Kansans will protest at the VT funerals!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

http://www.towleroad.com/2007/04/virginia_tech_f.html

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Better to say Fred Phelps

as that is specific and clear, as most everyone here knows who he is.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. I am responding to this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x678200

[Critters2]

9. Thanks for taking this on, proud.

All bigotry needs to be confronted, whether it's the crazies in Topkea, or the anti-Christian zealots in GD.

Thanks!

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. No problemo

[Goblinmonger]

32. How the HELL is this bigotry

Is Fred Phelps a Christian? Yes, he is. Is he going to protest the funerals? Yes, that is apparently his intent at the time. Does the other thread say that ALL Christians are going to protest? Nope. Not at all. Does the other thread say that ALL Christians are asshats like Freddie is? Not even close.

Please explain how that thread is bigotry. Please grow a little thicker skin and realize that christianity (whatever sect) is not immune to criticism just because you might get your widdle feelings hurt.

[blondeatlast]

40. God forbid we should have a little fun on this board...

(Opps, I suppose I should apologize).

Nah.

Edit--demented typos...

[Goblinmonger]

44. That's what this is?

Really? It isn't bitching about atheists and others "bashing Christians" because that is what it looks like.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

121. that's because so many christians have been

bashing atheists in this country for 6 years. and gays. and liberals. and more.

[Jo March]

132. Not me.

x(

And not many, many DUers of faith on this board.

[jonnyblitz]

65. yes, acknowledging that Phelps is a baptist preacher makes

you a BIGOT. Didn't you know?

[hfojvt]

135. why not? Doesn't acknowledging that a thug is black make one a bigot?

If you have headlines that say "Blacks rob a convenience store" isn't that evidence of bigotry against blacks even if it happens to be true in the case in question?

[Leopolds Ghost]

148. Wonder how many "liberal" culture warriors realize such headlines are no longer acceptable in print

E.g. "Fires break out in black neighborhood as blacks and mexicans riot."

"But it's true!", The out-of-touch culture warriors (many of whom are white)
will insist.

[hfojvt]

124. Fred Phelps is a Democrat too

Couldn't the thread say "Democrats to protest at VT funerals" and be just as accurate, and would not most other Democrats be rightly outraged at such a smear?

[proud2BlibKansan]

127. Thanks for the new thread idea!

:hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

133. That Thread Was 100% Bigotry. Period. Inarguable. Fact. End Of Story. Not Up For Opinion.

You can choose to debate that but one's flawed personal opinion cannot override fact. Ever.

[Goblinmonger]

150. Please actually explain

1. Is Phelps Christian? Yes. He is a baptist.
2. Are there others going that are Christian? Yes.
3. Is the reason they are protesting because of their Christian dogma? Yes.
4. Does the OP claim that all Christians will protest (or their representatives)? No.
5. Does the OP claim that Phelps is representative of all Christians? No.

How is that bigotry to say that people are going to protest because their Christians dogma leads them to believe that they should protest against gays?

[Leopolds Ghost]

155. Phelps is an American

1. Is Phelps American? Yes. He is from Kansas.
2. Are there others going that are American? Yes.
3. Is the reason they are protesting because of their American beliefs in free speech? Yes.
4. Does this post claim that all Americans will protest? No.
5. Does this post claim that Phelps is representative of all Americans? Yes. After all,
nobody's going to stop him.

[Goblinmonger]

159. #3 is your problem

He and his group are not going to protest their views on freedom of speech. They are going to protest something they see as a sin because of their Christain dogma. The fact that they CAN protest because of freedom of speech does not mean they are protesting because of it (or, to put it another, more clear, way: it doesn't mean that is the reason/cause for their protest). Their dogmatic beliefs are the cause/reason for their protest.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

75. I figured you were, as I read & appreciated your comments there

I also figured I needed to be consistent in commenting on the OP. :)

[Goblinmonger]

93. Ayesha

I like you. I've told you that on several occassions. But why does it seem when there is an uproar about Christian "bigots" you are right there trying to defend them, but when the discussion is about those are bigoted against atheists (this generally being in R/T where you are present but others here in GD may not be so) you seem absent from support for the atheists?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

113. Perhaps

because there seem to be so many many people defending atheists on those threads, and so few defending the other side.

[Goblinmonger]

116. But you must realize

that the people defending the atheists on those threads are the atheists. It would be nice to get a little love from the theist side once in a while.

On edit: I think we do just fine defending ourselves, but it is the perception that I am talking about. It would help to know that the defense of bigotry is not just one way for theists.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

157. Well,

since some atheists have been rude and insulting to theists---sorry, but I think your definition of bigotry and mine are different. I have observed that theists and atheists think differently from one another, which is one of the big reasons why there is misunderstanding.

[Goblinmonger]

160. You can do better than that.

You aren't going to defend atheists in R/T because SOME atheists have been rude. How is that different than the bigotry that you and others are saying exists toward Christains (i.e. lumping everyone together and judging all by the worst--which I don't believe has been done in this instance, for the record).

