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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 04:54 PM Original message |
Chomsky: The whole educational and professional training system is a very elaborate filter... |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. Agree......There's very little I don't agree with Noam Chomsky on. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Same here. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. Agreed. |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
53. he's snarky as well. I often find a google video of one of his |
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PSzymeczek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
144. Politically OR linguistically! n/t |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. yes. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
4. I guess someone hates Chomsky..... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Chomsky is certainly a polarizing figure, that's for sure. |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
5. without a doubt! |
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stuball111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. Absolutely... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
7. I think the educational systems weeds out people who are too independent... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. So you think Chomsky was bad at studying, doing homework and taking tests? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. I think Chomsky's had a lot of problems lately. |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. his wife recently died. relatively recently that is. nt |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
98. Both your claim and Chomsky's are correct. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
8. That's old think. Now it's much simpler: American -> Trashcan |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. What does that mean?. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
9. Actually, I agree with this. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
131. How About Corporate and Government Funding |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
10. THIS IS EXACTLY RIGHT |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
86. Not to mention in charge of the dissertation committees |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
12. chomsky's experience must be different from mine.... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. I suspect that the particular discipline involved may make a difference.. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. "which just weeds out people who are too independent, and who think for themselves, and who don't kn |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. The difference between your discipline and many is this.. |
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Tsar_Bomba (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
90. Hey, I heard you belting out those bass lines |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #90 |
110. Thanks....it's a hobby :) |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
41. Where did you get your doctorate? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. University of Georgia (Athens).... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. You may have met a particularly interesting group of people there |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I did my dissertation on a topic that my advisor knew relatively little about.... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. You had a great committee. They weren't threatened by you. |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
117. I got my M.S. there... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #117 |
148. yup, I was there when that happened.... |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #148 |
155. I left in 1987 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
57. That was my experience with college and grad work, too. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
70. What you're saying and what he's saying aren't mutually exclusive. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. totally agree about high school.... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
14. Here is the entire quote: |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
159. I Find That |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
16. I don't think it's just educational institutions |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Well, yeah, but the mechanisms for enforcing conformity aren't that strong here.. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. My point is you get it anywhere |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
129. Or that you are just "Bitter" |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. Confusious, you have a good theory there. |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
91. Good point... |
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Gman2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
20. Almost everywhere, mediocrity is enforced by the rabble. |
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trackfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
21. Yep. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
23. MIT must've missed the memo then ... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Of course there are going to be exceptions to pretty much any rule.. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Oh, exceptionalism of the "elites" |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Actually, if you look around at our "elites" the rule seems virtually iron-clad.. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. This is why I like Chomsky. He doesn't worship academia like some leftists. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
100. No great thinker does. The closest to Einstein's capacity for independent |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #100 |
118. Two quotes I found of Einstein that I like are |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #118 |
138. I'm not sure that the first one isn't profound. A lot of people don't realise |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #138 |
150. The first one speaks to me because my imagination |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
28. Well, it seems they didn't filter out Chomsky... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. No filter is perfect? |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. He acknowledges that he was obedient enough to stick it out |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
135. Yeah, That's Why He's the Most Celebrated Writer In the US |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
29. Agree. Especially in the sciences. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. Expand on that thought please |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. In my experience |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
140. Yes because to be independant |
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coffeenap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
156. Yep--my son is in the middle of this right now. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #156 |
160. Sorry to hear that. |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
30. Whew, good thing he made it through in order to tell the rest of us all about it... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Yes, his voice is so *common*, practically everyone says that.. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
31. It was I who sourced the Chomsky quote on education, which he refers to as "imposed ignorance." |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Thank you for that.. n/t |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
36. Chomsky obviously never served on a National Science Foundation panel reviewing grant proposals. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
39. I agree... but I think too many here are only applying this thought to Academia |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I had an OP a while back that kind of made the same point.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:36 AM Response to Reply #39 |
63. Academia is the realm Chomsky was talking about. n/t |
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pink-o (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
46. The same is true with prisons. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
49. Agree . . . think it's always been true . . .and increasily so now with LSAT's, SAT's, etal . . . |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
108. As a parent I admit I suck at mentoring. |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #108 |
133. I see you have had the Ah Hah! moment! |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:43 AM Response to Reply #133 |
152. Furthermore, the mechanistic view of the world is a detriment to all of us. |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #152 |
157. I agree, It's an excuse to avoid Spirituality and the really hard questions |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Wonderful reply, thanks! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #108 |
