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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:06 AM
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just so ya know...
Its gonna take more than 9 months to fix 8 years of W
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:08 AM
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1. And who could doubt you?
I think so!

I know, I know...

Some folks think it should mostly be done by now.

Good grief.

:eyes:

:hi:

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:17 AM
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3. Some here are actually looking at things
and realizing it is Bill Clinton Redux. So unless you know of a technological innovation that is going to be primarily developed in the United States and produced in the United States, love to know how these idiotic plans are going to actually produce real economic growth and opportunity.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:12 AM
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2. Try 30 years of economic damage
and the solutions to fixing our economy are "off the table"

As much as I love to blame W, Clinton's economic team are as responsible for this shit as he was and they've all been invited back for an encore.

So we won't be getting anywhere in the next 3 either.
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:22 AM
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4. you are so full of shit
The Clinton Presidency: A Historic Era of Progress and Prosperity

Longest economic expansion in American history
The President’s strategy of fiscal discipline, open foreign markets and investments in the American people helped create the conditions for a record 115 months of economic expansion. Our economy has grown at an average of 4 percent per year since 1993.


More than 22 million new jobs
More than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous twelve years.

Highest homeownership in American history
A strong economy and fiscal discipline kept interest rates low, making it possible for more families to buy homes. The homeownership rate increased from 64.2 percent in 1992 to 67. 7 percent, the highest rate ever.


Lowest unemployment in 30 years
Unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. Unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women is the lowest in more than 40 years.

Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment
Since 1992, reading and math scores have increased for 4th, 8th, and 12th graders, math SAT scores are at a 30-year high, the number of charter schools has grown from 1 to more than 2,000, forty-nine states have put in place standards in core subjects and federal investment in education and training has doubled.


Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
President Clinton and Vice President Gore have nearly doubled financial aid for students by increasing Pell Grants to the largest award ever, expanding Federal Work-Study to allow 1 million students to work their way through college, and by creating new tax credits and scholarships such as Lifetime Learning tax credits and the HOPE scholarship. At the same time, taxpayers have saved $18 billion due to the decline in student loan defaults, increased collections and savings from the direct student loan program.

Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
President Clinton and Vice President Gore’s new commitment to education technology, including the E-Rate and a 3,000 percent increase in educational technology funding, increased the percentage of schools connected to the Internet from 35 percent in 1994 to 95 percent in 1999.


Lowest crime rate in 26 years
Because of President Clinton’s comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties, more police, and smart prevention, as well as common sense gun safety laws, the overall crime rate declined for 8 consecutive years, the longest continuous drop on record, and is at the lowest level since 1973.

100,000 more police for our streets
As part of the 1994 Crime Bill, President Clinton enacted a new initiative to fund 100,000 community police officers. To date more than 11,000 law enforcement agencies have received COPS funding.


Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation
Since the President signed the Brady bill in 1993, more than 600,000 felons, fugitives, and other prohibited persons have been stopped from buying guns. Gun crime has declined 40 percent since 1992.

Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
To help parents succeed at work and at home, President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act in 1993. Over 20 million Americans have taken unpaid leave to care for a newborn child or sick family member.


Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
The President pledged to end welfare as we know it and signed landmark bipartisan welfare reform legislation in 1996. Since then, caseloads have been cut in half, to the lowest level since 1968, and millions of parents have joined the workforce. People on welfare today are five times more likely to be working than in 1992.

Higher incomes at all levels
After falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family’s income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation, since 1993. African American family income increased even more, rising by nearly $7,000 since 1993. After years of stagnant income growth among average and lower income families, all income brackets experienced double-digit growth since 1993. The bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent.


Lowest poverty rate in 20 years
Since Congress passed President Clinton’s Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent last year — the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993. The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent, the poverty rates for single mothers, African Americans and the elderly have dropped to their lowest levels on record, and Hispanic poverty dropped to its lowest level since 1979.

Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
In his 1995 State of the Union Address, President Clinton challenged Americans to join together in a national campaign against teen pregnancy. The birth rate for teens aged 15-19 declined every year of the Clinton Presidency, from 60.7 per 1,000 teens in 1992 to a record low of 49.6 in 1999.


Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
The Clinton Administration expanded efforts to provide mothers and newborn children with health care. Today, a record high 82 percent of all mothers receive prenatal care. The infant mortality rate has dropped from 8.5 deaths per 1,000 in 1992 to 7.2 deaths per 1,000 in 1998, the lowest rate ever recorded.

Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union
Efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union.


Protected millions of acres of American land
President Clinton has protected more land in the lower 48 states than any other president. He has protected 5 new national parks, designated 11 new national monuments and expanded two others and proposed protections for 60 million acres of roadless areas in America’s national forests.

Paid off $360 billion of the national debt
Between 1998-2000, the national debt was reduced by $363 billion — the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history. We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009.


Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
Thanks in large part to the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, the 1997 Balanced Budget Act, and President Clinton’s call to save the surplus for debt reduction, Social Security, and Medicare solvency, America has put its fiscal house in order. The deficit was $290 billion in 1993 and expected to grow to $455 billion by this year. Instead, we have a projected surplus of $237 billion.

Lowest government spending in three decades
Under President Clinton federal government spending as a share of the economy has decreased from 22.2 percent in 1992 to a projected 18.5 percent in 2000, the lowest since 1966.


Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
President Clinton enacted targeted tax cuts such as the Earned Income Tax Credit expansion, $500 child tax credit, and the HOPE Scholarship and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits. Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family have dropped to their lowest level in 35 years.

More families own stock than ever before
The number of families owning stock in the United States increased by 40 percent since 1992.


Most diverse cabinet in American history
The President has appointed more African Americans, women and Hispanics to the Cabinet than any other President in history. He appointed the first female Attorney General, the first female Secretary of State and the first Asian American cabinet secretary ever.

http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-01.html

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:29 AM
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7. All of the deregulation and trade agreements
that caused this fucking nightmare we are in, were ushered in by President Clinton. NAFTA, GATT, no regulation on derivatives, repeal of Glass Steagal, etc. Shit Republicans had wet dreams about passing but never could in the 12 years of Reagan Bush.

If it wasn't for the Internet Revolution during his Presidency he would have never accomplished shit. Where did all those technology jobs he created go soon after his Presidency, overseas, because he enacted nothing to protect the economy at home while he was President.

All Bill Clinton managed to do was to take us from a manufacturing economy to an unsustainable financial service based economy. He's as guilty as Bush for his deregulation.


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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:37 AM
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9. All I rember i being better off
and that surplus. Then there was that full employment thing. You wanna lame Clinton - who certainly isn't without fault - do so against the record.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:40 AM
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10. It was temporary
Edited on Fri Oct-23-09 01:41 AM by AllentownJake
because while you were better off, President Clinton was selling this country out, by signing trade agreements that guaranteed that our manufacturing base would be at a competitive disadvantage, repealing the New Deal banking regulations, and preventing regulations on derivatives. All of the ingredients to the toxic soup we were in were put into the pot by Bill and heated by George.

I judge a President by not just the short term but long term effects of their policies. Bill Clinton's policies were absolute shit in the long term. He was an awful President.

By your standard Bush was an awesome President, because the entire time he was President I had a job.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:24 AM
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5. Too true, I'm afraid.
Strap yourselves in and assume crash positions, folks. This mother's goin' down.
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:27 AM
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6. I'm sure that is true
if enough of ya want it to be so...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:32 AM
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8. What the hell do you think this is?
Third grade? Do you think a positive attitude is going to give you shit? You think we can positive energy ourselves out of 30 years of having the New Deal stripped away from us.