[Critters2]

2. Why are Kansans all such hate-filled bigots?

:sarcasm:

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. I honestly don't know

:)

[rateyes]

3. I'd love to see that piece of crap and his followers...

walk right into the middle of a crowd of 10,000 very pissed off people. Might be the end of his protests, if you know what I mean.

[LiberalFighter]

8. Make copies of his group's pictures... hand them out to VT students

Tell police to stay home
Tell media to stay home

[New Era]

98. Actually...

that is exactly what they want you to do. These assholes protested outside my high school when we doing the production of the the Laramie Project. A parent took one of their offensive signs and broke it while yelling at them and he was later sued for god knows what, but needless to say they make money by suing people. Seeing their disgusting faces just made me want to :puke:

[rateyes]

You didn't get what I mean. nt

[joshcryer]

6. Kansas and their pro-creationism has created such hate!

They're such evil people, those Kansans.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. I know

[blondeatlast]

22. It's that mad, dizzying city life...

Ex-Kansan (Winfield, home of Mary Ann from Gilligan's Island), here! :hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. And I was thinking it was a wheat allergy

Wow! You are from Winfield? That's one of my favorite places in Kansas.

[blondeatlast]

31. I miss it terribly. My grands lived there and I haven't been there

since they passed.

Loved the place.

[proud2BlibKansan]

You should come back for the Bluegrass Festival!

http://www.wvfest.com/

[MuseRider]

141. I know lots of people from Winfield!

You really miss it? I would but you do not hear many people say that and fewer that ever even want to set foot in this state. Frankly I hope they stay out, I like the wide open spaces. I go to the big cities for my vacations and I love them but feel so lucky to come back here where the sky goes on forever.

[jonnyblitz]

7. but he isn't a "real" Kansan.

snicker.

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. You are right!

He is actually from Mississippi.

[joshcryer]

35. Hahaha! Owned.

That was beautiful.

[jonnyblitz]

57. so he's a christian preacher from Mississippi then.

:shrug:

owned how?

[joshcryer]

63. Have you seen the Phelps YouTube video?

[Bluebear]

84. ...

:spray:

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Phelps is proving once again that he is a piece of crap

good, perhaps his "efforts" will lead to a far less divided society

[gravity]

11. Americans will protest at the VT funerals!!

[Critters2]

12. Better yet!! nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. You get it!

:)

[Goblinmonger]

38. Don't be so damn obtuse.

At least stop being that way on purpose.

Phelps is a christian. Get over it. He is going to protest because his particular sect of Christianity (which I would argue is just as valid to be called Christian as any other sect) believes what they believe. He is protesting BECAUSE OF HIS CHRISTIAN BELIEFS. I understand his beliefs might not be the same as yours, but that is why the other thread is titled as it is. He is not protesting because of his dogmatic Americanism or his training as a lawyer.

I am amazed at how quick people whine about any criticism of Christianity. 400 years of being the majority religion has turned you into a bunch of weaklings.

[blondeatlast]

43. Pot, call kettle black much? Talk about sensitive. nt

[Goblinmonger]

47. How is my post me being overly sensitive.

You are making completely illogical arguments and false analogies to show how burdened and oppressed and attacked you are as Christians and I am pointing that out. And that makes me the sensitive one?

[proud2BlibKansan]

53. Jim Jones was a Christian too

and so was David Koresh.

For that matter, I would guess that most prisoners on death row have found Jesus.

[Goblinmonger]

56. Careful

you'll get accused (by yourself) of being a bigot for stating those facts.

If one of them does something in the name of the Christianity sect they follow, it is unfair to identify them as being Christian even though that is the reason for them doing what they are doing?

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. So I am an anti-Kansas bigot?

[Goblinmonger]

69. *sigh*

Thanks for continuing the "I'm so obtuse" schtick. It's really fun.

Phelps is not doing what he is doing because he is from Kansas. He is doing it because his Christian beliefs are leading him to it. That is why it is not bigotry to say that there are Christians that are going to protest the funerals.

My comment about you being careful was SARCASM :sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

I cannot believe how many people on here are so damned unable to spot verbal irony.

[proud2BlibKansan]

90. Oh wow and to think if you hadn't straightened me out,

I'd be awash in ignorance.

But following your logic, Phelps is in Kansas, his family is in Kansas and his church is in Kansas. SOOOO it's not a leap to say Kansans are protesting the VT funerals.

Thanks! :hi:

[Goblinmonger]

94. It would be correct to say

but rather meaningless because that is not the source of his protest.

But his Christianity IS the reason for his protest, hence it is not bigotry to point out that Christians are protestest because they are. Not all of them, obviously, but some.