147. I always tried to fight the inane instructions, etal --- |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
50. If true, this is very sad. |
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Mr Rabble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
55. This is a truism. Think in context of "privatizing schools". |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
56. It weeds out some. It created distrust in others. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
64. DISCIPLINED MINDS |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:23 AM Response to Reply #56 |
65. It's a wonderful world of colonized minds |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #56 |
71. Well said. nt |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
58. No doubt at all. n/t |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:44 AM Response to Original message |
59. you might like this: |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:35 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Thanks, that's interesting.. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:27 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Thanks for posting. Have you read One-Dimensional Man, by Herbert Marcuse? |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
60. Somewhat, |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:32 AM Response to Original message |
61. It doesn't just weed out independence. The system is designed to enforce dependence to authority. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:44 AM Response to Original message |
67. I think that mainly applies to people who directly run society |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
68. If it does then where did he come from? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. One person out of how many? |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #69 |
104. One person out of one unless you have some kind of evidence otherwise. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #104 |
113. Apparently, looking at the number of recs, there are a lot of people who disagree with you.. |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #113 |
154. A couple of points... |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
72. I have worked at a non-profit, a private consulting firm, in retail, and |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Not to be combative, but Chomsky's view specifically speaks to mass denial of the obvious |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #82 |
105. Well if you create a theory and in doing so, dismiss potential opposition of that |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. "upholding the aims of the social institution" is secondary |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
74. It happened to me |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
75. Only an academic could make that statement, ironically. He should try working |
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radhika (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
76. Absolutely - saw it myself |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
77. Our universities are class replicating machines. |
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Democrats_win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
78. It could be worse: our education system could be under even greater conservative control. |
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LeftHander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
79. Independant thinkers need to get on the same page... |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
80. I don't agree with the generalization, but I think there is truth in this. |
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RooseveltTruman (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
81. I do... |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
83. Corporate training camps. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
84. It depends. That is true of the Ivy League schools but not so true |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
85. Interesting how the woo woos have glomed onto this. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. I don't pay enough attention to who posts what that I would notice.. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
87. The biggest problem is over-specialization and compartmentalization of knowledge and discourse |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. I find your comment quite interesting.. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #89 |
101. I don't entirely agree with his theory of the "propaganda model", either. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. I find so many things in life are a matter of perspective.. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. Plus, consider that all of 'our' views stem from external sources, each with its own agenda.. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #87 |
136. Have You Ever Visited Mammoth Cave? |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
88. indeed it does-once in awhile you can find some |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #88 |
120. My husband is one. He stresses critical thinking as THE most important skill you can learn |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. On an upshot, our very young daughter used "metacognition" the other night... |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Sounds like you have a bright girl on you hands! And a lucky one to have a truly good teacher. n/t |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
92. Noam, meet George. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. And I'll finish that Carlin quote: |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
94. A filter in what respect, do you think? nt |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
96. It's primary purpose is to make HR jobs easier. |
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zeos3 (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
97. I agree |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
99. Not in my field |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
102. By that logic, Chomsky must not be very independent, as he has a PhD |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #102 |
141. As was pointed out upthread.. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
103. The educational and training system also tends to weed out people who don't know how to do things. |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #103 |
161. Yes, And When I Stopped |
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WeekendWarrior (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
107. I love Chomsky, but |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
109. Or, as H.L. Mencken said..... |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #109 |
119. Yes..young, tender, and quite unable to muster up an argument against the mind set being imposed |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
112. Agree. nt |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
114. Who knew? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #114 |
121. Original thinkers who have been through the system.. |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
115. Yes! |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
124. Leaving just the "mavericks" ? |
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ConservativeDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
125. Noam Chomsky and Sarah Palin both agree |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
126. Einstein was a bad student...certainly supports Norm's view. n/t |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
127. I've believed this philosophy 30 years ago, before I ever heard of Noam Chomsky |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
128. I think post-secondary it often depends on the field of study |
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kleec (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
130. Logic? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #130 |
134. Public Schools can't even teach kids basic algebra or english. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. We teach our daughter to question EVERYTHING, that TV lies constantly, and to never trust authority |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #134 |
139. I have three grandkids in public school.. |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
132. Agreed |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
142. Not in my classes! |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. Thank you for that |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
143. NAH... it is a great thing to sell out your future dreams for the climb-a-ladder drone career |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
146. I've said the very thing on this forum. And had to argue my point. |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 05:03 AM Response to Reply #146 |
153. The do-ers and makers are given short shrift |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
149. Yes and no. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
151. Creative fields -- forget it!! |
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