Elisabeth Hasselbeck trying to spout right wing talking points re: the shooting

[mudesi]

Thankfully, Rosie and Joy are doing their best to shut her down, and I don't think even she has the courage to become vehement on this one, given how wrong she most likely knows she is. It's a commercial break now, but I think they might still talk about this subject when they come back.

[BlueManDude]

1. ban video games - more guns for all!!!

this is not a parody.

[Selatius]

3. Dr. Phil was on the other night on CNN railing on violent video games as well.

Is he really a doctor?

[BlueManDude]

5. sad but true fact

a plurality of members of congress would sooner slap a ban on the "grand theft auto" video game than they would a weapon that could wipe out dozens of poeple in seconds.

[Selatius]

2. Is she saying if people were allowed to carry guns to school, so many lives would be saved?

Is that roughly her response?

[mudesi]

4. She tried to bring up the "guns prevent crime" lie

"How many women prevented a rape because a gun", "Over 40,000 people saved themselves because they had a gun", etc.

Nobody wants to talk about the real social and economic issues as to why crime happens in the first place.

[Selatius]

7. You mean poverty.

If poverty went down, crime would usually fall as well. Unfortunately, you need social programs to alleviate poverty, and rich people don't want to pay high taxes for that, so they buy off Congress.

[unpossibles]

9. well, don't forget the various prohibition morality laws that also create crime

although those are generally related to poverty as well.

[MidwestTransplant]

10. How many people would be shot on campus/year if drunk kids ran around armed?

[Selatius]

11. I argued earlier that faculty, staff should be allowed to carry licensed firearms on campus.

Maybe someone among them would've shot the gunman before he killed 33 students. Of course, I want those staff/faculty to pass criminal background checks and a gun safety education course before being allowed to carry guns onto campus.

Hell, here where I am, plenty of students own firearms of all kinds from shotguns to hunting rifles to handguns. Of course, this is Mississippi State University I'm talking about, out here in the boonies.

[BlueManDude]

6. More guns is always the answer. n/t

[phaseolus]

8. Ballad of the Kingsmen, Todd Snider

(Sorry for the length of this - bear with me here, this is on topic...)


The Kingsmen came together in a garage,
They could hardly even play
But they practiced night
And day pretty soon they got to where they could really play that song Louie,
Louie
So, they saved up all the money from the shows,
Went in to one of them studios and gave their version of the song a try

Now, I don't know the words to that song Louie,
Louie and I'm pretty sure the singer for the
Kingsmen didn't know ‘em either,
If he did know ‘em he didn't get ‘em right on the record
Cause on the record they sound jumbled in his jaw? It says,
Me think of me girl oh so constantly
Ahmayaaah makaaaah aahh ooohoooh aaaaah
Well, that last part scared everybody from the PTA to the FBI
You see, the kids had been going kind of crazy lately
And it seemed like nobody could figure out why,
So they decided to form a coalition,
Launch an investigation, you know for the children, they at least had to try
To figure out the words to Louie, Louie


Chorus
It's the feel good hit of this endless summer
It gets these kids out of control
Singin along to that star spangled bummer,
Hail, hail rock and roll

Marilyn Manson’s real name isn't even Marilyn Manson,
He's a skinny public high school Kid from Florida,
Not some monster from out of this world and like of a lot other skinny long hair public
High school kids he was sick of getting
Beaten up by the pulling guard all week only to go out on the weekend,
And watch the Quarterback get all the girls so,
He formed a band man
Now' he gets all the girls,
A few years later a couple of latchkey kids go tragically
Mad and everybody's standing around the television store at the mall trying to figure out what went wrong,
This guy says,
You think the life of a kid going to high school could've gotten so bad this other guy says nah,
It's just the words to one of them goddamn Marilyn Manson songs,
You know the one

Chorus

You know, every ten years or so our country and some other little country,
We start firing all of our newest weapons
At each other for some reason or another, right or wrong,
Like it or not, it happens, and when it happens
People get shot and when people get shot,
They show it on tv a lot every night at six o clock
And you don't even have to be eighteen to see it you don't even have to be in first grade,
First grade where they teach the kid pride
They tell him he'll need to thrive,
In a world where only the strong will survive,
So he's taught the art of more
To compare to and to keep score Monday thru Friday while
He stares at the floor til' Sunday they make him go to
School once more only this time they make him wear a suit and a tie
And listen to some guy who claims to know Where people go
When they die tell him that only the meek are gonna inherit the earth Well shit,
By this time the kid doesn't know what anything
Is worth, now brothers and sisters I am only one guy
And I don't even know the words to that song Louie,
Louie but I can tell you right now without batting an eye
That the next time some latchkey kid goes wrong
It aint gonna be cause that Eminem gets to say the word Fag in his song
And I'm not trying to preach to ya either,
I'm just trying to sing to ya too, you know string a few words together

Hey kids...
Lets get it on,
Lets get it on