[Wednesdays]

123. I'm confused...

I didn't know there was a Church of Kansas. :shrug:

[Dorian Gray]

118. I think that most people understand what you are saying

Goblin.... and I would like to turn it around to you for a moment. You honestly think that the OP in the other thread had NO ulterior motive in posting that "Christians" were going to protest rather than Phelps and his ilk? Sure... I'll even say that Phelps is a Christian. But, there is still a HUGE difference there. It's like saying Muslims want all Americans dead! when referring to Al Queada. It's a purposeful malignment of a truth. It's twisting an idea around while staying technically true. It's an unfair characterization being used in order to agitate emotion, and I think that defending the wording is actually indicative of being as obtuse as you are accusing posters in this thread of being.

It's a purposeful characterization. The omition of Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church were not omitted accidentally in the OP. That IS the story, yet here we have an arguement about Christianity and what constitutes it in the face of a total asshole doing something so hateful and wrong that it's going to hurt a lot of people. It's ridiculous, and I truly believe that it was intentional on the OP's part.

[ObamaNationYes]

125. You are absolutely right and thanks for explaining what others are thinking

Wonder how the OP would have reacted if there were a post saying "Democrat and his followers to protest....

i understand why Christians do not want to claim him and I understand why Democrats do not want to claim him. He is CRAP before anything else.... HE IS CRAP!!

[Dorian Gray]

156. He's definitely a vile and disgusting human being

and I don't want to claim him as a fellow human. He's more like a reptilian/vermin cross.

[Goblinmonger]

165. I appreciate what you are saying

Yes, I will admit that there was inclusion of Christians for effect. I think the original poster admitted that in the other thread, to you. That does not make it bigotry, which is what I am trying to indicate here.

But just because he is an asshole doesn't mean that you can seperate the Christianity from him. I agree. He is a douche. And not all Christians are douches. I would venture to guess that the majority are not assholes. But the point is that the interpretation of Christianity that Phelps relys on is not a fringe interpretation. It is the same interpretation (albeit more fanatically presented) that led to the crusades, the inquisitions, the witch trials, the attacks on homosexuality that still exist in catholicism and other christian sects. That is a point that needs to be made and there are a lot of non-christians that wish the non-asshole christians would be more vocal in their opposition to Phelps and that level of interpretation and that does not mean disavowing him from christianity but actually trying to change/challenge the dogma.

I think that is the point of the other post and not bigotry.

Thank you for the reasonable response; the first of its kind on this thread. Appreciate it.

[Leopolds Ghost]

143. No, he is doing it because he is American. His fellow Americans tolerate his behavior.

Because they believe in a "Constitution" and that belief leads directly to
the actions of people like Phelps. How many mass murders have taken place
that were caused by patriotic Americans?

:sarcasm:

[Jo March]

134. Slight correction.

Yes, Phelps is a Christian. We cannot take that from him - that is for God to do.

He is protesting because of his beliefs which have NOTHING to do with the teachings and words of Christ.

You CANNOT find ANYTHING in the words of Christ that would support what Phelps is doing. Not one word.

Phelps is a loathsome man. He says that he is a Christian. Don't lump the rest of us Christians with that man because we aren't anything like him.

[Goblinmonger]

166. And they say that your interpretation of Christ

is just weak-assed mamby-pamby crap. They disavow you as "not real Christians." Both sides can turn to the Bible to defend their position and the other side ignores that part of the bible and focuses on another portion of the bible.

What/Who makes/made you the arbitor of what is and isn't Christianity? Can't you turn your statement around just as easily and say that it is YOU that should be worried when you die?

[Jo March]

170. Ah, nice try. I am not arbitrating what is and what is not Christianity

The Bible does that quite nicely.

If you read what I wrote, you'll see that I acknowledged that Phelps is, indeed, a Christian. It is not for me to make that determination.

If you'd continue to read what I wrote, you'll see that I wrote that Phelps cannot justify ANYTHING that he is doing with any of the words of Christ. You can't do it. You just can't.

A Christian focuses on the Bible, yes, but we try to live by the teachings and words of Christ. Those words never included any of the hatred that Phelps preaches.

[Goblinmonger]

178. Can it please be clear that I don't believe what I argue in this post.

I am an atheist, so the whole Jesus thing is a myth to me. But I have had a difficult time in the past with people misinterpreting my posts.

So, again, to be clear, I don't agree with what I argue here.

The sermon on the mount makes it clear that Jesus is not taking away the old laws (i.e. the old testament) but that he is fulfilling them. Matthew continues to go on to the "pluck out your eye" if you look at a hot chick line. All of this is in Matthew 5 somewhere around 10-30 (been a while since the old seminary days).

That alone seems like a pretty clear indication that the old testament would still apply. Hence Leviticus is NOT out an still is the law.

I can turn it on you, too, and ask where does Jesus specifically deny what Phelps says about homosexuality. The answer is nowhere.

Hebrews 13(?) does tell us that the marriage bed should remain undefiled which would include both heterosexual and homosexual affairs.

