Actually, the deadliest shooting in US history, took place 12-29-1890.

[sinkingfeeling]

At a place called Wounded Knee. 153 Lakota Sioux killed and 50 wounded. 150 more went 'missing'.

[treestar]

1. Ooooh, interesting how that one gets left out

In the lists of mass shootings.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Yep, and weren't many, if not most,

women, children, and old men?

[Bushies gotta go]

3. But that was war

so it was okay.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[geardaddy]

4. But, but, but

we were at war!

:sarcasm:

[stirlingsliver]

5. Actually, It Would Be The Battle of Antietam

Shootings left over 3,000 people dead in one day.

[Gman]

10. I thought Gettysburg had many more than that

like 15K or something on both sides.

[JVS]

28. I think Gettysburg was the biggest battle, but Antietam the biggest day of violence

In one day the casualties there were
USA: 12,401 (2,108 killed, 9,540 wounded, 753 captured/missing)
Treasonous Bastards: 10,316 (1,546 killed, 7,752 wounded, 1,018 captured/missing)

Gettysburg lasted 3 days and the casualties were were
USA: 23,055 (3,155 killed, 14,531 wounded, 5,369 captured/missing)
Treasonous Bastards: 23,231 (4,708 killed, 12,693 wounded, 5,830 captured/missing)

[Elidor]

35. LOL at Treasonous Bastards!

That's the way I think of them as well.

[JVS]

36. Glad to see some Union Pride!

[sinkingfeeling]

11. That wa a war. Wounded Knee wasn't.

[stirlingsliver]

17. Seems To Me That The USA Was Waging War

It sure seems to me that the USA was waging war against the indiginous people of the Dakotas.

[sinkingfeeling]

23. Nope. The US army was to be relocating the Lakota to smaller reservations after the US

broke the treaty that had given them most of what is now South Dakota. Since the buffaloes were gone, the settlers moving west, and the area for the 'reservation' was almost unfit for farming, the Lakota began to starve. They began performing the Ghost Dance and that 'spooked' the BIA, who called in the troops.

[ends_dont_justify]

6. deadliest school shooting, I thought it was. N/T

[joshcryer]

7. 153 were killed by one person? Damn.

[Leopolds Ghost]

34. You seem peeved. n/t

[joshcryer]

37. Peeved?

Just curious. Was it one person or a group?

[aquart]

8. That beats Mountain Meadows. Only 100-140 murdered there.

But they saved alive all children too young to speak. Wasn't that generous?

[Deep13]

9. On the grounds of the Lutheran Seminary July 1-3, 1863...

...Adams County, PA. After three days of savage fighting, 30,000 men lay dead or seriously wounded.

[Shakespeare]

12. FYI, they're finally doing a film adaptation of "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee"

Very good people attached to this project, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0821638/

[frylock]

19. thanks for the info..

I'd really like to see this project finished.

[Gregorian]

13. There was a guy named George Bush.

He had two buildings full of people demolished so he could have his way. He even had a name for it. He called it his New Pearl Harbor.

/may not be true.

[Deep13]

29. He sure as shit didn't do anything to stop it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. True enough for me.

[SteppingRazor]

14. Yeah, but army action against the Sioux isn't exactly the same thing...

I certainly agree that it was a terribly lopsided fight, but 25 soldiers were killed that day, along with 153 Sioux. It's hardly the same as a guy wandering from classroom to classroom and executing unarmed students, no?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

18. I think Wounded Knee was even worse than what happened yesterday

The young Korean kid went nuts over some girl and apparently lost his reason to live and all sense of reality. The soldiers at Wounded Knee, about 500 of them had the opportunity to think over their murder beforehand in cold blood. They wanted revenge for Custer. Most of the 25 soldiers killed at Wounded Knee were thought to be the result of "friendly fire", the result of soldiers shooting each other. The Lakota were largely unarmed, largely women, children, and elderly. The soldiers had surrounded the camp with far superior numbers, including four Hotchkiss guns. The soldiers got so out of control with the bloody killing spree that they were shooting each other across the encirlement of the camp.

