Brian Williams said it's "unseemly" to talk about guns after yet another US gun massacre

[Proud2BAmurkin]

and the douche wasn't talking about President Pissypants whose first words being that he supports the 2nd amendment.

Williams was talking about the gun regulation side. AND said it right after interviewing Pissypants who he didn't think was "unseemly" when he used VT massacre to state he defends the NRA definition of the second amendment

[Little Wing]

1. That's what Bush said?

:wow:

That's a new low even for him. It's like he's covering his base in an election year all over again.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

7. Yeah first thing out of his pukey mouth yesterday was "I support the 2nd amendment"

Dickwipe

[Little Wing]

17. I've said this in other forums, mostly non-political but

The wording of the 2nd Amendment is one of the biggest fuckups in US history. In my opinion of course.

The ONLY reason why MORE guns is offered as a solution is because we're probably already too far gone to make a reasonable set of gun laws work. There's no reason why these gun manufacturers should be grinding out thousands of guns a day, none at all.

I know Penn and Teller disagree, but they're just libertarian dicks with a TV show.

[MadBadger]

18. Are you talking about him, or the press conference with Perino?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

20. Look out for the 2nd amendment which Opposite Man says he supports.

Be vewy, vewy careful. MKJ

[Proud2BAmurkin]

24. It's the 2nd Amendment as defined by the NRA

.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

35. True,

He's definitely doing a lot of harm to the states' "well regulated militias" the National Guard. MKJ

[LSparkle]

2. Oh, BITE ME! Just like we can't mention "CLASS WARFARE"

that's been waged by Big Business on working stiffs for 20 years ... "wouldn't be prudent."

:argh:

[JuniperLea]

6. I don't think that's the point

The point is that we've suffered a big tragedy here and inserting one's own agenda is crass, vulgar, rude, etc.

I concur.

Discussing the gun issue here is bad enough, but to make a public statement is crude.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

8. Inserting an agenda of preventing more massacres isn't crass or rude

inserting an agenda of supporting more massacres (like Bush's comment did) is crass and rude and vulgar

[LSparkle]

9. Especially after his spokeshole was the first to bring up guns

by asserting that the pResident believes in the right to bear arms ... It was the SECOND THING out of her mouth, after expressing his shock and sadness over the situation.

So .... it's OK for him to bring it up, but it's NOT OK for us to respond to it and show how WRONG HE IS?

..... *whatever* .......

[JuniperLea]

15. Two wrongs don't make a right

It's time for showing respect, not drawing battle lines.

[KAZ]

23. Awwhh, horseshit. It makes no frickin difference when you say it.

The mighty Wurlitzer will make sure you get the blame anyway. Ask a 100 'Muricans who filed the first lawsuit in 2000.

BTW, I'm very pro-2nd amendment, as it's currently defined.

[JuniperLea]

28. If you are unfeeling, and have no sense of empathy toward

The victims, the victims' families, the shootist's family... then no, doesn't mean a goddamn thing.

[KAZ]

32. Horseshit once again. I hate jumpin on you Juniper...

.. but if they're going to play it, you play it back, in spades. And make damn sure everyone knows who threw the first stone. How about more posts on how Shrub is "unfeeling, and has no sense of empathy toward the victims, the victims' families, the shootist's family". That is the only thing I should be seeing posted on DU.

[JuniperLea]

36. Schoolyard tactics are rarely wise, KAZ...

You forgot the "neener neener, they said it first" bit.

I agree about the Shrub blasting, but the other... we don't have to stoop to their level to have an impact.

[JuniperLea]

13. Publicly talking about gun laws while so many are upset about this

is highly vulgar, regardless of which side of the issue you take. Have a little respect for the dead.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

38. If it gets people to adopt sane regulation viewpoint and prevents another massacre?

Still vulgar?

[JuniperLea]

40. While the bodies are still warm?

Hell yes. Vulgar as it gets.

Have you ever had someone close die of a gunshot? Can you wrap your mind around that scenario? It's brutal! It's like vultures hovering over your dying kin in the hospital, asking if you are going to donate organs. Seriously. Crass as fuck.

[MADem]

43. Well, shit, BUSH did it. He brought up the Second Amendment almost immediately.

His acting Press Secretary was out of the gate like a greyhound after the rabbit, YESTERDAY, in fact. McCain, his heir apparent, was shilling for him on Amendment Nubah Two almost immediately. So were the Faux Crew, Malkin, and the rest of his traditional water carriers.

What, so only "everyone ELSE" (meaning the gun control advocates) can't be "unseemly?"