1 Corinthians somewhere about the beginning of 6 tells us that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of god. Of course it is a big long list of people that won't, but it is there in the new testament. Now I know it is vogue of people to say Paul wasn't a real christian, but, hey, he made the cut and is in the bible, so he has some juried publication going for him.

Jesus says in Mark 10 that god created male and female and that marriage is between the two sexes which would indicate that homosexuality is not the norm and not what god wanted.

How about we turn to Luke. Jesus says in Luke 10 that god was right with what he did to Sodom.

That's enough rememberin' for now. Clearly to say there is no argument for homosexuality being wrong according to christ is a little disingenuous.

[Jo March]

183. Jesus did not say anything about homosexuality, no

He DID say that one of the two greatest commandments was to "love thy neighbor as thyself." So, from that, you can extrapolate that His answer to Phelps would be, "Why are you breaking my commandment? Why do you not have love in your heart for people who are gay? What you are doing is in direct conflict with my teachings."

It's not disingenous at all. Christ preached love, tolerance, kindness, charity and peace. None of what Phelps is doing is in line with any of those.

You can bend and twist all that you want but Christ's words and teachings are in direct conflict with what Phelps is doing. So, what Phelps is doing is in direct violation with the teachings of Christ.

I can't say that any clearer than that. I'm sorry that you feel the need to try and twist all of this around to make it appear as though Christ would support Phelps in any way, shape or form. It just doesn't hold water.

And that is not my interpretation. If you take all of the words of Christ and compare them with what Phelps is doing, you won't find any support from Christ at all.

[Goblinmonger]

184. I'm kind of disappointed

that is your only response is "you're wrong."

OK, that's not fair. You did bring up the love your neighbor bit. Doesn't that contradict the Sodomn was destroyed for good reason? He tells us that god still hates people like those in Sodomn.

What about the other passages. I don't think I am twisting any of those passages one bit. I could say that you are twisting the "love your neighbor" when there are other passages that disagree.

Finally, I was not showing you what I believed. You asked for passages that support Phelps and I gave them to you.

[Jo March]

186. Where does Jesus contradict "Love thy neighbor"? Where?

He doesn't. You can't find any where He says that it's okay to hate.

You can be disappointed all you want. I asked for the words or teachings of Jesus Christ that support what Phelps is doing. You couldn't give me any because there are NONE.

Argh! Sodom was NOT destroyed because of homosexuality. Sodom was destroyed because of immorality of the entire town. God only found 1 righteous person in the town. The Sodomites surrounded Lot's house and wanted to talk to the 2 male angels that God had sent. Lot and his family escaped and God destroyed Sodom. The fact that some have tried to turn that into "God destroyed Sodom because of gay people" doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Scripture could be twisted that way, I suppose, but ONLY because the word "sodomy" and what it's meaning has become today. So, people say, "Well, sodomy means anal sex and so that must mean that Sodom was full of gay people and that's why God destroyed it." That's not correct.

As far as "Love thy neighbor as thyself" - there is NO way to twist that. How can you twist that? You can't. It's pretty darn clear. In fact, that commandment alone is why I am a liberal and believe in equal rights for all. There is no wiggle room.

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.

You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (Matthew 5:43)

So, I ask you again: Find in the teachings of Christ a verse that supports Phelps and what he is doing. Why is that important? Because being a Christian entails following the words of Christ. A Christian should follow the words and teachings of Christ. Christians should follow Christ not Phelps or Falwell or Robertson or any earthly preacher. They should follow Christ.

If Phelps seriously followed the teachings of Christ, he would be somewhere quietly helping the poor and downtrodden. He darn sure wouldn't be picketing funerals.

[Leopolds Ghost]

142. I thought he was protesting because of his American values. That's why they're all lawyers.

First Amendment and all that.

Are you saying Phelps is wrong to believe in America? :patriot:

Admit it, Phelps clan do this because they are Americans.

They self-identify as Americans. It is who they are.

[Goblinmonger]

167. That is disingenous at best

and you know it. Yes, they CAN do it because they live in the US. They ARE doing it because of their Christian dogma. Don't tell me you are so obtuse as to not know the difference.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

13. LAWYERS will protest at the VT funerals!!

Isn't most of that group made up of lawyers? Hoping for suit opportunities for unwarranted arrests?

Anyway, if we say they're lawyers, and they get beat up, nobody will care.

:rofl:

Good copycat, P2BL!

[blondeatlast]

16. Indeed they are, indeed they are. nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. Disbarred lawyers!!

All but a few have lost their law licenses.

[blondeatlast]

33. If any of them minored in English, they may go off on a tangent, too. nt

[Leopolds Ghost]

146. English Majors to Protest at VT Funeral!!! Don't get them started.

Per Garrison Kiellor.

[Critters2]

122. But they self-identify as lawyers. That seems to be what matters. nt

[Goblinmonger]

168. No, they don't self identify as lawyers.

Anyone who is a lawyer has gone to and graduated from a law school and holds a J.D.

