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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:02 PM
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When is this country going to equate all human life as valuable, not just American

The tragedy of the school shootings was horrendous. I truly hope that as people absorb the shock & sorrow of what has happened, they can translate our grief into a grief for all who die at the hands of murderers and madmen. I hope they realize the death we have rained on other countries is just as terrible and tragic as the loss of our own.

The nation mourns today. Why haven't we mourned every day, at the death of over 600,000 innocent people in Iraq. Where are the tears and outrage?

How can we allow Bush to take center stage during this crisis knowing that he ordered a war & mass murder for profiteering and empire? How can we stomach the executioner to prevail at the services to honor the dead when he is the very same as the man who perpetuated that hideous crime. In fact, he is worse. He forces others to perpetuate his death and destruction. And, in his case, the death count is in the hundreds of thousands.

This is an opportunity for a frank discussion about the horrors of violence and how it impacts all humanity.

I am so sad.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:03 PM
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1. it's easier for most Americans to relate to someone that could be one of their
kids than it is for them to relate to foreign people.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:12 PM
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8. I hate to say something so insensitive regarding the Iraqi civilians
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 02:13 PM by alyce douglas
but for some people, to some of our population their reply would be "it is happening over there not here".
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:23 PM
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12. Painfully true
And the very reason this admin has coined and exploited the phrase "fighting them over there."
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:25 PM
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13. Randi is saying that all over the world they do not sympathize
with us, we are a violent and gun society.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:51 PM
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17. Where was this shooting?
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 04:55 PM
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20. what'cha saying?
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:04 PM
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2. When broken shells make Christmas bells n/t
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:05 PM
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3. Every group feels its' own worth as greater than anyone else's. It is particularly true
when you are in fact the chosen ones of Jebesus.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:05 PM
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4. That's the question,
or statement, rather, that I told my mom today. We are all one - and the sooner we realize it, the better off we're going to be.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:05 PM
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5. People always seem to mourn one death more than thousands.
It's just the way it is. The smaller the population of dead, the easier it is to tell those individual stories that get everyone all wrapped up in the tale. When there are too many, it becomes not people with lives and families but instead just a number.

It's part of the reason why Natalee Holloway and Anna Nicole got so much coverage. The blonde white female aspect put them over the top, of course.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:08 PM
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6. Never -n/t
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:12 PM
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7. Malcolm Gladwell explains via the white gunner theory
This is from a Chuck Klosterman article on ESPN.com. Read to the end. It will all become clear:

Malcolm Gladwell writes for The New Yorker and is the author of "The Tipping Point" and "Blink" (he also really, really respects Kris Kristofferson). One of his most interesting (and previously unpublished) concepts is his "White Gunner Theory," which might partially illustrate why I feel nervous comparing Morrison to Bird.

Does Morrison play like Bird? Or are we simply fooled by the fact that both are white?

"The black/white stereotyping in basketball," Gladwell said, "crudely breaks down somewhere along these lines: fast/slow; me-first/team-first; leaper/smarts and footwork; shooter/passer; ability/effort. The key psychological term here is attribution -- that is, 'What reasons do we use to account for someone's achievement?' So if we take a white player and a black player with exactly the same statistics, we might nonetheless explain their success very differently."

What Gladwell is basically saying is that there are certain "athletic" qualities traditionally applied to black players and certain "old school" qualities traditionally applied to white players. However, if you didn't pick up that notion on your own, you might want to quit reading right now because it's about to become considerably more complex.

"More significantly," Gladwell said, "this means we ignore aspects of someone's achievement that contradict the stereotype. Hence the 'White Gunner' -- a type of player we struggle with because he is white yet simultaneously embodies all the stereotypes we've reserved for blacks. Tom Chambers is the White Gunner poster child. Rex Chapman was another example. I would argue that Pete Maravich was not, if only because he embodies some completely sui generis Cajun thing that defies the normal black/white breakdown.