Just because the media SAYS something doesn't make it true: http://mediamatters.org/items/200704170011


Ignoring McCain and White House, LA Times claimed gun rights advocates "generally kept their heads down" following VA Tech shooting
In an April 17 article headlined "Gun control debate resumes, on one side," the Los Angeles Times asserted that "Monday's deadly rampage at Virginia Tech sparked a largely one-sided response in the long-running debate over guns." The article continued: "Gun control advocates said the shootings pointed to the need for tougher laws, while supporters of gun rights generally kept their heads down." As evidence, the Times simply reported that Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) "added a political note to her statement of sympathy. 'The unfortunate situation in Virginia could have been avoided if congressional leaders stood up to the gun lobby.' " But, in fact, gun rights supporters hardly "kept their heads down." In the aftermath of the mass shooting, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino, and various conservatives reiterated their belief in a "right to bear arms."

For instance, as Salon.com's Tim Grieve noted on the website's War Room weblog, according to an April 16 Associated Press report, McCain said that "the shooting rampage at Virginia Tech does not change his view that the Constitution guarantees everyone the right to carry a weapon." The AP quoted McCain as saying: "We have to look at what happened here, but it doesn't change my views on the Second Amendment, except to make sure that these kinds of weapons don't fall into the hands of bad people. ... I do believe in the constitutional right that everyone has, in the Second Amendment to the Constitution, to carry a weapon. ... Obviously we have to keep guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens."

Similarly, while the Los Angeles Times reported that President Bush "said nothing about the gun control debate," during the April 16 White House press briefing, Perino stated: "As far as policy, the President believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed. And certainly bringing a gun into a school dormitory and shooting" is illegal. She added: "If there are changes to the President's policy we will let you know. But we've had a consistent policy of ensuring that the Justice Department is enforcing all of the gun laws that we have on the books and making sure that they're prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."....


MORE at LINK.

[JuniperLea]

48. That's what I'm saying... n/t

[JuniperLea]

3. Good to see the press acting like the press again...

Hope it sticks.


Let the bodies be buried first before publicly speaking, imho.

[Lautremont]

11. So the protocol is: bury bodies, THEN use them as props.

Got it.

[JuniperLea]

12. Not what I said...

extrapolate much?

I'm just saying it's crass to make public statements about gun control right now, like Bush did.

[Lautremont]

14. Good thing you put "like Bush did" at the end there.

Otherwise I might have misunderstood.

[JuniperLea]

16. I think it's horrible for anyone to make public statements about guns right now

Regardless of the side of the issue that person is on.

Respect for the dead, and more importantly, for the families and friends, is most important now.

My step-brother shot himself in the head. In my closet. My dad and I cleaned up the mess. I didn't want to talk about guns for years and years.

Have a little empathy. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

25. Maybe the family and friends wouldn't be mourning if we talked about it 2 years ago

?

[MadBadger]

27. That's just a dumb comment.

[JuniperLea]

29. Slim maybe...

But that is speculative. And it has no bearing on the fact that people who have experienced gunshot wounded family members generally don't want to hear about it for a while. A little empathy goes a long way.

[ClassWarrior]

4. This from the All-Anna-Nichole All-The-Time...

...Corporate Press Whores?

:rofl:

NGU.

[MADem]

5. GOP go-to guy, according to Frank "I'm an UNBIASED pollster, really" Luntz!!!

Frank Luntz, the Republican pollster, did call Mister Williams the "GOP go-to guy" because of his "nearly UNDECTABLE ideological bias."

In other words, he's undercover!!! But notice he's the guy, like Tim Russert, who gets the NBC interviews. The rest of the NBC crew get smartass comments and insults.

[MadBadger]

19. Why wouldnt he get the interviews?

[MADem]

30. He's right behind Snow, Tony (oops, hehheh, ah HIRED him) and Russert, Tim

on the "suck it" list.

[Cha]

10. WHenever...brian williams called the

1st Deceiver.."UNSEEMLY"! Way to go brian..you clueless cog.

[MADem]

42. Oh, he's not "clueless." He knows his role. And he's doing one of those "heckuvajobs." NT

[Cha]

45. brian williams knows his role, all right,

but I still think he's clueless. All those mediawhores think they know what they're doing but they're only mindless kneelmeisters At The Ready.

[Tesha]

21. Of course it's "unseemly"; this is a moment when we might actually...

Of course it's "unseemly"; this is a moment when we might actually
call "bullshit" on all the idiots who believe that the more guns we
have, the safer we are.

But soon, VT will fade back into the tens of thousands of lives
lost to guns annually in this country...

Tesha

[MadBadger]

22. I think your apparent disdain for Brian Williams

is blinding you here.