Nice try, though.

[Leopolds Ghost]

144. If we killed all the lawyers as Shakespeare advised, the US would not be in the fix its in today.

Phelps proves that. :evilgrin:

[Goblinmonger]

169. You do realize how ignorant it is to use that quotation, right?

You do know the context of that line, don't you?

The line is delivered by Dick the Butcher (and he ain't named that because he works in a meat shop) to a couple other low lifes as they joke about what a perfect world would look like if they could fashion it and take control. Hardly something one would aspire to.

[Behind the Aegis]

14. kicky-poo

[blondeatlast]

15. Brilliant! Thank you. That damned thread had over 100 responses in

ONE HOUR.

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. And since I AM a Kansan,

it's okay for me to damn my state mates to eternal damnation, right?

[blondeatlast]

29. I'm a converted Kansan, Winfield sect. I refuse to be lumped in with you

judgmental, vindictive types...

:rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

55. And I am from Johnson County!

So I am just going to thumb my nose at you country slime.

:rofl:

[piedmont]

39. Thanks from me too. nt

[blondeatlast]

17. Watch THIS be the post that gets locked

for being a copycat...

:eyes: :shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. SSHHHHH

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

18. Kicking it above the hate post... nt

[Goblinmonger]

41. Hate?`

For god's sake, please explain how that "other post" is hate? Or bigotry? Go ahead.

[Little Wing]

23. God I hope this is the one that finally does it in for them

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. I doubt it will

But it's nice to think it might :)

[Midlodemocrat]

42. Me, too, but I'm not holding my breath.

[FastHorizon]

28. Thanks

This thread is a great response to the other one.

[Kerrytravelers]

34. Well done, my friend, well done.

[proud2BlibKansan]

46. Hee hee hee

Productive use of planning time, eh?
:rofl:

[piedmont]

36. Those damned Kansans!

[proud2BlibKansan]

48. I don't know how I have stood them all these years

[ronnykmarshall]

45. Mid Western LAWYERS will protest at the VT funerals!

:silly:

[proud2BlibKansan]

49. DISBARRED Midwestern Lawyers

[ronnykmarshall]

52. All of them?

Well that's good to know.

Fuckers.

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. All but one or two

Most have been disbarred.

[ronnykmarshall]

78. I'm sure the rest will be too.

I wish these fuckers would just move to Gyanna get it over with. Shit, I'd chip in for the koolaid.

[Goblinmonger]

50. Fucking asshat christians

that are representative of all christians and show the true colors and feelings of christianity towards gays will protest funerals.

Now THAT is bigoted and hate filled. And that is NOT what the other post said at all.

[ronnykmarshall]

54. Wow! That flowed right off you tongue.

Sounded so natural.

Good job.

[Goblinmonger]

59. Yeah, you got me.

That is what I think. I think that about my mom, my dad before he died, my sister who basically rasied me, my brothers, my best friends from my time at the seminary (including 3 that are now priests), roughly, what 70+% of the population of the country. Fuck them all. I hate them because they believe in Christ. I'm out now. Your detective skills are the best.
















Because there are dimwits on DU: :sarcasm: And because you apparently don't think that there is anyone out there capable of writing any degree of satire and people only write what they mean :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[ronnykmarshall]

72. Good god.

Get off the cross, we need the wood.

[blondeatlast]

77. ...

:rofl:

[ronnykmarshall]

80. I just hope the poster can "get" the joke ..

I forgot to add the :sarcasm: tag!

[Goblinmonger]

82. Here's what I find funny

Everyone bitches on DU about bigotry toward Christians. And everytime that I have asked for examples or how something is an example of bigotry in the past week, guess what I get. Bupkiss. Zip. Nadda. You can do your :rofl: all you want, but I have asked YOU specifically TWICE to explain how the original post is bigotry (you know, acutally formulate a cogent argument with logic and supporting evidence) and you have given me nothing. You just post around casting claims of bigotry. It's pretty damned easy to just make a claim when you have absolutely no concern for data and warrant (google "toulmin" if you need help with those two terms which I guess you probably will).

[Goblinmonger]

79. I know you are but what am I.

I am rubber you are glue....

Are you still in middle school?

YOU are the one with the persecution complex. YOU are the one trying to place bigotry on me, Hector Projector. I am just telling you that you have me wrong. I have plenty of friends that are Christian and I don't hate a one of them.

[Critters2]

126. Well said nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

128. LOL

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

60. Bad, Ronny, bad...

:spank:

[ronnykmarshall]

70. I try my best ...

and from the responce ...... I did my job.

[Goblinmonger]

74. How does my response prove

that is what I think about Christians? Please explain. It is one thing to high five over how smart you are and it is another to actually show what it is you think you have proven. So please, if you are going to continue to accuse me of being a bigot, I would like an explanation. Otherwise, shut it.

