If we're so sure voters will punish any Repub who opts out, why are there Red States to begin with?

[rudy23]

Why haven't the voters thrown them out of office already?

Wouldn't they just preach their free-market bible, aided by media propaganda, just like they do with every other wildly irrational and inhumane policy?

[pnwmom]

1. Good question. n/t

[gratuitous]

2. I don't know that we're so sure of punishment

But I know that a lot of people are itching to run ads against Republicans who screw over their constituents one more time. And the reason we have red states is because there seems to be an irreducible number of people in this country who will vote against their own interests out of simple spite or stubbornness. You've probably heard it said, "I'd rather die than admit I was wrong." Well, for some people, that's not hyperbole.

[rudy23]

3. We've been running ads against conservatives screwing us over for years. I come from a state that

largely applauded Katrina, and redoubled their support for Bush and the GOP due to the Katrina response (and subsequent anti-government spin)

What good are ads going to do when the Repukes have the whole media on their side?

[gratuitous]

7. Come up with better candidates?

But I know there are entire states that appear completely bereft of intelligent people interested in running for public office, and other states where the system is so corrupt, any decent human being doesn't stand a chance. But if any of that's going to change, it has to start somewhere . . .

[rudy23]

14. Yes, but also it's the media. When the entire media is Repub, they can convince voters

that their state politicians are geniuses for ditching the PO.

[Jane Austin]

4. Because up until recently

republicans acted halfway sane and spouted a line that sounded pro-American, even if they didn't mean it.

Now they don't even pretend, and people right and left are seeing them for what they are.

[dmallind]

5. Beacuase people fear change and losing something - it's not really political

The fearmongering about "socialized medicine" only works when nobody else (and remember only Americans count) has it.

[rudy23]

13. What about states that opt out from the getgo?

How long are they required to keep it before they toss it out, and crank up the noise machine about why it was pure evil in the first place?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

6. Very good question.

[Engineer4Obama]

8. No because that only works until you tell people

that you are taking something AWAY from them. Think about all of the town hall disruptors who were scared to death of their medicare being taken away. Its one thing to try and stop something they can lie about its another thing to take something away. This is how medicaid was established.

[stray cat]

9. They hate the dems worse - with some good reasons

[supernova]

10. Honestly, if some states do opt out

I doubt it would be for very long. Once everyone sees how it works in the states that signed on, there will be tremendous pressure from RS citizens to have what the rest of us have.

[rudy23]

18. We see now how great Canada's system is--that won't guarantee we'll get anything close here.

The same spin machine that lies to people about Canada's system will be telling people the same lies about New York's system.

[supernova]

21. Don't forget, that's how it

started in Canada. It started in one province and then rolled out in others.

[supernova]

11. Dupe

[DevonRex]

12. I don't give a rat's ass anymore if they punish pubs who opt out. They shouldn't prevent US

from having health care reform.

[rudy23]

15. So you're telling me if I don't like it, I can move away from my aging parents?

This sounds like it validates my theory that people kinda want to punish the red states. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[DevonRex]

19. They've been punishing the rest of us long enough. And I'm originally FROM a red state.

My relatives still in the south are the most selfish, self-righteous gun-toting birther teabaggers to ever live. And they're supposedly born again Christians.

Not my fault they're nuts. Not my fault the red states elect nuts. Those nuts have no right to say the REST of us can't have decent health care.

[Nederland]

16. I don't understand why any state would opt out

Make a ridiculous assumption: the conservatives are right and the public option turns out to suck. You then have an option in your state that nobody wants to buy. Who cares? Is having an option nobody wants harmful in anyway? Is opting out beneficial in anyway? I don't get it...

[rudy23]

26. That's what I'm saying---why would any state be red right now in the first place? Equally irrational

Why would people vote for governors who support any part of the failed GOP platform? We can't assume rationality with this plan.

[ipaint]

17. Isn't it blue state democrats elected by their respective citizens

in blue states who are responsible for blocking real health care reform?

Interesting that their fellow democrats in red states must now pay the price.

[rudy23]

20. Exactly. nt

[laughingliberal]

22. Quite a few of the Democrats blocking efforts right now are in red states

or purple states. Hence their reluctance to vote for an option which looks too 'liberal' to their constituents.

[tnlefty]

23. Because we're outnumbered by the dumbfucks, and in some

areas gerrymandering ensures repubs are elected.

I've read the arguments that repubs would be voted out locally and in state legislatures, but there are many who will just think, and it will be reinforced via media, etc., that Dem were in charge nationally and 'look what happened'.

[sam sarrha]

24. They use NLP Neuro-linguistic programming.. Watch This program.!!!! it is a technique of mass

hypnosis... i have been curious about why they do that for a long time. it is a common technique used by mentalists to manipulate the audience.

Media NLP Neuro-linguistic programming.. in 3 parts

i found this on Youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTIw7FEg85E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqRlG2XLNKw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6mA_29sd6g&feature=related

[anonymous171]

25. Because the federal government is always there to bail their citizens out

[ecstatic]

27. Because so far, there's not too much difference in the quality of life

of red states and blue states. Sure, a lot of red states are right to work and have poor education systems, but people tend to brush those differences aside.

A PUBLIC OPTION health plan would represent a MAJOR difference in the quality of life--for corporations and for people. It would, for the first time, be a REAL MAJOR difference.

[Old and In the Way]

28. Because they are retarded.

Retarded in the sense that they won't figure it out until other states implement it and those citizens show their support and enthusiasm for the new plan. Once the Red Staters start seeing the green in the Blue States, they'll get the religion.

[NNN0LHI]

29. Because when someone has sick kids and no health insurance or money ...

... all that bible malarkey goes by the wayside. Complicit media or no complicit media.

Don

[rudy23]

30. By the way, I hope everybody's right, if this passes. Right now my gov., Jindal, is refusing stim $

He's getting praised for it of course, even though every figure shows that it is badly needed. They have their own figures that show the opposite.

I just have to wonder--why would the public option be any different?

How do we know they won't be able to opt out on that, and still get re-elected due to some other issue that's big in 2013?

[NNN0LHI]

31. The only part of the stimulus money he didn't take was for the high speed rail system that I know of

I think he took all the rest of the stimulus money he could get his grubby little fingers on. And then I seen video of him on TV passing out huge game show sized stimulus checks with his signature on them. If he can get away with that kind of stuff and still get reelected probably isn't much you can do.

Don