A brief word for DUers who claim support of the President is treating him like an "American Idol"

[ProSense]

It's condescending.

[stray cat]

1. Its arrogant and just like the right wing and Rush L -much of DU is left version of free republic

"I'm angry and everyone else should be to" or your a troll, a DLCer or you drank the koolaid"

[ProSense]

2. Thin skinned and they can dish it out, but can't take it.

How does a thread calling out DUers in such a manner end up on the front page?

[Forkboy]

6. You talk about not being able to take it while starting this thread...

...and wondering how the other one did so well.

[ProSense]

7. And two others are being rated up while you're complaining in this one. n/t

[Forkboy]

10. I'm not complaining about not being able to take it like you are.

[Kermitt Gribble]

15. Seems to me

the left version of free republic is the people here who feel they need to defend an elected official for their every decision (we called them 23 percenters during the last admin).

[ProSense]

16. Seems to me

Congressman Grayson could be called an "American Idol" fan.

Criticizing the President by trying portray those who support him as fanatics is RW BS.

[Kermitt Gribble]

33. Well there's your problem. Those who 'support' him?

I would wager that the vast majority of DUers 'support' him. Your definition of support is distorted: (criticism != non-support). You seem to think in order to 'support' him, you must not criticize him.

[ProSense]

34. I also suspect that a vast majority of DUer know

"He's the President not the contestant we like on American Idol"?

So is such a sentiment aimed at nonsupporters?

[Kermitt Gribble]

38. Defending a politician

on every issue, especially if that same defender criticized the previous admin for the exact same policy, is most definitely a trait of a fanatic.

"So is such a sentiment aimed at nonsupporters?"

There you go again with your misunderstanding of the word 'support'. People who criticize the President are not 'nonsupporters'.

[ProSense]

49. Oh this is rich

"same defender criticized the previous admin for the exact same policy, is most definitely a trait of a fanatic."

What do you call the people who want him to act like Bush when it comes to certain issues, like ignoring the law?

"There you go again with your misunderstanding of the word 'support'. People who criticize the President are not 'nonsupporters'."

Again, do was the statement about distinguishing the President from an "American Idol" aimed at nonsupporters. Your response doesn't address the question.

[Kermitt Gribble]

66. Your constant referencing of people who criticize

the President as "nonsupporters" does not warrant a response.

[ProSense]

73. Now, point to where I referred to "people who criticize the President as'nonsupporters'"

You are talking in circle trying to avoid the question:

Was the statement, "He's the President not the contestant we like on American Idol," aimed at nonsupporters?

[Forkboy]

3. So is telling people who just want equal rights that they must not have gotten their pony yet.

And for every person who compares your support to American Idol there's three who dump on gay rights and call it poutrage.

[ProSense]

5. Stop with the generalizations.

It's no better than calling someone a troll, a Kool-aid drinker or DLC tool.

[Forkboy]

8. Yes, you should.

[ProSense]

11. Right because the characterization in the OP is an acceptable generalization? n/t

[Forkboy]

20. No worse than your use of "special group" was.

[ProSense]

27. In response to an OP that

claims a specific group shouldn't be criticized because they are right (know more), and goes on to refer to the critics as "these people"

It is a special group:

1) They aren't the purist you think they are.

2) They aren't generally single issue DUers.

3) They know the issue better than you do.

4) These people need to vent.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. Link?

[Vickers]

9. Yeah, but in their defense, it's also stupid.

:thumbsup:

[Nikki Stone1]

12. But it's often true.

When we lose our ability to critique our own, we become sheeple.

[saracat]

13. True words.

[ProSense]

14. Wow.

Thanks for proving the point.

[Nikki Stone1]

18. I said that critique was necessary, and you seem to be proving my point

Thanks for your support. :)

[ProSense]

21. Evidently critique isn't necessary unless it's aimed at the President.

Look how many people recommended an OP that basically says don't criticize a particular group because they are right (know more than you do) and need to vent.

[AllentownJake]

22. Look at how may people are unrecing this

You are on tilt today my friend.

[ProSense]

25. I guess that's proof they are right?

More of your scientific wisdom.

[AllentownJake]

26. I'm sure if you sat down

and thought before you went on an all out rage over something you read, you might articulate any argument where more people agree with you.