[ronnykmarshall]

83. Um, sweetie.

You stuck your ass out and made the comment about "dimwits" not "getting it" with out the :sarcasm: tag. Well, I wrote something without the tag and you had a shit fit.

So? What does that tell, ya? May I suggest you check your own "dimwit" meter, hon.

[Goblinmonger]

88. So, according to you

when you said "get off the cross, we need the wood" was NOT an attempt to say that I had a persecution complex. You were actually saying that I had a good point and that it was the others that had the persecution complex. Well thank you for your support. I'm sorry I missed the fact that you agree with me that the other thread is not bigotry.

[ronnykmarshall]

89. Again .... wood.

It's needed. If you get down, I'll get you some cheese to go along with your whine.

[Goblinmonger]

95. So it WASN'T sarcasm, then.

Nice of you to try and mock me by claiming it was when it clearly wasn't. See, sarcasm is when you say one thing and mean the opposite. You said something and meant it. Being "clever" is not equal to sarcasm. But at least you are trying to portray ME as the dumbass in this when you clearly don't understand what sarcasm is. Or you are deliberately misstating it to make yourself look good. Take your pick.

[Critters2]

154. LOL!!! You're on a roll! nt

[RevCheesehead]

136. Fucking asshat atheists

that are representative of all atheists and show the true colors and feelings of atheists towards Christians will post on DU.

That, too, is bigoted and hate filled.


Just holding up a mirror.

[Goblinmonger]

171. OK

I wasn't saying what I believed, of course, and identified it as such. I was trying to give a contrast for what other people are saying is bigotry that isn't.

[merh]

179. you tell 'em

:thumbsup:

or is it show 'em (as in holding up the mirror) :shrug:


:hi:

[MuseRider]

51. Hey proud!

I was just wondering why you cited that particular blog. I don't have time to look around much but I did not see a headline like that, did they change it? I like that blog, I read it now and then for theater reviews, at least the ones I know about. Just wondering. :hi:

[blondeatlast]

58. Actual headline: Virginia Tech Funerals to be Target of Westboro Baptist Picket.

Keep reading the blog (I had never seen it before, myself).

Looks like a good one.

[Goblinmonger]

61. Quit disparaging Baptists n/t

[blondeatlast]

68. I didn't. that was the ACTUAL headline from the linked site.

But you're too busy being POed at this thread to take a look at the link from the original "Christiand" post to notice, aren't you?

[Goblinmonger]

71. Who cares what the original headline was.

Please explain to me how the title of the other thread is bigoted. Is Phelps a Christian? Yes, he is a member of a Baptist sect. Is he and others from his church protesting? Yes. Does that other thread say that all Christians are protesting? No. Does that other thread compare Phelps to all Christians or say all Christians are like Phelps? No.

Please explain to me how it is bigotry, then. I'm still waiting for that answer after having asked it three times on this thread.

[blondeatlast]

73. Show me where I said it was bigotry.

We're having a little fun with another thread that was specifically designed to cause an uproar.

Thanks, you've done a grand job making this one entertaining as well! :rofl:

Nice work, do you do satire professionally? Got a site I can look at?

[Goblinmonger]

Post # 18 on here

You refer to it as "the hate post."

[blondeatlast]

97. Wow, you parsed my kick. So, do you do satire professionally?

As I asked above?

You're really good, I'm thoroughly enjoying this!

You parsed my kick--now that is dedication to the craft! Congratulations. Sorry for being redundant, I'm just really impressed. You parsed my kick...

[Goblinmonger]

103. Good lord, I didn't parse your kick

I parsed the portion of the kick in which you described what you were kicking it "over" which, according to your description, was hate. Are you now claiming that you don't think the other thread is hate? Are you now claiming that was just some toss off comment that didn't relate to the other thread? You asked where you called it bigotry and I showed you. If you disagree, please explain why instead of misrepresnting what I said.

[ronnykmarshall]

101. I'm expecting jumping up and down

stomping of feet and spitting next.

[Goblinmonger]

107. OK, you can help out

Explain to me how "kicking it above the hate" is not an indication that blonde thinks the other thread is hate filled. I would love to see that explained. Stop throwing around meaningless catch phrases and actually formulate a cogent argument. I have yet to see one in this thread that has explained the bigotry of the other thread. I'm not expecting one from you, but at least I've asked.

[Name removed]

114. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Telly Savalas]

164. So you think "Atheists Commit Mass Executions" would make a good title

for an article about the Khmer Rouge?

I think it's inflammatory and a distortion, but that's just me.

[Goblinmonger]

172. I guess I get to say this a hundred times in this thread.

Was Pol Pot killing in the name of or because of his atheism? If he was (which he wasn't by the way) then it would be pertinent. Phelps is protesting because of his Christian dogma. It is what he believes God is doing because Phelps believes God sees homosexuality as an abomination (as the bible says it is). See the difference?