[SteppingRazor]

27. That's certainly a valid point...

I'm not at all defending Wounded Knee here. I'm just saying I don't see the comparison between it and what happened yesterday. That's all.

[JackRiddler]

20. "army action" is quite the euphemism.

Wounded Knee was a massacre from machine gun emplacements on an almost completely unarmed group of people, mostly women and children. They were being "escorted" and "disarmed" when the "accident" happened and the gunners opened fire, killing 153.

http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/acs/1890s/woundedknee/WKmscr.html

That evening, Colonel James Forsyth arrived with reinforcements and took over as commander of the operation. The Indians were not allowed to sleep as the soldiers interrogated them through the night. (It has been reported that many of the questions were to determine who among the group had been at Little Bighorn fourteen years earlier. In addition, eyewitnesses claimed that the soldiers had been drinking to celebrate the capture of the ailing Big Foot.)

The soldiers ordered that the Indians be stripped of their weapons, and this further agitated an increasingly tense and serious situation. While the soldiers searched for weapons, a few of the Indians began singing Ghost Dance songs, and one of them (thought to be the medicine man, Yellow Bird, although this is still disputed by historians) threw dirt in a ceremonial act. This action was misunderstood by the soldiers as a sign of imminent hostile aggression, and within moments, a gun discharged. It is believed that the gun of a deaf man, Black Coyote, accidentally fired as soldiers tried to take it from him. Although the inadvertent single shot did not injure anyone, instantaneously the soldiers retaliated by spraying the unarmed Indians with bullets from small arms, as well as the Hotchkiss canons which overlooked the scene.

(Hotchkiss canons are capable of firing two pound explosive shells at a rate of fifty per minute.)

[maveric]

15. TheTulsa Massacre. Not done by one person but still a mass killing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Race_Riot

Official reports were 39 killed. Unofficial, over 300 killed by racists.

[sinkingfeeling]

25. Very true.

[Leopolds Ghost]

38. Also the first government bombing of a civilian population.

Which, prior to Dresden, was considered a war crime.

(Not to mention the house in Philly that the Philly police firebombed.)

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

16. But they call it a "Battle" as in the "Battle of Wounded Knee"

I don't know if they still call it that, but I remember seeing it marked as the site of the "Battle Of Wounded Knee" on road maps when I was a kid, as if it actually were an armed face-off between Sioux warriors and U.S. cavalry. Actually, it was bunch of mainly unarmed women, children, and elderly who were peacefully herded into a circular camp with the 7th Cavalry posted all around them. The same 7th Cavalry that wanted revenge for the ass-kicking they'd had before at a real battle, the Little Bighorn. Supposedly some shots rang out and the soldiers started opening fire, establishing a killing field and shooting every prisoner that moved. It wasn't a battle, it was a slaughter, a massacre on the scale of what happened at My Lai.

[JackRiddler]

21. Because they're liars?

It was a massacre. Not originally intended, perhaps, but set up so as to have a very high risk of it.

[Phillycat]

22. I'm totally going to start using the word "deathliest".

[sinkingfeeling]

24. Sorry, my bad. "Deadliest" is better, isn't it?

[Phillycat]

26. Yes. I'm sorry, a bit snarky today.

my bad. :hi:

[kestrel91316]

31. Well, I think most of us would call that WAR. The US made

official WAR on the native population for decades.

Different from a lone-gunman mass murder (though I do agree that what was done to the natives WAS murder - actually genocidal murder).

[Leopolds Ghost]

33. Sort of why, when US Marines massacre kids in the Middle East

It doesn't count any more than Wounded Knee did because the women and children
"weren't entirely innocent" -- this is war, after all.

[callous taoboy]

32. An eerie place, Wounded Knee-

Had the chance to visit 7 years ago and it is a memory that stands out in my mind.

Thanks, sinkingfeeling.