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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:19 PM
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Blue Dog Jane Harman backs public option after son dropped from insurance coverage
Why We're Breaking With the Blue Dogs on the Public Option
Rep. Jane Harman and Rep. Loretta Sanchez



We're Blue Dogs, too, and we believe in the group's core principles. But we've broken with our Blue Dog sisters and brothers over their lukewarm support for the public insurance option a concept we think must be part of a successful health care reform package.


-snip
We understand the fear of many insured Californians that health care reform will take away their current doctors and coverage. However, the grim reality is that many more insured people will lose their coverage without reform.

In August it happened to Rep. Harman's 27-year-old son, who was dropped from his insurance after suffering a torn eardrum.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-jane-harman/why-were-breaking-with-th_b_318743.html



Rep. Jane Harman's 27-year-old son, was dropped from his insurance after suffering a torn eardrum. So you wonder had this event not happened would she have continued to fight against a public option? It shouldn't take an effect on one's own family for action and may I add this statement:

"Blue Dog Coalition - a group of House Democrats committed to fiscal responsibility and budget discipline."

Um...what about fighting to protect corporate interest? At least blood runs deeper than corporate greenbacks, at least this time!

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Blue State Blues Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:21 PM
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1. Some people only understand a problem when it becomes their problem
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:25 PM
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5. Exactly. Blue dogs aka DINO's only support something if it effects them.
otherwise the poor can go fuck themselves.

Fine, I'll take her vote. But she's still a selfish jerk.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 10:12 PM
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45. yeah, because otherwise they are just soulless skanks. Too bad it
took this to make her move closer to human.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 03:26 PM
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49. I don't believe her.
I don't trust her at all.

I think the Senate will try to slide a bunch of bullshit THEY define as
Public Option, to be anything BUT effective.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 04:11 PM
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51. I agree.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:22 PM
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2. The blue dogs are sickening in their prissy little
pedastal stance bc they're scared of not getting voted in again. I know that from my own blue dog congressman in the 24 District of New York.

So there has to be a personal experience to understand the plight of suffering?
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:23 PM
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4. Emails to your blue dog dem will also help.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:43 PM
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18. Yes, thanks, I've
been doing that and phone calls.
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:22 PM
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3. Too bad Jane couldn't empathize with her constituents and their needs.
Too bad she sided with the insurance companies until her child's pocketbook was affected.

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:26 PM
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11. You'd think this quote would have persuaded her:
"The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 97 percent of all Americans would have insurance coverage if legislation that includes a public option becomes law"


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-jane-harman/why-were-breaking-with-th_b_318743.html

but NO...when it might have effected her having to dish out bucks to help her son, then her support shifts :mad:
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:25 PM
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6. Glad she has seen the light and in the nick of time. Welcome Jane.
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BooBluePotion Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:25 PM
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7. Traits of a freeper
Leave a nasty taste in real life. I hope other dems learn from this sick mentality of selfishness.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:30 PM
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13. Exactly! Yet, if we dare say that many Dems share traits with the RW, we are excoriated.
Something we learned as dirtyhippiecommiepinkobums... "Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me."

Welcome to reality, Janie. Here's to many more awakenings....:toast:

Now, maybe a taste of homelessness would build yet another fire underneath her.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 08:39 PM
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39. Well, my first thought was, 'how republican of her', as most
of the republicans that I know change their attitudes when something happens to a family member, etc. Par for the course for a repub.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 11:19 PM
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46. I guess the difference as I see it would be that Republicans only change their attitudes when
it comes to their own loved ones, they still won't give a flying fuck about anyone else. For example, the Cheneys got all worked up that anyone dare to bring up their beloved lesbian daughter, but their attitudes towards gay rights for anyone besides their daughter remain unchanged. They don't see the hypocrisy in that at all.
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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:25 PM
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8. Jane Harman is worth 112 Million Dollars
That is all.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:30 PM
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14. Let's hope this isn't how she became so wealthy:
CQ's sources, and sources cited today in the New York Times, say that Harman was caught on the wiretap telling the suspected Israeli agent that she would lobby Bush administration officials to reduce the charges against the two members of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) accused of spying. In exchange, the sources said, the suspected agent promised to help her get appointed chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

-snip

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2009/04/jane_harmans_mysterious_conver.html

SORRY...I'M STILL IRKED OVER THIS
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:49 PM
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22. Didn't she lose that position when Pelosi took over?
Jane liked the idea of the Iraq war way too much as far as I could see.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 08:33 PM
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38. Yes, thankfully Speaker Pelosi made a good call denying that chairmanship.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:57 PM
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34. DINOs, like actual repukes, are allowed to give a crap about issues
when one directly affects them or their immediate family. Just not us. :eyes: Witness uber-repuke Dan Burton chairing hearings on autism after his grandchild was diagnosed.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:25 PM
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9. Why the hell does it have to take her "own ox" being gored
before she can do the right thing?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:26 PM
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10. Kick
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 04:27 PM by jpak
Wake up congress critters - these are your benevolent sugar daddies at work.

When it happens to someone else's family - it's urban legend and socialist whining.

When it happens to your family - well that's a different story.

