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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 05:57 AM Original message |
Toyota's runaway-car worries may not stop at floor mats |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. Ahh, the invisible, magical, hand of the "free" market at its best. n/t |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 06:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Never forget that Smith wrote about " 2 hands " - the other hand being the regulating power of the |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. You would think a CHP officer would have the presence of mind to shift the car into neutral.. |
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Ptah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 06:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The article suggests you are mistaken. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 06:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I never said anything about turning off the ignition... |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 06:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Is there some reason you always cop an attitude? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:13 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. You came back with a reply that had nothing to do with what I posted.. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. I've wondered about the "shift into neutral" thing as well, but I know that if my... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:31 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. It wasn't even his car.. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Oh I understand the equation. I just can't guarantee I'd act correctly "in the moment". |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Umm.. They were going 120 plus.. |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #16 |
70. Somehow I think if I had a runaway car, the well being of the engine would be |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. Glad you made it and are with us today. |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
84. Don't know about Lexis but my Prius does not have "neutral" to shift into. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #84 |
104. Actually, the Prius DOES have a neutral.. |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Perhaps you're the one who needs to re-read some posts |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I rarely look at names when I post.. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
92. He does know his shit about a few things...................... |
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Ptah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. On thinking it over, my reaction was more to this |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:22 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. It's my opinion.. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
27. In emergencies people don't always act rationally |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. This was a trained CHP officer... |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
75. read the article - |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
95. The newest Toyotas have a fancy zigzag gearshift pattern that is downright confusing. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. I don't think I'd want my car to shut down with the "tap" of a button |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-20-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #99 |
111. Not being able to shut off the engine immediately made the guy dead. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Also from the article.. |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
85. Winter drivin' will learn ya quick |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
48. fuck, good to know. i have a push button starter. another thing, i have had excelleration |
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boobooday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 06:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. This was addressed |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. I posted this as a reply to the OP by mistake, here it is again.. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
36. It was not a "stick" -- please see post 35 |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
102. try reading the article- or even the post, before responding next time... |
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boobooday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
4. That is absolutely terrifying. |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
11. Why no brakes? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. He probably didn't brake hard enough soon enough. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. That's my guess too... n/t |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
73. I read about this.... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Cars that use a vacuum-operated brake booster always have a vacuum reservoir. |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Actually, that 's not true |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #83 |
98. Name a few. (NT) |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. Ford, GM, Chrysler |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Audi is known for acceleration problems. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #86 |
97. I also have a good memory. |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #97 |
109. The chance of driver error is greatly increased |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
12. Lexus? Aren't they a very expensiveToyota? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Some of us can recognize the difference between designed-in vehicle defects... |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
42. How is this operator error? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
80. The floor mats may have initiated the problem but the driver's response was completely inadequate. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
88. Why of course the Tacoma owners should |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 08:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
30. Deleted message |
blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Uncalled for comment |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
65. Of course the root of American auto problems |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
74. Lexus = Toyota in a Tuxedo |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
13. Self delete posted in wrong place.. |
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excess_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
25. the brakes SHOULD be able to overpower the engine, |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. They are able to overpower the engine.. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Bullshit. this happened to me in a Ford Crown Vic at... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I'm not aware of any car that will not go into neutral while the engine is on.. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Don't tell me those brakes would have held for much longer... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Once you are stopped the brakes don't heat any more.. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. From the article... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. If you read the thread you'll see that I've had something similar happen to me. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #50 |
67. I'm going to defend the cop here. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
82. FYI: It sounds like it wasn't a stick but rather Toyota's implementation of "Tiptronic". |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #28 |
57. well if you were as quick thinking as you claim to be, you would have been able to stop. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Downshifting doesn't stop you completely.. |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. and my point is you acted wrong, and were not even in the extreme situation the cop was in. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
105. From an engineers standpoint, there's no excuse for it in a drive by wire car. |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
32. Convenience items are not necessarily convenient.......... |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
76. You saved me the trouble of saying the exact same thing. |
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wildflowergardener (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
34. Neutral |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Neutral is basically zero gear selection |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #34 |
63. Neutral has a major purpose in Manual Transmissions |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
35. Trust me those questions were hashed out endlessly in the local blogs... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. That's true... |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. "Parts omitted from the design cost nothing and cause no service problems" |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. It's all in what you get used to.. |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
77. Compression fracture of the wrist ="Ford Fracture" |
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Chemisse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
89. How horrible for him |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
38. But I thought Japanese cars were PERFECT!?! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. they stopped being perfect a couple years ago. quality went into toilet |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
40. Was the car stuck in cruise control |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. No--supposedly the floor mat jammed the accelerator pedal. |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
47. Imagine you are panic-ing, filled with adrenaline, and you look at this shifter... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. well, fuck. that is not an easy find, that neutral. geez. nt |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Looking at that pic, reverse and park are locked out.. |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Unless he was in auto-manual mode in the leftmost gate |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. That's pretty much what I said.. |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #47 |
59. Assuming he wasn't driving it in "sport" mode and then was more... |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #47 |
64. Second column from driver, top position. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Easy when you are looking at your computer screen. |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Everytime I rent a car, I study the shifter and make sure I understand it |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #47 |
100. Up and to the right one notch for neutral, left and down for lower gear |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
60. KISS. |
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8 track mind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
61. something to consider |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
66. Electronic keys and floor mats are both stupid ideas |
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divideandconquer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #66 |
94. I agree floormats and these starter buttons are stupid |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #66 |
101. Have you ever lived in a snowy or muddy environment? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
68. Recommend |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
72. this is probably gonna be a stupid question, but what about yanking up the emergency brake |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Simply not powerful enough. |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
87. The NASCAR guys have solved this |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Beauty hey.......... |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #87 |
106. That's not even needed on modern cars. |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. They still lack a critical component |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
91. I had a throttle get stuck wide open on a motorcycle -- its scary but you trouble shoot. |
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file83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Motorcycles have kill switches - something every car should have. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Nope, It was a homemade chopper and the throttle cable conduit bent in the wind |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
107. Quiet day in Toyota land................... |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. I threw a couple more logs on the fire n/t |
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