It's like this:

Bigoted and not necessary: "Look at Bob; he's a male nurse."
NOT bigoted and on-point: "Take this in the lounge and give it to the male nurse"

Bigoted and not necessary: "Christians hate gays."
NOT bigoted and on-point: "Christians will protest VT funeral services)

[Jo March]

187. Bigoted and NOT true "Christians hate gays."

Not bigoted and (sadly) true: "Some Christians hate gays."

Bigoted and NOT true: "Christians will protest VT funeral services."

Not bigoted and (sadly) true: "Some Christians will protest VT funeral services."

Why is one bigoted? Because of the implication that all Christians will be protesting VT funeral services where in reality only a very small, very radical sect of Christians will be protesting the funerals. (I don't know of any Christian group out there that supports him.)

Flamebait: "Christians will protest VT funeral services." Why is that flamebait? Because not all Christians agree with Phelps and it's that implied "all" in there that lumps us all together.

If you can't see the difference, then you are either being deliberately obtuse or you just don't get it.

So, to make it very simple: Don't lump all of us Christian DUers in with Phelps. When you do that, then you ARE being an anti-Christian bigot.

[MuseRider]

139. It really is.

I like to look at it now and then. I found it looking for Spring Awakening reviews.

[proud2BlibKansan]

64. Found it on another thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=678200&mesg_id=678200

[MuseRider]

138. Thanks.

I will wade through that thread later tonight.

Kansans? Oh really? Pftttt. :crazy:

[proud2BlibKansan]

147. Yeah you wanna ride to VA?

I can drive! :)

[MuseRider]

153. Only if we can take these guys with us

They were at our counter protest when Phelps came to torture the poor people that owned the Lakewood Hotel in Meade.

Now I HAVE to leave for my bored (misspelling intentional) meeting.

[Goblinmonger]

67. So if I posted this in the Atheist forum

and gave links to the other articles, my post would be locked for "rallying the troops" and I would risk being tombstoned.

I'm not alerting on you because that's not the way I do things, but I do what to know, how do you think this is not a rallying of the troops? You aren't just raising the issue, you are using a post to get people to go onto another post? Would Christ do that?

[Erebus67]

As a Christian those Westboro people make me want to puke

I can't for the life of me figure out what exactly they are trying to accomplish. It's an aweful lot of energy expended just to sit around and belittle people. If they really think they have a point to make they are going about it in the most detestable way I can think of. They practically dance on the graves of the dead.

[Goblinmonger]

96. I completely agree

He is a complete douche. No argument here. But he is still a Christian. I do not think he is representative of any christianity other than his own sect. But still a christian. A huge asshat christian. Many, many, many other christians are not asshats but really cool people.

[proud2BlibKansan]

162. Get a grip, Dude

This isn't about attacking you or your beliefs. It's called SATIRE.

[Goblinmonger]

173. I was with you on the satire of the OP

I get that. I don't agree with the satirical point and have tried to make that clear (i.e. the other post wasn't bigotry). But at the point where you link to the other post in a manner that caused other people to go over there and post, it seems to me to be a case of "rallying the troops" which would (and has) gotten people banned from the atheist forum.

Just so I am clear and concise:

OP = fine
Linking to get other like-minded people to go to thread = not fine

[proud2BlibKansan]

180. I linked to explain my OP

Didn't want folks to think it was just a Kansas bashing thread. I live here and we are worn out over the criticism of our state. Wasn't trying to get anyone to go to the other thread. Sorry you feel offended.

[Initech]

76. This seals it. Fred Phelps is officially the biggest douche in the universe.

Sorry John Edward, I know you wanted that title (the guy who thinks he can talk to dead people, not the former VP candidate). Same with O'Reilly, I know he was vying for that title as well. But Fred Phelps is now officially the biggest douche in the universe.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

81. In the Old Testament, people used to be stoned in the town center...

Wouldn't it be friggin' ironic...

[Erebus67]

92. More like appropriate, It sounds like blasphemy to me

Not that I am advocating any harm on these people. I guess they have the right to say whatever hate filled and vile thing they want to say. I just wish they wouldn't get any airplay.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

109. VT has a football team, probably in spring drills right now...

And why have all that wear and tear on your tackling dummies?

...I'm just saying. A few good cut blocks and they'll get the hint.

[soup]

85. Toto, too? n/t

[Name removed]

86. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

87. I am a Kansan (living in Texas, but still a Kansan)

And I am NOT a hate-filled bigot! I am ashamed to share Kansas heritage with these bloodthirsty cretins.

[blondeatlast]

91. This thread is a response to this thread, posted this morning:

Warning--it's rough in here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=678200&mesg_id=678200

[ronnykmarshall]

106. Hell, it's getting a little rough in HERE.

Lordy!

[BlooInBloo]

99. Defense rests....

... Nobody assumes it's *all* Kansans protesting, after all.

