When at last I control the levers of the working government, ladies and

[saltpoint]

gentlemen, and it's just a matter of time, we aren't going to have "Columbus Day."

We're going to replace it with "Red Cloud Day."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cloud


Thank you.

[Turbineguy]

1. Maybe we all need a little historical background here.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RMphy89#p/u/35/QjNKzsWa5A8

Just trying to be helpful.

[treestar]

2. Not a bad idea

I always loved that Indian name.

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[NoPasaran]

4. I'm offended that anyone with a name like "StalinsBalls" pretends to take offense

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[saltpoint]

7. Not to belabor the point, but references to men's testicles never found

much purchase in the households of my grandmothers.

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[saltpoint]

9. Lucky for you she's no longer with us. She woulda whomped your fanny.

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[saltpoint]

11. I offered a remark on treestar's response post.

You can read it if you feel like it.

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[saltpoint]

13. I personally have not given smallpox-infested blankets to one soul.

Not one.

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[saltpoint]

17. The spirit of my original post might suggest that we agree.

A little over a hundred years ago Goyathlay was placed in an early automobile for the Inaugural Parade of President Theodore Roosevelt, this well within living memory of Red Cloud's life and times among older Americans.

It was a gesture of skewed public relations on the part of the president, despite his other considerable virtues. Individual perception changes almost as dramatically as light falls on stone and sky and earth west of Huck's big river.

The way forward, IMO, would include a heightened awareness of and attention to the art, music, dance, film, etc. of all cultures. A United Nations of the Arts, if you will. I would be willng to be taxed to help pay for it. Much good will comes between nations and cultures when the musicians strike that first downbeat or when something permanent hangs on a museum wall or exhibition.

[Sal Minella]

23. With a name like that

how in the world can you feel threatened by somebody's dead grandmother?

How interesting that you perceived a "threat" there.

[EFerrari]

15. LOL. I love this thread.

:)

[saltpoint]

19. EFerrari, good morning. Do you recall how we met on DU? We were both

responding to a post on poetry.

I think you had that Golden Gate bridge icon up at that time, although I'm not sure.

Anyway, good morning, dammit, and happy autumn.

[EFerrari]

20. Good morning. On my way out of the ranch this morning

we drove by a jack rabbit, a deer going up the hill and the flock of wild turkeys that hangs out by the tall grass at the gate. It was foggy and overcast this morning. Definitely October weather, everyone was up and about early. :hi:

[saltpoint]

21. That is absolutely a lovely use of an autumn morning. You're doin' it

right.

:toast:

[saltpoint]

6. Call me tangential, but I accepted the notion from treestar that

the man's name has dignity. ' Red Cloud ' to me invokes a clear-headed, brainy, courageous leader who along with the other men and women in his tribe lived humbly in the rhythms of the natural world -- humbly.

The West is a place where sunlight strikes earth and mountains like paint, only the colors change by the hour. The sky of course reflects that change. I'd be delighted to learn that his parents chose that name to reflect their awareness of and sensitivity to the natural world as it is manifest in the colors of earth and sky.

[treestar]

16. I always thought it was a beautiful name and it would come to mind

watching the sunset - at least back in the days when I did a lot of reading about Native Americans - sorry I slipped on the PC word.

[saltpoint]

18. treestar, I felt the reverence in your post (and in other posts you've done on

DU) for the sustaining idea. I felt that I heard the reverence, and felt it. You've been around the ranch here for some time and the ranch is better off for it.

I hope no one who is searching for a 100% inoffensive behavioral percentage ever knocks at my door, because he or she would leave disappointed that I remain disappointingly human.

[Sal Minella]

24. I know Native Americans who refer to themselves as "Indians"

but I suppose one shouldn't mention that on D.U.

[saltpoint]

22. "The OP appears to be seeing and hearing people whom no one else

sees or hears."

Some days I can't BUY an argument around this place.

Likely time to titrate the Haldol.