Here is how my grandparents got their prosperity, they went out and fought for it during the depression and they fought for the reforms that gave prosperity to their children (who gave it up for their 401(k)). They didn't get extra points for living in some sort of alternate reality.
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:40 AM
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11. Damn dude
I got parents too. In their 80's. Fact remains that we did better during the Clinton years than we have one in decades.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:42 AM
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12. My family actually did better in the Bush years
I wonder if I should support Republicans now because obviously Bush was great for me and ever since President Obama took office I've been laid off.
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:44 AM
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13. go right ahead
Support Bush
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:47 AM
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14. You are not seeing my point
Edited on Fri Oct-23-09 01:47 AM by AllentownJake
Just because a President was good during their particular term for a period economically, doesn't necessarily mean that they have enacted good policies. Bush had the longest period of economic growth in history (it was all borrowed money no real growth occured).

The mess we are currently in has its roots in 30 years of absolutely terrible policies, and there is too much vested financial interest in this country in reversing them right now. We built an economy on a house of sand and we are paying for it.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:51 AM
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17. So your saying
A guy in his late 50's isn't going to find a job??
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:54 AM
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18. It's hard to sell a re-trained employee to an employer
Edited on Fri Oct-23-09 01:55 AM by AllentownJake
who is past a certain age, when the unemployment rate for kids 18 to 24 is currently 52%.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:58 AM
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19. Maybe
I will start my own radio station and tell lies and half truths to the people, be a druggie, and buy myself a NFL team. Sounds like a plan.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 02:00 AM
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21. Make sure your very obnoxious
and also make sure to mix in sexism and racism...without those two things you'll never make it kid.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 02:04 AM
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22. Some problen there
Edited on Fri Oct-23-09 02:05 AM by Angry Dragon
I can do obnoxious, angry, sex is good, but with racism I have a problem. I could antagonize the Christian Right.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:49 AM
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16. Yes.
I personally sent millions of well paying American jobs overseas. Additionally, I am responsible for the huge increase in consumer debt...and turning everything into a predatory scam.

I've been a very busy and naughty boy.

Need I add :sarcasm: ?
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:59 AM
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20. And you blame Clinton for that
Remind me - what did full employment feel like? Oh that's right the last time we felt that was during the Clinton admin.

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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 11:56 AM
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30. I blame Clinton among others.
It's a little like parenthood. If I'm a lousy parent today, the full effects won't be felt until my snowflake is an adult, many years later. It's the same with the economy. The economy can be abused for short-term gain and the full effects won't be felt for years.

So, yeah, I blame Clinton. The fake economy began under Reagan, continued under Poppy Bush, Clinton, and Jughead. Clinton caught a break with the technology boom. Except for that boom and fraud, we've been on a steady downward trajectory since the early-to-mid 1980s. I see nothing to indicate that the trend is going to change much under Obama.

Allentown Jake is close to exactly correct. There's been no *real* economic growth in about a decade. Remove the technology boom and fraud and that can easily be expanded to three decades.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:48 AM
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15. Just so ya know...
I know :thumbsup:
KnR
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 02:07 AM
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23. It semed a rather obvious point
gonna take more than 9 months todo in8 years of W
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 03:00 AM
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24. By sheerest coincidence, that's how long it took Medicare to get up and running n/t
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 03:27 AM
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25. Wow, and it only took since 1915 to get that much. n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 03:42 AM
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26. From enactment to implementation was nine months
Why in fucking hell do we need four years? To build a new bureaucracy from scratch? Then why in bleeding hell don't we just do the obvious and expand the program we already have?
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 04:12 AM
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27. Oh, I understand - just stressing that the history of
health care reform in the U.S. to even get to Medicare has been long and hard fought and should not be overlooked. I can't answer your question. All I know is the the fight continues, and no other administration has gotten it this far and I support them all the way in this and the myriad of other messes it's trying to cleanup. That's all.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 04:23 AM
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28. I'm not going to support a political disaster in the making
--when it's so easy to avoid. We can't count on the Repubs to be constantly ramping up the assholism and making us look better. The public option that everyone is on about is like the Roman Empire--neither public nor an option of 95% of the population is forbidden to use it. All hell is going to break loose when more people realize that, and that their alternative will be to be robbed at gunpoint of 10-12% of their income for a product that won't even come close to covering everything.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 04:29 AM
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29. Okay. n/t
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