[ProSense]

28. So you don't think it's condescending to call supporters of the President "American Idol" fans?

Really?

[AllentownJake]

29. Hey Genius

I'm a "supporter" of the President. Just because I don't like what he's doing on somethings doesn't mean I don't support him.

[ProSense]

31. I suppose it takes genius to believe that

people don't know that "He's the President not the contestant we like on American Idol"?

Condescending.

[ampad]

46. Well I guess that settles it

I do not agree with what the OP has done here simply because it fuels the nonsense.However, I think your second soap box post says it all. I noticed that in your first post you tried to poo poo a poster away by stating that you got sooo many recs for that post. Stating, obviously everyone agrees with me so move along (paraphrasing). I noticed a new soap box post started by you when the time to rec the first one expired. I hate to tell you but with a message board this size 100 or so recs is nothing. I saw a post stating nearly the opposite of your opinion with well over 100 recs- I think it was up to 400- this past weekend. I have also witnessed a post with close to a thousand recs. IMO, you are both are on a tilt with this one. So many soapboxes, so little time.

[AllentownJake]

55. Point taken

[Nikki Stone1]

24. These people you are talking about are ALWAYS criticized for their lack of "loyalty"

or whatever. They want a single thread to vent? Let'm vent.

You, my friend, support your president right or wrong, and that's ok. But don't get all personally bent out of shape because not everyone shares your perspective.

I LIKE Obama. I voted for the man. But that doesn't mean he's doing right. And when he's not doing right he needs to know.

[ProSense]

32. As opposed to those who are always criticized for treating the President like an "American Idol"?

Extreme generalizations, and you are defending them.

[Nikki Stone1]

36. Your feelings are really hurt, dude.

Leave the keyboard and have sometime to eat. Walk the dog. You'll feel better.

[ProSense]

37. First, I'm not a "dude" and second, I'm fine, but don't let me stop you from taking a walk.

I can call bullshit out and breathe at the same time.

[AllentownJake]

39. Let me see to two of my post

You have responded like 30 times on one and made your own op to piss and moan about the other one. You seem like somebody who needs a break.

[Nikki Stone1]

40. Well, then breathe.....and don't let this crap get to you so much.

Obama needs to hear that he's not on target. If we don't tell him, who will? The RW who think he's Hitler? or Stalin?

Why are you so upset that some people might have criticism of the man?

[ProSense]

41. "Obama needs to hear that he's not on target." The OP isn't about what Obama needs to hear,

it's about calling people who disagree with you "American Idol" fans. If you don't see a problem with that, then you are the one who need to reflect.

[Nikki Stone1]

43. Well, there is a group on DU that is "Obama right or wrong."

And they are just as irrational in their liking of Obama as an American Idol audience. I usually ignore them. Why do you think this applies to you?

[Orsino]

17. If only more Americans could distinguish politics from crappy TV shows.

The crappy news shows bear some responsibility, I think.

[Nikki Stone1]

19. News as entertainment has hurt the American body politic irreparably

:grr:

[NoPasaran]

23. Entertainment as news has been no Federalist Papers either

[billh58]

30. I could swear

that I was in this same discussion on another thread. If I could, I would buy all of you Kiddie Meals from Micky Dees, and take you out for ice cream later. Zeus knows, you could all use a little adult supervision.

Yes, everyone has a right to criticize President Obama. Yes, everyone has a right to praise President Obama. No, no one has a right to remove President Obama from office -- yet. No, no one has a right to elevate President Obama to the position of Emperor -- yet.

And last, but not least, I have heard President Obama call for input, criticism, and for holding his feet to the fire. I have also heard him ask for grassroots support with lobbying Congress. I have never once, however, heard President Obama ask for praise, worship, or donations to his fan club.

[Engineer4Obama]

35. technically

he asked for donations all the time last year.

[billh58]

44. Ya got

me partner, and I should have used a different metaphor...;-)

[Raineyb]

42. This piss poor copy cat thread is flamebait bullshit.

:thumbsdown:

[ProSense]

45. Yes the topic is purely flamebait.

Everyone has a right to call people "American Idol" fans. Maybe the DU rules can be amended to make it official.

[ampad]

47. OP

Do you really think this was necessary. I guarantee you that you just gave this person a new soapbox to climb on. I know the other soapbox was worn out but, please, stop providing them.

