Baby makers - (Warning - Barf Alert)

[FreakinDJ]

Baby makers

Preaching patriarchy and procreation, Quiverfull and like-minded groups live by the (good) book
By Sena Christian and Ted Cox

West Sacramento resident Theron Johnson has a vision for an ideal society. In it, racism is eliminated. The United States disbands its large standing army and refrains from engaging in unjust wars. People live within their means and accrue no debt. The weak are protected, taxes lowered and inflation is considered theft. Government agencies stop encroaching on our daily lives, doing little more than protecting homes and property from fire or theft. Personal liberty and freedom reign supreme.

In his ideal society, women do not have the right to vote.

Male politicians fill government posts, as women seek higher personal meaning through submission to their husbands. Parents raise little girls not to attend college but to marry godly men and bear as many children as the lord gives them. Abortion, same-sex marriage and divorce: illegal.

This, to Johnson, is a Christian society.


Eight is not enough? Quiverfull members Theron and AnneMarie Johnson have seven kids of their own and have adopted one other. If they follow their religion’s teachings, more may be on the way.
PHOTO BY KYLE MONK

http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/content?oid=1304920

These people are disqusting

[Mugweed]

1. ahhh, overpopulation

It's good to breed like cockroaches. Gawd told me so.
At least adoption is in this mix, which is more than I can say for most anti-choice proponents.

[Lint Head]

2. This is all about having a partner that will have sex with you at

your will. It is 'Control Freak Heaven'. Calling it Christian is a major stretch. It's the use of fear, that you will die and go to hell, to be punished by Satan if you do not comply.

This is more than warped it's evil. Jesus said, "Many will come in my name and many will be deceived."
These people are just some of the "many".

[glowing]

3. honestly, I see a lot of women who take this route, not because they are

idiots or incompetant, but because they just want to be at home. It is not easy working, raising children, cleaning, cooking, and running around all week. AND yes men do help, but still not enough. I'm def. raising my son to do everything I do so he can and will do it when he's older. His father does cook really well, so that's a big relief. Time management with a family is really hard. Honestly, time "at work" needs to be decreased, while the amt of money to live increases to adequate needs. More vacation time, socialized daycare, maternity leave for both parents, and socialized healthcare would help women and men in their family functions much better. Perhaps divorces would decline.. Abortions would decline... Children would be watched properly.. and stress would be relieved. Should we drop our military programs just by half, we could have all of these things and more.

[FreakinDJ]

4. Not to mention - HUGE Distortion of the Bible

if I remember right KKK leaders claimed they had a "Divine Right" as outlined by the Bible

I'm not anti-religion, just anti twist the meaning of the Bible around to mean some thing completely different then it intended

[glowing]

6. I wasn't commenting so much on the bible and its men rule crowd as so much

women allowing men to thump and dump their idiot ideas around about it because its easier for them to play at the "little woman" than run around like a mad woman. I do know people who seem to stay permanently preggo so they don't have to go back to the daily grind.. and no they aren't friends.

AND there are some women who are brain washed into this crap.. that's the danger of using God and beliefs and some man-written bible to indoctrinate people. AND what do they think about Michelle Bachman and Palin being in political roles and in these "man" positions. I thought they loved them. So even the brainwashed still think its great to see women like themselves have a seat at the table.

[FreakinDJ]

12. It makes you wonder how they interact with "Normal People"

Is he the kind of person who engages in "character assassination at work" if you disagree with his religious/political views. Regardless of the teachings of the Bible towards your fellow man.

Is she the type who runs around with "blinders on" doing her best to live the lie, all the while her children suffering irreversible physiological damage from her/his actions and philosophy being thrust upon them.

This is the impression I get, and my experience from dealing with people like that.

[glowing]

16. Its really hard to go against nature.. and that's what conforming into a pre-set

box does.. Its from these homes that have the most disfunctional children. There's nothing wrong with some Sunday school and learning to be kind and not lie.. or playing mary and joseph in the X-mas play.. its when a church gets to involved in the day to day lives of its attendees that bother's me. It becomes hypocritical.. I'm better mentality, even though they do the same shitty rubbish everyone does. I prefer a "spritiual" connection in the middle of a field looking up at the night sky.. That too me would be the truer idea of God and beauty and simplicity with broad complexities.. More people should look up than down..