[MADem]

34. Read this LINK and tell me the OP's "disdain" as you put it isn't WARRANTED.

Good grief. Must you be hit over the head with the obvious, fachrissake??? You're the one, sadly, who is blinded, but by just WHAT, I've no idea. How can you possibly love a guy with this kind of track record, unless you bat for the other team?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200502070007

Brian Williams: Republicans' "go-to network anchor"?
Paul Bedard's "Washington Whispers" column in the February 14 edition of U.S. News & World Report noted that Brian Williams -- who replaced Tom Brokaw as anchor and managing editor of NBC's Nightly News on December 2, 2004 -- received accolades from discredited Republican pollster Frank Luntz in a memo to Republican Congressional leadership. In the memo, Bedard reported, Luntz wrote that "Williams has emerged as the 'go-to network anchor' because of his brains and 'lack of detectable ideological bias.'"

Media Matters for America has identified some examples that may explain why Republicans consider Williams to be their "go-to network anchor":

In an interview following President Bush's February 2 State of the Union address, Williams failed to correct Senator John McCain's (R-AZ) false assertion that the Social Security trust fund will have "no money at all left" in 15 years.

On January 12, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) noted that an NBC Nightly News segment on Social Security ignored privatization critics and presented a conservative activist as an impartial "analyst." The FAIR report stated that, although Williams prefaced the segment by mentioning that "critics say he's exaggerating the problem to sell his plan," the actual report "included no such critics of the administration's 'crisis' rhetoric."

In a December 2, 2004, interview with C-SPAN founder, president, and CEO Brian Lamb, Williams said that "it's my duty to listen to Rush" Limbaugh and that "Rush has actually yet to get the credit he is due." Before his promotion, Williams hosted several other NBC news programs, including The News with Brian Williams on MSNBC and CNBC, where Limbaugh was a frequent guest. As Media Matters previously noted, on September 24, 2002, Williams introduced a News segment on a speech by former Vice President Al Gore by observing: "ur friend Rush Limbaugh told his radio listeners he almost stayed home from work, not due to any health reasons, but because he was so livid at the speech given yesterday by former Vice President Al Gore criticizing the Bush administration's apparent march to war in Iraq." Williams asked, "Is it un-American to speak out against the Bush plan to take on Iraq? Is it democratic to ridicule and threaten those who do?" Washington Post columnist and Brookings Institution senior fellow E.J. Dionne Jr. responded on the September 28, 2002, edition of CNN's Reliable Sources: "Since when do we debate that it's un-American to take on a president? ... We are told all the time it is the liberal media, and here Rush Limbaugh not being able to get out of bed supersedes what Al Gore says. If you -- if you want to have Rush Limbaugh on trashing Al Gore afterward, fine. Report the news. Report what he said, and then criticize him."

In a "fact check" segment following the October 8, 2004, presidential debate, Williams implied that Senator John Kerry's assertion that the U.S. economy had lost 1.6 million jobs under President Bush was deceptive -- falsely claiming that Kerry's use of "private sector jobs" numbers applies to "just one category" of jobs, when in fact it includes all non-government jobs and is, according to The New York Times, "a better predictor of the economy's future, analysts say."
On September 29, 2004, MSNBC dropped Luntz from its planned presidential debate coverage, apparently in response to a letter from Media Matters outlining Luntz's GOP ties and questionable polling methodology. In January, Luntz indicated that he believes that reporters are reporting fairly only if they use President Bush's preferred terminology to describe Bush administration policy.

[MadBadger]

37. And Maybe I'm blinded by my liking of Brian Williams

As well as NBC and MSNBC. I personally think he is a great guy and great anchor/interviewer.

[MADem]

41. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Check out General Electric--everything from land mines to jets. Billions in contracts. Billions each and every year.

They're invested in keeping the war afloat, and ensuring they've got soft-shoe shills upfront is no small piece of their strategy.

If you can live with that shit, well, fine. I think the guy is in the pocket of the corporate war-masters, myself, and I look at EVERYTHING he says with a highly jaundiced eye. Anyone who doesn't do likewise is either profoundly naive, ignorant of the truth, or a cheerleader of the status quo.

Brian doesn't 'care' about you. He cares about his paycheck, and he'll jump through whatever hoop GE tells him to in order to collect it.

[MadBadger]

46. I simply disagree with you.

[Initech]

26. $10 says he was bribed by the NRA to say that.

[roamer65]

31. Gov Kaine mouthed the same bullshit.

Since when is a national debate on how to solve a problem verboten? Bite me, Kaine.

[AZBlue]

33. If not now, WHEN??

eom

[Proud2BAmurkin]

39. When everyone adopts the NRA position on guns

nt

[AZBlue]

44. Well, count me out.

eom

[orleans]

47. yeah....brian williams....asshole..... n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

49. Brian Williams has bush's ass marks on his snozz!

He wasn't ready when George made a sharp turn.

[LeftHander]

50. Yes lets talk about the weather....American Idle and fashion....nt

[RedStateShame]

51. Hey, Brian, maybe this is why more people get their news from a guy in a basement.

Vinny, I believe his name was?


Edited because I mis-typed "gun" where "guy" is.