[ProSense]

52. Let the person climb on it.

I made my point. I do have at least the right to do that, don't I?

[AllentownJake]

48. Just to be clear

The OP is responding something that I wrote that made it on the greatest page. The American Idol comment was a generalization made overall to the lack of substantive debate about issues in our media, daily lives, and sometimes yes here on DU.

If the OP is offended by my statement thinking it applies to the OP personally, that is an issue for the OP to deal with in themselves.

[ProSense]

50. "The American Idol comment was a generalization"

It's condescending. You followed it with an OP claiming that DUers should lay off criticizing certain DUers who are right (knows more than them) and need to vent. To quote you:

1) They aren't the purist you think they are.

2) They aren't generally single issue DUers.

3) They know the issue better than you do.

4) These people need to vent.

[AllentownJake]

53. You know after 2 weeks of OPs that said things like

Get out of your pajamas babies.
Telling my friends in the LGBT community to be patient with their rights.
Do you want President Obama to lose in 2012 will that make you happy?
Being called disloyal, a troll, the cousin of a teabagger etc.
Taking any criticism of the President as a personal insult.

I finally had enough, and judging be the number of recs that those two OPs got, I'm guessing a bunch of other people have too.

[ProSense]

58. Wow, so you are whining.

I've see an equal number of offensive posts aimed at both defenders and critics of the President.

And you are right there with your comments.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

51. That's not what the OP you are referring to said.

It didn't say supporting the president is treating him like he's on American Idol. It said that we shouldn't treat him like he's an American Idol contestant. And we shouldn't, Who on Earth could possibly disagree with that?

[ProSense]

54. Exact quote

"A brief word for DUers who dismiss concern over administration policy as instant gratification...He's the President not the contestant we like on American Idol"?

Now do the DUers who dismiss concern (straw man) have anything to do with the people who need to be told that "the President not the contestant we like on American Idol"?

You see, this is simply an attempt to say stop criticizing the critics, as if the critics are a monolithic and static group.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

57. I think it's fairly clear what the OP meant.

If you want to take it as a personal insult to you, then by all means go ahead. I don't find it insulting and I don't think I qualify as an "Obama Hater".

[ProSense]

59. "Personal insult "?

Why would you put it that way? Yes, it's clear what the OP meant, stop criticizing the critics.

This is a discussion board: If you make a point be prepared to defend it.

[donco6]

60. Straw man?

You're really saying Duer's don't dismiss concern of the president? Of course they do. It happens all the time.

[ProSense]

61. Yes, strawn man. When someone rejects your argument, it isn't

dimissing concern, it's rejecting your argument. You can defend it, and they can reject it. Are you against that?

[donco6]

62. But rarely does anyone proffer an opposing argument to the criticism.

It's just dismissed out of hand, with the comment "He's just a hater." That's not an argument. And it happens more often than not.

And yes, I am against that.

[ProSense]

63. What a crock. n/t

[donco6]

64. Case in point.

And the defense rests.

[ProSense]

67. Right, because the statement you made is valid. People rarely support their points.

Look around DU and see all the post that simply state: "You are wrong n/t"

Like I said, which was all you assertion warranted: What a crock!

[donco6]

68. Judge and jury are gone, hon.

I'm halfway through my sandwich. I'd save you a piece, but you'd just throw it on the ground.

[ProSense]

69. I'd turn it down

becuase it probably taste bad or is laced with BS.

[donco6]

70. Case in Point No. 2 n/t

[ProSense]

71. There you go dismissing a point just because you don't like it.

I sense a hypocrisy in all those who support the notion that a certain group is off limits to criticism.

[donco6]

72. I keep hearing this buzzing around my head.

Maybe it's after my sandwich.

[Cha]

65. Nobody's treating PO like that so it

is "condescending".

[armyowalgreens]

56. I love when people talk about things that were never spoken and then say it's bad.

[Robb]

74. Ooo! Ooo! Ooo!

...That's two words. And the second one's not particularly brief, at four syllables.

Or perhaps by "a brief word" you meant "it's," which is indeed brief. But what, no warning about the second word?

On the merits, though, you're absolutely right. :hi:

[inna]

75. ku. what a waste of bandwidth. nt