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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 08:41 AM
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Obama versus Obama on the PATRIOT Act
Yesterday, the Senate Judiciary Committee voted to reauthorize three expiring provisions in the USA PATRIOT Act. While the bill they passed strengthened civil liberties in several small ways, the Committee failed to make any meaningful improvements to the PATRIOT provisions that are most prone to abuse. Disturbingly, Obama Administration officials played a significant behind the scene role in opposing stronger civil liberties protections, directly contradicting Obama’s positions as a Senator.

Two of the most problematic surveillance powers the PATRIOT Act grants law enforcement are 1) National Security Letters (NSLs) and 2) Section 215 orders. As a Senator, Obama supported reforming both sets of powers “to protect the freedoms of innocent Americans while also ensuring that the government has the power it needs to investigate potential terrorists.” Senator Obama supported these protections through the SAFE Act, which he co-sponsored in the 109th Congress, and also in a signed 2005 letter to his Senate colleagues.

Under the PATRIOT Act, FBI agents may issue NSLs to obtain comprehensive financial and communications records about anyone, including people suspected of no wrongdoing and no connection to terrorists or foreign powers. To do this, the FBI merely needs to claim the information is relevant to an investigation. Anyone receiving one of these orders is prohibited by law from speaking about it to anyone else, except their attorney. The FBI issues tens of thousands of NSLs each year, most of them directed at U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.

As a Senator, Obama favored raising the standard for issuing an NSL to require a link between the records sought and a terrorist, spy, or other agent of a foreign power. Yet the Obama Administration opposed an even weaker standard – one that would require that the government draft an internal statement of "specific and articulable facts" showing that the information sought was somehow relevant to an investigation. Instead, according to the deliberations of the Judiciary Committee, the Administration favored a mere relevance standard.

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Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-harris/obama-versus-obama-on-the_b_315638.html
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:22 AM
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1. "Backing a White House request, ..."...
says it all.



http://rawstory.com/2009/10/dem-controlled-senate-judiciary-committee-extends-patriot-act-provisions/

............Backing a White House request, the Senate Judiciary Committee passed the measure 11 votes to 8 to extend until 2013 three clauses that would have expired by 31 December. The bill now heads to the full Senate for a vote.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:35 AM
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2. But but but, you're supposed to adore and support our beloved Prez, don't you
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 09:37 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
know?

Actions speak louder than eloquent words.

and the beat goes on......
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:51 AM
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4. actions speak louder than words
exactly. all the pontificating and bellicose goodie goodie speaking in the world doesnt mean a rats fart if it isnt backed up by deeds.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:53 AM
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5. Exactly. It is getting tougher to match the rhetoric with the actual actions.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:49 AM
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3. and all the folks who thought they were voting to reign in the PA,
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 09:53 AM by G_j
stop your whining!

:sarcasm:
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:46 AM
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11. Which is odd
Didn't Obama vote to re-authorize the PATRIOT Act on a few occasions while he was in Congress?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00029
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:58 AM
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6. But, but, but..............

naw, there ain't no excusing this.

k&r
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:03 AM
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7. ALERT! ALERT! Factmonger on the board! Call in the illusions ASAP!!!!!
nt
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:05 AM
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8. LOL!
:applause:

load the unrec cannons!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:42 AM
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10. Damn those factmongers.
Let's get some rope.



:toast:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:31 AM
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9. Feingold statement and post at DK...
http://feingold.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=318804

"Statement of Senator Russ Feingold on the PATRIOT Act Reauthorization Bill

Thursday, October 8, 2009

“The PATRIOT Act reauthorization bill passed by the Judiciary Committee today falls far short of adequately protecting the rights of innocent Americans. Among the most significant problems is the failure to include an improved standard for Section 215 orders, even though a Republican controlled Judiciary Committee unanimously supported including the same standard in 2005. But what was most upsetting was the apparent willingness of too many members to defer completely to behind the scenes complaints from the FBI and the Justice Department, even though the administration has yet to take a public position on any of the improvements that I and other senators have proposed. We should, of course, carefully consider their perspective, but it is our job to write the law and to exercise independent judgment. After all, it is not the Prosecutors’ Committee; it is the Judiciary Committee. And while I am left scratching my head trying to understand how a committee controlled by a wide Democratic margin could support the bill it approved today, I will continue to work with my colleagues to try to make improvements to this bill.”


It's Not the Prosecutors' Committee, it's the Judiciary Committee

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/8/791144/-Its-Not-the-Prosecutors-Committee,-its-the-Judiciary-Committee

"...Before I get into the specific provisions that concern me, I want to say how disappointed I was in the debate in the committee. Today particularly, I started to feel as if too many members of the committee from both parties are willing to accept uncritically whatever the executive branch says about even the most reasonable proposed changes in the law. Of course we should consider the perspective of the FBI and the Justice Department. Keeping Americans safe is everyone’s priority. But we also need to consider a full range of perspectives and come to our own conclusions about how best to protect the American people and preserve their freedoms. Protecting the rights of innocent people should be a part of that equation. It's not the Prosecutors’ Committee; it's the Judiciary Committee. And whether the executive branch powers are overbroad is something we have to decide. The only people we should be deferring to are the American people, as we try to protect them from terrorism without infringing on their freedoms.

I am also very troubled that administration officials have been taking positions behind closed doors that they are not taking publicly. I am pleased that we have not heard the type of public fear-mongering from this administration that was such a regular part of the discourse in the past. But if the administration wanted to further water down the already limited reforms in the bill that was on the table, they should have said so openly. Instead, at our only public hearing we were told that the Justice Department did not have positions on the crucial issues about to be discussed. Then, over the past week, in classified settings, the Department has weighed in against even some of the limited reforms that Sen. Leahy originally proposed. That led to the unusual spectacle today where many members of the committee based their decision to further weaken the bill on a classified briefing held yesterday, but could not fully discuss or debate their reasons. As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I am privy to every bit of the classified information that was referred to today. And nothing presented in the classified briefings justifies the failure to address the real problems with the expiring Patriot Act provisions and other intrusive powers.

Furthermore, much of this debate is not about classified matters. Continuing to hide behind a veil of secrecy is not fair to Congress or to the American people.

Specifically, the bill reported out of the Committee today on an 11-8 vote (five Republicans and only three Democrats voted No) fell short in a few key areas. Perhaps the most important was the failure to include the reasonable 3-part standard for issuing a FISA business records order under Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act. This standard was in a bill unanimously reported by the Committee, under Republican control, in 2005, and it was in Sen. Leahy’s original bill this year..."









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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 12:15 PM
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12. This needs its own thread. Thank you for posting!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 12:52 PM
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13. You're welcome, but it would probably be unrecommended...
maybe you'll have better luck.

:)




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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 04:10 PM
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16. I did post it. Not unrecommended, but ignored.
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 04:10 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
:shrug:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:25 PM
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17. Thanks I gave it a rec :) n/t
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 02:16 PM
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14. Another important story.
The American constitutional system was designed to be antagonistic toward the Executive Branch, to oppose "the position's" Kingly nature. It's not about Obama personally, it's about the natural tendency of 'anyone' occupying the position moving us toward autocracy.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 02:23 PM
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15. that's just completely disappointing and disturbing. KR. nt
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 11:53 PM
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18. Recommend
Important article.
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