[lunatica]

13. But you get to vote right?

As long as it's your choice no one has a problem with it. I chose to be a stay at home mom and don't regret it. But would you feel the same if you had to do it and give up your rights too?

[glowing]

17. No. In a heartbeat, if I could, I would choose to be a stay at home mom

at this time and work on my masters on the side. I wouldn't want to give up my freedoms for a life like that.. some women would. My step son's mother is one.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. i think very few women would give up their right to vote, even if they dont exercise the right

same w. right to work

[Hippo_Tron]

36. Half... a quarter would give us more than enough

[Odin2005]

5. Ugh, this shit makes me nauseous.

:puke:

[tmyers09]

7. Sick...

Sick to my stomach? Oh yeah.

[LeftHander]

8. Watch them destroy their gay child.

With that many kids one will be gay. Their ignorance will cast another LGBT kid into the streets.

[FreakinDJ]

14. A sad reality

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. not to mention their female children.

[paparush]

9. Ididocracy - We're living it folks.

[lunatica]

10. Let me guess. Who makes the rules up?

[Berry Cool]

11. I don't worry about these people.

I don't agree with what they're doing, and I feel sorry for their kids, but I don't worry about them ever taking over the country or the world like they think they will.

Mere quantity alone is never going to win them anything. They think that all they have to do is pump out truckloads of children and train them to think just like they do, and eventually they will conquer the earth. They're wrong. For one thing--and this is just one--the girls are naturally going to rebel. They are not all going to stand for being told their responsibility in life is to subvert their own desires in life and dedicate themselves to having and raising children and keeping men in line. They just aren't. The "No Longer Quivering" woman's experiences, and those of her daughter who began to cut herself, are proof.

I find them quite contradictory, actually. As one of the commenters says, these people supposedly don't even believe women should vote--yet they like Sarah Palin and voted for her to be vice president? What hypocrisy. If they really believed women have no place in public life, they would not even be voting for a "do as I say, not as I do" figure like Palin who claims to be so devoted to her children yet wanted to be vice president. Second, they advocate a philosophy of personal responsibility--but it appears that personal responsibility extends only to the females, who are held responsible not only for their own behavior but for that of the men and boys in their lives. If the males fall short in their personal conduct, somehow the females are to blame for not sufficiently following God's law for their lives, which would "naturally" make the men behave properly in their roles as women's "protectors" or whatever. Well, it should be quite easy for the girls they raise to see that as a lot of nonsense, even if the grown women never do (and who's saying they won't?).

There's something deeply wrong in a world in which racism doesn't exist but sexism is perfectly OK, in which men are responsible for nothing they do because all their sinning can be laid at the feet of women. And the women who feel the injustice will leave.

Oh, and another thing: Groups of self-righteous people who think they have the monopoly on truth tend by nature to develop lots of splits and fissures. Why? Because each individual thinks he or she has the one absolute, perfect, correct idea for how to live according to the true principles of the self-righteous group in question. They will claim it's not them coming up with this stuff on their own--that "God" is "guiding" them or "telling" them what is best--but that's what it is, ornery individual opinion. As a result, these types of groups always split into smaller ones, with each group operating under a slightly different set of rules that makes it believe it is holier than the rest, and also setting it up in opposition to the rest. You can even see it in this article--one guy thinks his group isn't quite following the Bible to the letter on this point, so he splits off and forms his own group. No one needs to "divide and conquer" them; they divide and conquer themselves. And so long as they are not a single united front, but a bunch of different splintery little sects each with its own belief system, they will never develop any real clout.

[Soylent Brice]

15. when does their show on TLC air?

[LeftinOH]

18. 'The Handmaid's Tale' (1985) by Margaret Atwood. It's a must-read, folks;

these people are really living it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. yup.

[Ezlivin]

28. I'm surprised she didn't give her name as "Oftheron"

If you've read the novel, this will make sense.

[hamsterjill]

19. It's not God in control

It's the husband in control of how many times he wants the wife to have unprotected sex with him.

