Can we get our facts straight about the public option?

[SpartanDem]

Why is the lie the that the public option in the HOUSE bill is not open to everyone still floating around? The language for the house version has been out for months, yet there's still idiotic yammering how it's not a real public READ THE DAMN BILL Section 411. If you don't like what your employer is giving you can decline it go the exchange and get the public option. What is true the Senate version of the exhange and therefore the public option is walled off to those without employer coverage or if that coverage doesn't meet cost requirements. We should be fighting to make sure that this survives, but there's more whining about how bad it is. I think it'd be pretty bad if we lost out on this, due to the ignorance of people not knowing there something was worth fighting for in this bill.

CONTRIBUTION IN LIEU OF COVERAGE.— Beginning with Y2, if an employee declines such
offer but otherwise obtains coverage in an Exchange participating health benefits plan (other than by reason of being covered by family coverage as a spouseor dependent of the primary insured), the employer shall make a timely contribution to the Health Insurance Exchange with respect to each such employee in accordance with section 413.

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

[Ruby the Liberal]

1. I thought that was only for employers with less than 25 employees

and a $500k payroll to start then phasing in 100 employees then all.

[derby378]

3. That's my understanding, too

I'm employed full-time. Does the House version of the option allow me to ditch my current insurance in favor of the government option, or I am stuck?

[SpartanDem]

9. As long as you drop your coverage yes

HR 3200 says if you're not "enrolled" and the section in my OP deals with what happens when you decline contrast that to the HELP bill(s 1679) if you're "eligible" for coverage. There is a very big difference between those two words.


(B) is not enrolled in coverage as a full-time employee (or as a dependent of such an employee) under a group health plan if the coverage and an employer contribution under the plan meet the requirements of section 312.



EMPLOYEES WITHOUT AFFORDABLE COVERAGE- An individual who is eligible for employer-sponsored coverage shall be deemed to be a qualified individual under subparagraph (A) only if such coverage--

`(i) does not meet the criteria established under section 3103 for minimum qualifying coverage; or

`(ii) is not affordable (as such term is defined by the Secretary under section 3103) for such employee.

[SpartanDem]

4. It's open to all individuals

but for employers you're right it's limited to like 20 employee for the first couple of years and then it'd be up HHS discretion to open it more businesses.

[Ozymanithrax]

7. 100 employees...

7 (4) SMALL EMPLOYER DEFINED.—In this sub8
section, the term ‘‘small employer’’ means an em9
ployer with less than 100 employees.

[John Q. Citizen]

2. Why it's so great that health insurance stocks are going through the roof! Why?

Because we get to pay them and their investors the money that should be going instead into health care.

I'm not stupid.

I know if this bill is good for the insurerors that it's bad for me.

Or is what's good for Aetna now good for the country?

Sorry, I'm just a little depressed that a majority of our elected party are bought and paid for whores for the insurance industry.

It's obvious to me, even if you don't want to see it.

[Peacetrain]

5. That bill has been posted for months..

:hi:

[eleny]

6. .

:kick:

[PHIMG]

8. Catipulate that propoganda!

Yes, yes...the public option is still there...it's still great..... you Progressives, this watered down POS is why you elected OBAMA.... we need a bill with that PRIVATE MANDATE so the Insurance Companies get thier bailout and sold out Democrats keep getting those campaign donations.

BS in BS out. Washington Politicians can't get healthcare done right. THE PEOPLE HAVE TO DEMAND REAL REFORM.

Medicare for all. Anything else is a joke. We've been had.

Don't listen to partisans who put party before sick people.

Baucus-Pelosicare is a joke!

MEDICARE FOR ALL NOW.

[SpartanDem]

10. There is only one thing missing from your argument...facts