Opt Out - "none of them will and they know it" - Joe Scarborough

[LVZ]

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[DrDan]

1. it provides some cover for the blue dogs . . .

[Fumesucker]

2. And how often is Scarborough correct?

That man doesn't say a damn thing that isn't calculated for some right wing political effect.

[LVZ]

29. Does it matter? Even a broken clock is right twice each day. n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

3. Let's all Opt Out on Mourning Joe Scarborough's pubathons

FOX Lite...

[MadHound]

4. Yeah, right, whatever.

I can guarantee at least fifteen-twenty states will opt out. This is simply whistling pass the graveyard in an attempt to bring reluctant voters on board.

[whathehell]

7. I'm not sure of that...If, as planned, it runs for a year,

that gives people a chance to see its advantages.

[MadHound]

9. It is going to take at least a year for some states to pass it

Trust me, I live in one of those states. We won't see the advantages, just a political football match that the people ultimately lose.

[Bonn1997]

15. Are you sure it has to be passed by the states to after being passed by the US Congress and signed

by our President?

[CTyankee]

21. That IS crazy. This is not a constitutional amendment that needs 2/3 of the Congress

and then passage by 3/4 of the states legislatures. This is straight up legislation that creates a public entity and also that regulates the health insurance industry's most egregious practices.

[Bonn1997]

30. That's what I thought too. Maybe I'm just misinterpreting MadHound's comment

[emulatorloo]

8. Yeah? If so it will probably go as well as it did when Sanford tried to "opt out" of the stimulus.

In other words, Sanford looked like an idiot and South Carolina took the stimulus money.

[MadHound]

10. This isn't a big fat check being dangled in front of people,

This has become a battle of political ideologies, and it will be fought throughout the country, state by state. Any many states will opt out.

Sad what people are willing to settle for. Even though we've got the White House, a large majority in both houses of Congress, we're still will to settle for a POS and call it good.

[emulatorloo]

13. I trust that voters are going to choose healthcare over ideologues. But time will tell.

As far as I can tell only hardline teabaggers oppose this. If it is working in other states, sane people will want it.

[emulatorloo]

16. MannyGoldstein has a good analysis of why it will be difficult for Red Governors etc to "opt out"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6863357&mesg_id=6863357

<SNIP>

Look:

70% of Americans want a public option for health insurance. 70% is a lopsided number - anything above 67% in a poll is a total blowout.

At 70% nationwide, it's likely that most people in all states want the public option.

So, the pols in each state, even the batshit crazy states, have a choice to make:

1. Vote against the public option and be electorally eviscerated when it comes time for re-election, or
2. Vote for the thing.

In the end, the public option means cheaper health care, and no politician (unless they have teh Super Crazy) wants to be between a voter and a clear shot at saving a buck.

<SNIP>

[LVZ]

20. Besides, with a year in-place , taking away benefits is political suicide n/t

[Javaman]

28. I believed that too, until someone pointed out...

They can't opt out unless they come up with an alternate plan to cover their uninsured.

Some of the red states have the highest number of uninsured. I like Texas for example.

They won't opt out.

[whathehell]

5. If none of them opt out...That means it's a Winner !

Just not for Joe's Corporate Interests...Effin' tool:mad:

[ErinBerin84]

6. Joe's especially pissy this morning

One day we'll see him wandering the streets muttering to himself about his time in Congress, wearing that fleece and no pants or something.

[SoFlaJet]

11. Joe's ALMOST right

I can see maybe 4 states opting out and it's residents either too poisoned politically or too stupid to care. Off the top of my head I'll say Texas 9of course), Alabama, Mississippi, and maybe like Wyoming. It really is a brilliant strategy because any RW governor that tries it will be putting his or her head in a noose and teetering on a tipping chair.

[LVZ]

14. Yep, Governors who opt out face real peril at the next election n/t

[ejpoeta]

12. on the positive side... even if states opt out.... if the people in THOSE states

see other states with the public option with costs down and having access, then i think there will be a big bunch of people demanding they have access to it too. Especially if there is a mandate for insurance. Especially considering that people lucky enough to still have jobs aren't getting raises and their insurance choices are going down the crapshoot. I would prefer we have access to medicare and fix medicare instead of having a separate entity. Then those of us who choose to buy into medicare are putting money into that system which most of us won't need to use. But i can understand why they wouldn't want to do that. people know and understand medicare and wouldn't be afraid of it. and it sure seems like our 'representatives' are trying to kill anything that would actually do anything to help US.... no, not all our representatives.... but the ones that are fighting against any actual competition that would force health insurance companies to cut costs and provide a service.

[DonCoquixote]

17. Not quite

As a Florida resident, I would say we would pass it (if only because the powers that be know the Senior Vote will break legs if they do not get what they want), however, a lot of Dixie will refuse it because the churches will tell them to.

[Billy Burnett]

24. The Florida legislature has a "No P.O." bill already in the works.

They are planning on a preemptive defense.
Crist will sign it. He's outta here, and, having zero concern for Floridians, a no p.o. vote will add to his RW credentials. (This is a wingnut gay governor who supports DOMA, and supports Florida's ban on gay adoption.)

I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if Opt Out is what we end up with, then Florida will be among the first to opt out.

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. Mika Mouse has a hangover and is drinking coffee and something else

Her head is bobbing more than usual and has some shakes plus she has both acoffee and a 'smoothie' she's dipping into......

I watch the show on the internet with the sound turned off. So watching
the show without sound reveals certain things that sound will distract you from.


"The faculties become refined when you starve them''

Sherlock Holmes

[Fumesucker]

25. "The faculties become refined when you starve them''

I was a big Holmes fan when I was a kid, I'd forgotten that quote.

Thanks..

[Lyric]

19. Didn't Pawlenty already pre-emptively opt-out?

:shrug:

[CTyankee]

23. Let's see how that works for him...nt

[CTyankee]

22. Boy, was Joey on a RANT this morning! Whew, he's mad cuz yesterday he was

so smarmy smug on the certainty of the trigger instead of opt out. Reid's comments yesterday must've blown the hinges off of Joe...Reid made him look like an idiot...heh, heh.

[Rudy Adams]

26. Joe Scarborough gets one right

Get religion quick, for the End is Nigh!

[LVZ]

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