Harman's family is not unique, this kind of horseshit happens all the time.

wake the fuck up
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:27 PM
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12. HAHAHAHA! Please God, may it happen to more.
What our humanity has come to, when compassion has to be learned the hard way.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:33 PM
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15. I know you dont mean that in a mean way, because it will happen to more. Millions more.
Pres Obama doesnt have the power to fight the powerful health INSURANCE lobby. Things will get worse, much worse before they get better.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:35 PM
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17. I figure someone would get around to that, Yes, I don't care any longer if it's mean or whatever.
It has come to be very true in this country...... the lack of compassion is horrible, and getting worse. There is only one way that hard-hearted people seem to learn. If that's what it takes....so be it.

They could always choose to learn a softer way.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:53 PM
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25. He most certainly does.
He chooses not to use it.

Over 70% of the public wants a medicare for all who choose it public option. If he would bother to ask for our help he'd get it and some.

But if the message you send is one of a "but a sliver" public option that may or may not be in the final reform, all you do is confuse people and dilute/divide their support.

He chose to put the ins. companies in a controlling position. Given his intelligence I can't believe he didn't know exactly what he was doing and to whom.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 08:40 PM
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41. ITA, Ipaint. Something stinks about how we were sold out.
There have been many times when he should have talked to the PEOPLE not the politicians. It seems like he's ignored us.

Most people I know -even conservatives- want major change. They wanted to buy into the Federal Employees system or wanted a medicare for all single payer.
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:46 PM
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19. Not just any people, but to blue dogs and republicans. I hope they're all denied by their insur cos.
or dropped by them. Then maybe they'll get it..when it hits home.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:48 PM
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20. That was a given. And don't forget the worst of all... LIBERTARIANS.
The No Heart Party.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:49 PM
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23. It will. The current system is unsustainable. More and more are going to lose coverage.
Unless we stop the progression it will eventually kill itself. No one will be left with coverage.
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:31 PM
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29. I had been thinking that myself, rhett.
(You're not the same "rhett" from the old "sign watch" chat group way back when are you? If so, Hi!)
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:44 PM
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31. Not the same. But Hi anyways. nt
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:38 AM
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47. Greed can only go so far before nobody has anything left to take.
Libraries didn't put bookstores out of business; public schools didn't eliminate private schools; USPS didn't get in the way of FedEx and UPS; public transportation doesn't discourage car sales; Why then are people afraid of a public option for basic healthcare?
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:33 PM
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16. Now if she will just take her experience and convert at least one other BlueDog.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:48 PM
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21. Well, she's a regular hero, isn't she?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:51 PM
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24. She, like the rest of the greedy, will discover that the gold given them by the insurance
industry can not buy health.
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ThisThreadIsSatire Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:55 PM
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26. What "representatives"!
If it never happened in their families, those they represent would still be getting told to go fuck themselves...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:58 PM
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27. Harmon is Feinstein's twin separated at birth.
She has no business in public office.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:14 PM
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28. Feinstein's hubbie makes big $ w defense contracts, what about Harmon's?
:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:38 PM
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30. His company did audio, recording type equipment
which made the sting she was caught in sort of ironic. I don't know much about him. Goldman Sachs was going to buy Harman International in 2007 or so but they changed their minds.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:53 PM
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32. Marcy Winograd - a real progressive - running for Harman's seat

Winograd is a winner! Say buh bye Jane.

www.winograd4congress.com
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:33 PM
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48. Thank you.
I've bookmarked her site to add her to my political contributions list. I don't have a lot of money to contribute, but I'm happy to send some to a progressive challenger to get rid of reps like Harman.
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:55 PM
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33. I find it disgusting that it was just fine when it was happening to
Other people's sons, and mothers, and grandchildren. But the minute something happens to her own son, it's time for legislation.
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:00 PM
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35. Good doggie! And if ya stop peein' on the master's leg, we'll let you stay in the house! n/t
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:10 PM
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36. They are supposed to represent Everyone's Family.
It should not take something happening to their own family to get them to do the right thing. :grr:

This just highlights that she was not thinking about anyone else's family. Nobody else's family mattered. :(
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:44 PM
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37. In the words of the Emperor...
"Young fool...only now, do you understand..."

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ThePantaloon.com Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 08:39 PM
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40. Every legislator should be without healthcare for a year
Then they'll understand the public option.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 08:41 PM
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42. AMEN!!!!! n/t
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 08:41 PM
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43. This is fucking idiotic bullshit...
I mean, I'm glad she's now for it, but why the fuck does it take a personal story like that for a Crongresscritter to fucking see reality!??? Isn't that their damn job!??? And we're lucky he was dropped, usually members of Congress are kept in a bubble so they never do see reality and react like this. Whoever dropped that son's coverage is probably fucked now, but good on them, I guess.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 09:15 PM
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44. All politics is personal
as if we needed more proof. The only way anything is done is if it happens to "them".
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 03:28 PM
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50. Both are full of it..
they are only for it because it somehow affected them if not they would be saying to hell with us! What else will they side with the CONS on..
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Riley18 Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 04:28 PM
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52. Harmon may have changed her views because of her own kid,
but it doesn't make her worthy of reelection. She should have been for a strong public option for her district not just for her own family. She lacks common sense and vision. Democrats need more Allan Graysons.
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Riley18 Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 04:28 PM
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53. Harmon may have changed her views because of her own kid,
but it doesn't make her worthy of reelection. She should have been for a strong public option for her district not just for her own family. She lacks common sense and vision. Democrats need more Allan Graysons.
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Riley18 Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 04:28 PM
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54. Harmon may have changed her views because of her own kid,
but it doesn't make her worthy of reelection. She should have been for a strong public option for her district not just for her own family. She lacks common sense and vision. Democrats need more Allan Graysons.
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