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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:29 PM
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If Medicaid Experience Is Any Indicator, Public Option Opt-Out Compromise May Be Good Idea

If Medicaid Experience Is Any Indicator, Public Option Opt-Out Compromise May Be Good Idea

Senate Democrats are “very seriously considering” “a compromise approach to health care reform that would establish a robust, national public option for insurance coverage but give individual states the right to opt out of the program“:

The proposal is envisioned as a means of getting the necessary support from progressive members of the Democratic Caucus — who have insisted that a government-run insurance option remain in the bill — and conservative Democrats who are worried about what a public plan would mean for insurers in their states….In conversations with the Huffington Post, sources have said that while the opt-out approach to the public plan is in its nascent stages it has been discussed with leadership in the Senate. It was pulled out of an alternative idea, put forth by Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) and, prior to him, former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, to give states the power to determine whether they want to implement a public insurance option.

But instead of starting with no national public option and giving state governments the right to develop their own, the newest compromise approaches the issue from the opposite direction: beginning with a national public option and giving state governments the right not to have one.

The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein explains that “the ‘opt-out’ approach would start with everyone having access to a public plan. What kind of public plan isn’t yet clear. States would then have the right to vote — either by referendum, legislature, or simply a gubernatorial decree — to make the option unavailable in their health care exchanges.”

At first glance, the compromise preserves the original advantage of the public plan: it allows the plan to use its inherent efficiencies and market power to lower health care costs, promote delivery system reforms, and inject competition into concentrated health insurance markets. Red states, for all their political posturing, may weaken the reach of the national plan by opting out. But if the public option proves itself in states where it’s functional, then forgoing the public plan would be tantamount to imposing a tax hike on state residents. After all, why reject a program that offers lower premiums and saves the state billions in health care costs? Hot rhetoric about a ‘government-takeover’ of health care may sound hot on television, but it loses its fever when you’re trying to balance your books.

In fact, after complaining that Medicare/Medicaid would lead to socialism in America during the 1960s, all 50 states have chosen to participate in the Medicaid program — a jointly funded venture between the states and the federal government, which gives states the option to opt out. “Every state has been in Medicaid since 1982. None have ever dropped out,” Turtle Bay writes on Daily Kos. “True, Arizona wasn’t in until 1982, but that’s partly because for a state to get in, they had to actually set up a program.” The stimulus is another example:

And the stimulus — probably the best example of all, even though it isn’t clear that the states had any actual authority to opt-out. We saw the usual gang of idiots saying they were going to reject the stimulus, or in one case, actually attempt to do so over the objections of his state legislature. And what happened? We’ve got Bobby Jindal carting around oversized stealth stimulus checks to promote himself…

“The public option will be no different,” Turtle Bay concludes. “Once the die is cast, and this ’socialist’ system is in place, no state legislator is going to want to tell their constituents that they voted to take away something that would save them money, and that everyone else in the country is getting.”


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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:34 PM
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1. Why can't the opt in/opt out option be given to individuals?
If my state opts out, but I have no insurance, then what?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:36 PM
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2. Research Florida and Medicaid.
That would be my argument.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:50 PM
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3. Here:
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:52 PM
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4. State opt-out = continued discrimination
My problem with the state opt-out is that individuals unlucky enough to live in the wrong state will be SOL. This would not be much different than the existing situation. Some states have guaranteed issue laws so everybody in that state has the opportunity to purchase insurance. Whether they can afford it or not is another story.

Maybe red legislatures will be afraid to opt-out as is the case with Medicaid but that still leaves peoples' fate to chance.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:59 PM
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5. How many states do you forsee opting out?
Based on Medicaid and the stimulus, it seems likely that no state will go through the trouble of opting out.

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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 03:02 PM
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6. I have no idea
Maybe none but the idea is that a governor could take a state out by decree. Can a state then opt back in when there's a new governor.

Maybe this is what is needed to get the PO through but it is not ideal. Then again, what part of this f'ing mess is.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 03:06 PM
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7. They have that option with Medicaid.
Frankly, states are likely to welcome the relief.

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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 03:08 PM
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8. Nebraska ;) nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 03:10 PM
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9. Nebraska is not going to
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 03:48 PM
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10. illinois has a running debt of 1-1.5 billion
it takes 150 to 350 days for the state to pay claims. most specialists will not take medicaid and those who do are in the larger metro centers. medicaid is a disaster for illinois . we need to get rid of medicaid and go into the medicare system.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 04:10 PM
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11. +1
Edited on Thu Oct-08-09 04:15 PM by juno jones
Medicare for all.

As one who dealt with Medicaid in the early 90's in IL: Preganant Medicaid women were (are still?) all scheduled on the same day in ob/gyn offices. Cattle call-style. We were marched thru like livestock, questions were not allowed, let alone answered. Thank gods, the local med school took me. They weren't perfect, but they tried harder.

PS, love your current sig!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 07:40 PM
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14. it has`t changed....
my niece had to drive to peoria because no one here in ronnieland would take her child. there were about 25 women with young girls with the same problem. he was the only doctor in this part of illinois that dealt with the problem.

did you really get on the bozo show??
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 01:34 PM
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15. I admit I didn't.
But my boss did. He still has his Cookie button from the grand prize game.

The button reminds me of my sister who would always use the accompanying quote, "So...you want a bozo button for that?" as a cynical kid-saying. It sorta stuck with me.

Sorry to hear about your niece. I was 'lucky' to be in Springfield at the time where I could fall back on SIU med school for actual health care. I have a few quibbles with them, but it was a much better experience than that doc's office.
:hi:
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 05:30 PM
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12. Arizona did opt out until the mid-1980s.
But then it joined the fold.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 05:32 PM
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13. Well, it'll put a lot of pressure on Repuke governors and legislators.
Maybe this is one way to get more states to turn blue.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 01:40 PM
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16. Should help the moving business as people move to states that don't opt out.
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