:rofl:

[Goblinmonger]

110. Shut up, bigot

Don't you know this thread is just "all in fun." We don't want your Christian hating ways in here.




For those not following along (not you Bloo) :sarcasm:

[BlooInBloo]

140. lol!

[jonnyblitz]

149. you would think christianity was some persecuted minority

religion the way they are carrying on here.:crazy: fred phelps is a BAPTIST PREACHER (=CHRISTIAN) no matter what they say.

[BlooInBloo]

151. I feel bad for the christianity Marketing Department.

[brentspeak]

161. No, I would think, on that board, disruptors are trying to disrupt the boards

by deliberately creating a thread title designed as flamebait, contrary to your disingenuous post.

[Goblinmonger]

174. Haven't you heard?

The powers that be have declared baptists NOT christian so Phelps is out. Didn't you get the memo?

[stirlingsliver]

100. Topekans To Protest At VT Funerals!

People from Topeka will protest at VT Funerals!

[huskerlaw]

102. Well played.

:thumbsup:

[JVS]

104. Fucking Kansans with their funeral protesting ways!

[ronnykmarshall]

105. White people to protest at VT funerals!

Ok, I'll just do it m'self.

:spank:

[stirlingsliver]

108. As In This

See This Thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x680245

[ronnykmarshall]

111. Ah SHIT!

I missed that. Hold on .... I got another one.

[okasha]

158. Drat.

Beat me to it.

[ronnykmarshall]

112. Earthlings to protest at the VT funerals!

That should about cover it. Unless we have a large Martian membership that might feel left out.

[stirlingsliver]

117. Not All Earthlings

Mammals to protest at VT Funerals!

(Well, perhaps they are reptiles)

I guess we'll have to see how they "self identify".

[Dorian Gray]

115. That other thread is a joke

The OP pretty much admitted that it was a venture in entertainment. Whatever.

[blondeatlast]

119. That's what Rush Limbaugh always says as well. "It's entertainment." nt

[Dorian Gray]

120. And Limbaugh's a hate filled jerk

who likes to rile his minions up, too!

[RevCheesehead]

129. Fucking Toto.

I just knew he'd amount to no good. :grr:

[stirlingsliver]

130. Phelps Is Good At Doing That.

Phelps, as I understand it, is an expert at doing that. (Fucking Toto).

Poor Toto.

[RevCheesehead]

131. Phelps? Who's that?

Not Jim, I hope.

[LanternWaste]

137. Brilliant. Brilliant. One more time.... brilliant.

Brilliant. Brilliant. One more time.... brilliant. :rofl:

Somewhere along the line, you really brushed someone's hair the wrong way on this one.

A tip of the hat, to you.

[proud2BlibKansan]

163. Well thank you very much!

It was pretty easy. I am a Kansan, which makes it okay to post this. Looks like I hit a gusher!! :rofl:

[Charlie Brown]

145. well, I guess we may finally be rid of the Westboro crowd

because if they actually do this, I think some of them may actually get killed, or at the very least hospitalized.

I can't say I feel very sorry for any of them, if that is what happens.

so what is Fred's "argument" exactly, for what the VA Tech students were doing that dishonored God, or promoted homosexuality, or whatever drivel he dreams up in cuckoo-land?

[Leopolds Ghost]

152. Within the white, Kansas community you can distinguish yourselves any way you want

"Within (the white community) you can distinguish yourselves any way you want, but those of us who are not (white) aren't obligated to know the distinctions and minutia of various sects. We simply see another group of (white people), not so terribly unlike most other groups of (white people) that we see."

QED

Put it another way:

No True American would picket the VT funeral.

This is a fallacy.

Ergo, it is a fallacy
to proclaim that Phelps' actions are unrelated to his beliefs as an American.

Right? :shrug:

[BlooInBloo]

175. The christianity Marketing Division will never give in on this jingle...

... in some ways it's the last real grip they have on the idiot public.

[Leopolds Ghost]

181. I simply quoted one of the bigoted statements someone made in defense of your OP

And substituted race for religion. The context provides no defense for such remarks...

[Goblinmonger]

176. It has never been argued

that the American bit doesn't apply because of a "no true american" fallacy.

Did you get a bulk discount at the strawman sale in your town, or what?

The point is that the fact he is American is NOT why he is protesting. It makes it possible in our free society (though there are those on here that argue he shouldn't have that right which is interesting but another discussion all together). He is doing it because of his Christian dogma. A fact you have NEVER addressed. Since that is the cause of his protest, it seems reasonable to mention the cause when discussing the protest.

But hey, just keep repeating things to catapult the propaganda (who was it that said that again?).

[Leopolds Ghost]

182. The vision of Christ that thou dost see n/t

[ComerPerro]

177. still rather be a Kansan than a Texan though, eh Proud?

[baldguy]

185. He puts mayonaise on his french fries!

He has no business running for Prez!