"This fits into another psychological theory, which is called cross-race recognition theory," Gladwell says. "It suggests that when we mentally process the appearance of faces different from our own -- in other words, faces that we're not familiar with -- we categorize by race and color and ethnicity. But when we process faces from our own race that we're far more familiar with, we categorize by feature -- by eyes and mouth and hair and eyebrows. That's why the old adage about how all black people look the same to whites (and vice versa) is true: When we look at someone of another race, we're not remembering them by using the kinds of features that make it easy to distinguish an individual. We're just coding them as 'black' or as 'white.' My point? In basketball, the 'face' we're familiar with is black. We code black players by feature, so we can make endlessly subtle distinctions between players: There is a David Thompson 'type,' which is quite unlike a Grant Hill 'type,' which, in turn, is quite unlike a Gary Payton 'type.' But I think we code white players by category. They are simply 'white,' and we don't make the same kind of sophisticated distinctions among them. So we miss the 'White Gunner.' Does that make any sense?"

It absolutely does; it's the same reason every rock critic in 1988 wanted to compare Living Colour guitarist Vernon Reid to Jimi Hendrix. The reason we feel strange drawing reasonable comparisons between two white small forwards or two black quarterbacks is because both idioms are relatively rare, and -- perhaps unconsciously -- we're aware that we might be might be missing all the details we've been conditioned to ignore. This has become less of a problem in pro football because there are now lots of black, dissimilar quarterbacks. But it has become even more confusing in pro basketball, despite the fact that the league suddenly looks "whiter." European players like Nowitzki and Andrei Kirilenko (and South American players like Manu Ginobili) mix and match the aforementioned Gladwellian dichotomies; these athletes exist outside the stereotype of American white players and American black players. We don't know where to place them. Europe appears to be an entire continent of White Gunners.

I'm not sure what any of this means (or proves), beyond the fact that I will no longer deny that Adam Morrison is a lot like Larry Bird, which -- all things considered -- is not exactly a life-altering watershed. However, perhaps these ideas will convince Mel Kiper Jr. to go on "The Charlie Rose Show" in April and say something like, "Reggie Bush is not the next Gale Sayers -- he's actually more similar to Red Grange!" Because that would be stellar.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:14 PM
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9. Americans are self-centered
At least, a small majority of them are. Or, maybe it is just the media and the way they cover things - they seem to assume it of Americans.

In fact, on 911, there were a number of foreign nationals killed, weren't there? That is rarely mentioned, or the total is called "Americans."

The coverage of the Olympics for example - in the 70s it was still a coverage of the contest - you'd see everybody in it and most of the games and all of the medal ceremonies. Sometime in the 80s it started going to where they would cut short coverage of any sport Americans were not dominating, skip the medal ceremonies if no Americans were winning and the commentators started going on and on about the Americans and their chances of winning. This would be a symptom rather than a cause, but a telling symptom.

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:29 PM
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14. Americans differ from others nations in the regard by
very Little.

Czech newspapers talk about (1) Czech athletes and (2) the teams that beat Czech teams and (3) outstanding athletes from other countries. Same for France, Germany, Sweden, and Nigeria.

In the Iraqi news cycle, Sunni Arab stations focus on Sunni Arab deaths; Shi'ite stations fulminate against Sunni outrages; and the Kurds care about Kurdish deaths. Go figure. We're primates.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 05:04 PM
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21. *People* are self-centered.
Do you really think Americans are any different than the rest of the world's people in this respect?
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:19 PM
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10. It is very sad - this whole thing has made me think about the wholesale death
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 02:19 PM by debbierlus
This country perpetrates everyday.

It is really beyond words.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:21 PM
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11. Never. At least, history seems to point that way.
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 02:21 PM by Selatius
History books tell me that all powerful nations that have risen and fallen have put their own interests ahead of everyone else. The only time that didn't happen was when they fell and then were forced to put the interests of others on par with their own, sometimes with the application of force against the stricken empire.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:30 PM
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15. Short answer: Never.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:48 PM
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16. When you see Satan in an overcoat, with scarf and mittens.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:55 PM
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18. I don't understand
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 03:55 PM by Madspirit
I mourn all victims of violence but this just happened and it happened here. I was just as sad a few years back when a Belgium man took out a bunch of school children.

I don't understand why, when there are concerns about issues, someone always says..."but why aren't you concerned about this other issue?" We are. This happened now, in a state of our own country and it hits close to home.

I can care about a lot of things but I can only talk about one at a time.
Lee
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:56 PM
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19. We have to start in our own backyard
Time and again here on the DU we see examples of how American society turns a blind eye to victims of color (Katrina, Red Lake) but is right there with wall-to-wall, non-stop coverage for white victims (VA Tech, Columbine).

If that doesn't send out the message that white American lives are more valuable than everyone else's, I don't know what does.
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