Predict how REALTORS will react in those (red)states who REJECT Public Option

[blm]

And....home builders.

And....mortgage firms.

And....local financial institutions.

Et al.

[JuniperLea]

1. And the small businesses....

You know... the ones the Rapepublicans have been whining about?

[Ian David]

2. That's why we're floating this idea.

This is how Canada did it.

[tridim]

3. Or the citizenry.

I suspect it wouldn't be pretty.

[blm]

6. yep....but the Republicans never cared about the citizenry, anyway. They WILL feel the pressure

from within their fascist ranks once the reality of opting out sinks in.

[kestrel91316]

4. Exactly like this:

[blm]

8. Heh...exactly right.

There's a poster in there somewhere.

[ddeclue]

5. They'll be happy that they can get a chance to screw over their own employees on health care and

save some money. People don't move for health care - they move for jobs.

[blm]

7. There will BE no job growth in states that opt out.

Reality is that these states will also be the least likely to join the rest of the country on green job growth, too.

[Blue Meany]

13. No population growth either, just a rising death rate as those that

can immigrate to civilization.

[blm]

15. It just WON'T happen, though. The business community will NOT let the pols opt out.

No way, no day. Reality WILL sink in.

[CTyankee]

9. I don't think there will be a great Diaspora because people have become used to

being screwed over by health insurers for so long that they will see the OTHER facets of hcr as welcome improvements and will continue to go along with private insurance. After all, if the private insurers can't cancel their coverage when they get sick or deny coverage for a pre existing condition, that will be a great thing for them.

In other words, they may not "miss" the PO because they don't understand it and they have "some" improvements...

[saracat]

10. This is really sick. There should be no opt out. This is destroying people

to make a point. My husbamd became a realtor after his job was outsourced and we live in a red state.We already are living off a non existant retirement income to pay for our insurance.That would be the nail in our coffin and no one seems to care about folks like us. Some pipsqueeks on this board have posted that those of us in "red" states should just move.They don't seem to get the fact that there isn't any money to do so.I would have moved out of country if I could have afforded it! I would like to go where there is "real" public health insurance.

[blm]

11. The point is that states WON'T opt out of PO once businesses in those states weigh in.

And I expect REALTY FIRMS will be leading the way FOR Public Option state by state.

I think this is a CRUCIAL part of the debate and WHY every state WILL choose public option.

[saracat]

12. You don't live in a red state. I live in a divided state and no way would

our legislature approve a PO. You would be sentencing our folks to die. Death isn't a form of debate nor is utter destruction. My husband has been a democratic candidate twice and we are progressive Dems who have worked our butt off.Our own Democratic Party thought it was a"good thing" that we lost control of our leg and Senate in 2008 ( though we had been on track to win it back till the GOP put gay marriage on the agenda and we did nothing to defend our position)because this would teach our state a "lesson" and the the Dems would "sweep" into power at the next local election. BS.There are no signs of that happening.The mandates and the proposed PO are making them dig their heels in even firmer.
I really resent that you think people like us should suffer a bit more to help your strategy, a strategy that adversely affects millions of people. The only way some states will take the PO( and hopefully it isn't the crap they are proposing now) is to make it mandatory.Even if your strategy were to work, it would take time, and many of us don't have "time". but I guess thats okay with you, we are only collateral damage.





Michael Jackson was right
"They Don't Care About Us"

[blm]

14. You totally ignored my point. BUSINESSES will force states to opt in. Why turn it in to an entirely

different argument that was never made in the post?

Republicans WILL respond to BUSINESSES pressuring them and I expect MANY businesses will be weighing in once the reality of opting out hits home.

I think you're really reaching to turn the argument into something you know is not true - that somehow good activist lefties (and moi) want you, your family, and your state to be hurt. You're lashing out unfairly, imo.

BTW - I live in NC. Before that I was in SC. My spouse's family in SC own one of the largest realty firms in SC.

[rockymountaindem]

21. Except it isn't an opt-in, it's an opt-out

States wouldn't have to do anything to get the PO, they would have to act to reject it. That's a totally different proposition.

[blm]

22. And THAT would make it even a harder sell. I just don't think states will opt out as assumed.

The math will hurt TOO much - even for the most fascist friendly of the states.

[Mimosa]

27. Sara, good to know more about you

During the primaries you were ferocious in your support of a certain candidate. I sometimes wonder if your candidate would have been better.

You are great at explaining the plight of the self-employed.

I also HATE the 'red state' stereotyping which sometimes happens here. It's not helpful.

[DURHAM D]

16. The Red States will be safe havens for everyone over 65.

IOW, only people over 65 can afford to live there. Then those old people will complain because they can't get good service or good help or good health care providers. They won't make the connection to affordable health care for those people under 65 that provide those services. Can't wait to see an entire crew of people in their 70s re-roofing a house or working in the service industry. Should be interesting.

[blm]

17. well....I think it's safe to say that no profit-conscious business will LET their state opt out once

they crunch the numbers.

[Engineer4Obama]

18. I'm happy that republicans will be held accountable for something

they have been let off WAY to easy for the level of obstructionism they have been putting up.

[blm]

19. Once the businesses start pressuring them en masse the GOPs will act like PO is THEIR idea.

.

[Engineer4Obama]

20. Yeah and then we use this amazing thing called

VIDEO TAPE and PAID TV ADS to call them out on it.

[blm]

23. heh...they will still own control of most media, unfortunately

.

[Engineer4Obama]

24. Well at least we have the Daily Show

thats something right?

[Snarkoleptic]

25. Realtors will blame the mortgage brokers...it's their nature.

[Lagomorph]

26. I'll wait for the ground swell of public outrage...

I'm tired of trying to predict anything regarding the American public.

[Shagbark Hickory]

28. The only states that would have P.U. are too expensive to live in & have no jobs so ...

not much is going to change.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. I have a question for you, becuase your answer is in there

Right to Work... care to tell me why those workers do not vote them republicans that got it in place OUT? Or why they don't fight to get a union in place?

Once you answer that question... you will get it.

[blm]

30. These are different times. GOP run government crashed the economy so bad MOST people get that

GOP approach was the 'wrong way' and most polls reflect that and have for a few years now.

The smaller percentage of folks still firmly set in the RW mindset will NOT be of consequence much longer, in my view.