I am growing very weary of the Duggars, et al, preaching this sermon. And I am growing even more weary of television networks that glamorize this type of behavior.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. i think when television serious glams up these people and the anti science people

they should also depict where else in the world these beliefs are popular and the kind of economies that arise from these beliefs

aside from american, antivaccine people, the only other antivaccine people i know are illiterates in india. a lot of whom have suffered from polio thanks to this mentality. some have died from tetanus etc.

this anti woman voting, is very popular in saudi arabia

we should depict what happens when these bloody ideas are carried through to practice, to give the viewer a full perspective

[hamsterjill]

32. Good point!

I don't personally believe that the TLC episodes about the Duggar are very "realistic". You rarely see the younger children cry, which is something that ALL young children do, and it's healthy that they do it.

You don't see any of the children being cranky, or having a bad day, or being upset with a decision that one of the parents has made. You don't see any of the children saying they don't want to be on television. You don't see brothers and sisters arguing, etc. What you do see many times is the older girls sitting on the sidelines for family activities because they can't participate for fear of being "immodest", etc. (Case in point - the waterslide).

And before I get beat up for saying this - no, I'm not a fly on the wall in the Duggar household, and I don't KNOW for sure that it's not extreme paradise in that home. But my point is that I don't believe extreme paradise exists in ordinary households. I don't know now, nor have I ever known, any family that didn't have some healthy bickering amongst its members.

And to show this family as "perfect" is showcasing them to be something they are not in my view. Let all of those children grow up, get out from under mom and dad's control, and let's just see if any of them happen to decide to live outside of the quiverful movement.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. saudi arabia is calling their name

[BurtWorm]

24. People live within their means--and have seven or more kids?!

Resource hogs!

[Bertha Venation]

25. People are entitled to their beliefs.

This is a religous thing - in the U.S., where we have freedom of religion. These people are free to believe what they want, and they are free to interact or not to interact with society as they see fit.

I do see oppression of women, but since this is within their belief system, there's nothing we can do about it. Clearly at least some of the women consciously choose to live this way. If some do not, if they feel trapped, I hurt for them, but again, there's nothing we can do about it.

Our sensibilities are offended by the way these people live, but it is not our life. It's theirs.

[BurtWorm]

26. But it's our planet and planet's resources they're hogging.

I mean to say, it's not a simple matter of live and let live. Their choices have an impact on everyone else's.

[Kali]

29. somehow I think the local yahoo with 4 off road toys and jet skis,

a camper, huge teevee, a pick-up and two other cars is probably hogging more resources than the few over-breeding religious nuts out there.

[Bertha Venation]

30. The group's size:

"followers of its central ideology are estimated to number in the tens of thousands"

I'm not worried about them "hogging" resources. Perhaps this worry is better placed with the Mormons.

[TwilightGardener]

27. Yeah, I'm sure many guys secretly wish that their wives would view

submission to them as some sort of spiritual fulfillment. LOL--good luck with that! What an assclown.

[Withywindle]

34. You have to be a pretty pathetic man to be attracted to a totally passive woman.

Seriously, what's the appeal? "Yes, dear. Whatever you say, dear. You're the boss, dear." I've gone mental over just having roommates like that! :puke:

I'd say if you like that sort of thing, get a dog -- but even a dog will turn on you if you abuse it long enough. Get a snake and make sure the room is just slightly too cold and it'll just lie there, as you want.

[snake in the grass]

33. Sick people. n/t

[dysfunctional press]

35. "People live within their means and accrue no debt..."

does that mean that none of the quiverful of morans has a mortgage?

and- do they understand the concept of feudalism, and why that's a BAD thing?

[Hippo_Tron]

37. I went to see a Catholic missionary talk about not using birth control during marriage

He had 7 kids and said he wants more but that his wife wasn't so sure. I wanted to sarcastically scream at the top of my lungs "Gee, why do you think that is genius?" but I restrained myself.

This isn't a slam against Catholics by the way. Most of the audience was Catholic and most of the audience (particularly the women) thought he was ridiculous.

[Liberal_in_LA]

38. "Theron, an African-American man, remembers being held back from advanced classes... because of skin

color" So now he holds back his girls and wife. Asshole

[Liberal_in_LA]

39. "and if a woman dies in childbirth, at least it’s for the sake of God’s kingdom."

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Liberal_in_LA]

40. "Unmarried women would also not be allowed to vote"

:puke: :puke:

[Liberal_in_LA]

41. Men are not responsible or culpable for their own actions. Rather, women either commit sins or ...

"Men are not responsible or culpable for their own actions. Rather, women either commit sins or somehow cause men to sin."