Another crazy LTTE :the new world order

[conscious evolution]

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=12B72B95D2C461E0&p_docnum=1
The �New World Order�

There�s never been another time in history like the �Dark Ages,� when almost an entire world was ruled by an apostate religious organization. In the period from around 500 A.D. until about 1,000 A.D., an entire world lulled in ignorance and superstition.

And, because of this ignorance that abounded, rulers were more able � with little effort � to keep men in submission for such a long period of time. It is no wonder why, when men like Huss and Wycliffe arose to bring a light of truth and wakefulness, they were quickly ushered to burning stakes. When truth finally dawned on the European world with the efforts of men like Martin Luther and others, some swore that the world would again live in feudalism.

And we may be approaching this prediction. The world appears to be following the same pattern.

As the truth was removed back then, the truth is being removed today, especially in America. Christian truth, godliness and biblical history have been on the decline for years, especially since the �60s. Now, all the �rulers� need is to rid the nation of remaining truth (old people and Christians). People who know the real history of America and those who have the word of God in their hearts. Then, the world will be in position to accept their �New World Order.�

� Dwight Poole

I guess this guy forgot it was bush 1 that wants a new world order.Nor does he know much about history.As I recall,it was the church that was mainly responsible for the dark ages

[sinkingfeeling]

1. The Dark Ages was an era where the Church was the supreme ruling entity, keeping people in

ignorance. That's what this guy wants.

[MissMarple]

3. The Catholic Church did provide a degree of civility and order during a very chaotic time.

Nations as we know them did not exist. The Church kept the ruling class in line to a degree acceptable at the time. When the Church devolved into a hotbed (literally) of vice and corruption, dissent erupted, most notably from Martin Luther and the Germans. Henry VIII's indiscretions also led to a break with the Church further fueling the fires of the growing rebellion. These dissenters were the products of their environment. They retained many of the superstitions, prejudices and intolerance common at the time.

The best thing that came out of all this was the Enlightenment. This marked a real departure in how people viewed God and the relationship people have or do not have with God. What we see today with the Fundamentalists is a continued reaction to Enlightenment thinking and the modern world.

Christian and Islamic fundamentalists really have issues that cannot be resolved until they accept the realities of modern life. The foundation of this lies in acceptance and consensus building to solve common problems. They prefer to depend on fiat pronouncements from an over arching authority. They seem to need the comfort of an old man in the sky telling us the right way to live even if that means torturing and killing for what ever cause the authority deems appropriate. How fascistic is that? Authoritarianism is evil from whatever direction it comes.

[conscious evolution]

7. But they are apostates!

It was the other christian denominations like the babtists and the mormons that kept....

The stupid.It burns.

[MissMarple]

11. Does that mean we can burn the stupid?

:evilgrin:

[sinkingfeeling]

9. We must have had different history teachers. The 'Dark Ages' to me, is the early Middle Ages, from

the fall of the Roman Empire until 1000 AD. Then the Renaissance came in the 14th-16th. centuries, followed by the Reformation in the 16th and 17th centuries, and finally the Enlightenment in the late 17th and 18th centuries.

The Church was able to keep the knowledge from the Greek and Roman Empires to some extent. And for that, we should all be thankful.

[MissMarple]

10. Okay.

I didn't mean to imply that that the Church was totally compromised before 1000 or that Martin Luther was way before his time.

The Church was able to hold things together in Europe serving an important function in establishing an overarching hierarchy of authority that provided a good measure of stability in those uncertain times. The breakdown of Roman authority coupled with the movement of eastern peoples into western Europe contributed to a dangerous instability that the Church was able to counter. Then the other things happened...culminating in the Enlightenment. We still seem to be struggling with the Enlightenment.

And as an afterthought, one can make a case that the Church actually kept the early middle ages in Europe from being dark.

[unpossibles]

2. ironic when the warnings about the increase in irrational ignorance

arrive in the form of irrational ignorance.

[foxfeet]

4. And, of course, Europe was the only place on the planet where anything of note happened.

Oy.

[conscious evolution]

6. I caught that also

People like this worry about the illuminati.IMO,its the ignorati that are the danger.

[Sinti]

12. +1 and can I borrow "Ignorati" that's the awesome

[conscious evolution]

13. I stole it from someone else on DU

So go for it.

[BolivarianHero]

5. What a fucking moran...

Martin Luther was DEFENDING feudal authorities who massacred disenchanted peasants if the authorities in question were sympathetic to his ideas.

Feudalism greatly outlasted the Reformation...lol

[conscious evolution]

8. I like the way he references Huss and Wycliffe

Both were pre Martin Luther priests who railed against the church taking part in spiritual affairs.

[MissMarple]

15. I need to more reading. Do you have some good references?

[conscious evolution]

16. I did a google on them

Frankly,I had never heard of either of them.
Wiki has a good entry on Wycliffe.
I would link to them but for some reason I cant get google to connect right now.Same with wiki.

[MissMarple]

17. Thanks, I can do that.

I've been looking for some good current work on the middle ages and the Enlightenment. You have been quite helpful with your OP.

:)

[conscious evolution]

14. kicking for the night shifts entertainment

[msaroff]

18. Am I the Only One Who Sees LTTE

and thinks Tamil Tigers?

[conscious evolution]

19. ?

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. They're right:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/ltte.htm/

I've only ever seen 'LTTE' used for 'Letter To The Editor' on DU.