped paying for propaganda a few years ago but if you'd like to finance the upcoming NBA season for me I wouldn't object, LOL.