Europe hit the Moon first

[Ripley]

http://www.esa.int/esaMI/SMART-1/SEMWX03VRRE_0.html

7 September 2006
Timing, location, detection of a flash and of ejected material, and a firework generated by the lunar impact of ESA's SMART-1, are the latest results gathered thanks to the ground observation campaign of this historical event.





And FYI:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/14/lcross-impact-site-picked/

The idea is that over millions and billions of years, a lot of comets have hit the Moon. The water from these comets hits the surface and sublimates away… but if any settles at the bottoms of deep craters near the Moon’s poles, these permanently shadowed regions can act as a refrigerator, keeping the water from disappearing. It can stay there, locked up as ice, for a long, long time. Some estimates indicate there could be billions of tons of ice near the Moon’s south pole.

La Luna will survive this scientific experiment just fine.

[Solly Mack]

1. K&R

[sagetea]

2. I know Grandmother Moon will be fine

but, it still feels strange to know before hand that this is going to happen.
I feel the same way about natural disasters here on Earth, when it come from us, bombing, mining, etc. it doesn't feel authentic.
I think the peeps who are scared, angry, confused, may be feeling a little like that? Anyway, please don't laugh or say I worship goats, this is just how I interpret my feelings.

Ho
sage

[Renew Deal]

3. Which natural disasters came from "us bombing, mining, etc.?"

Please be specific

[sagetea]

4. Aw, geeze...

I should have put a period rather than a comma, okay.
What I mean is I understand natural disasters, they "feel" authentic.
When it comes from us bombing, mining, etc. if feels more like a self, meaning human, induced pain.
I don't know if I can make it any more clearer to you, I am not very good at this which is why I usually don't get involved in discussions.

ho
sage

[Renew Deal]

5. It's OK

I don't think you were here when the earthquake and tsunami happened in Sumatra. There were people screaming that Bush set off a nuke which caused the earthquake. It wasn't as funny as the "bomb the moon" stuff, but it was still funny.

[sagetea]

8. Well, I was here

but I only read, which is what I usually do. I'm not smart enough to get involved in debates. Besides, there is always somebody who says the same thing that I would have said, only better.
:hug:


ho
sage

[juno jones]

18. Um, the ash flow in TN

The destroyed mountaintops and ecosystems in WV. The fugly remains of strip mines in IL which cannot be lived on, farmed or otherwise used, which leech into our rivers and streams and water tables and poison us all...

It's all so beautiful (as per the song)

We have made Afghanistan look like the moon.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6714609
http://www.lukepowell.com/

Whole lots to be proud of there.

[Ripley]

20. Hi juno

All that you say is true and I really don't think anyone here would approve of those things.

The Moon does not have ecosystems nor people living there.

That is the difference.

NASA is not the MIC.

Please do not blur the acts of unethical corporations with the acts of scientists as you are doing.

[realFedUp]

6. Bombing the moon

This doesn't sit well with me either. I don't care
how many natural implosions/explosions occur,
but to deliberately bomb a planet seems like
boys blowing up frogs just to see the aftermath.

Can we take better care of this planet first?
Conserve water here first. Quit polluting.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

7. Ok. First, the moon is not a planet.

Secondly, they aren't bombing the moon. There is no bomb.

[realFedUp]

10. Ok, not a planet....but yeah, we're bombing it.

If a missile was headed deliberately into your house,
you might say you'd been bombed.

[Forkboy]

15. There is no bomb.

[anigbrowl]

25. Oh FFS. Go dig a hole and hide in it.

Nobody lives on the moon. It doesn't even have trees on it.

[Diclotican]

13. SemiCharmedQuark

SemiCharmedQuark

The moon are not defined as an planet that is true. But compared to most other moons orbiting a planet the moon is BIG, and many sientences is wondering if the earth-moon system should not be pointed out as a double planet system in its own right..

And for the "bombing at the moon" it is right that it is no bomb involved in this..


Diclotican

[Forkboy]

16. Correct, there is no bomb involved.

The headline of the article is a media creation to do exactly what it's doing. Work people up for no good reason at all.

[Diclotican]

19. Forkboy

Forkboy

Well what to give, when a journalist maybe never have been near a rocket or for that sake untested in space exploration at all.. Then you got this type of "journalism" who is rather stupid if you ask me..

I for one wil try to follow this as close as I can, im interested in space exploration and the future it holds for human kind.. We are born to explore, and as we know more or less what is on the earth the posibility to go to space is in our grasp.. If we just got our act togheter we can explore wast spaces out there.. And as the early explorers of Earth also wisit alien worlds, deep in space.. I hope, and I belive our future is bright and our to grasp.. In 100-200 years time our ancestors wil look at us with the same smile as we look at our past and think we both was made as hell who deared to travel the expances in that type of ships.. But also say we was brave who deared to go where no man had beeing going before...

And yes, im a "star-trek" fan by the way... And even that it is just an "movie industry" I sometimes envoy the fact that im not born in the 23 century but in the 20 century...


Diclotican

[AngryAmish]

9. No. The Moon has been asking for it for millenia

Those arrogant moon men must be put in their place.

[Forkboy]

11. There is no bomb.

Please read things past the headlines.

[juno jones]

17. I feel the same way.

As if we are moving into the universe on the same violent level which we have exploited earth and brought her to near ruin.

As for disasters from mining, let the ash runoffs and the destroyed mountaintops in the eastern coal states be your guide. Not to mention the sacred sites demolished to build Wal-marts.

Balance is needed. Ho :hi:

Thank you for speaking here.

[Ripley]

21. It's happened before...

ESA in 06 and I believe other countries have done this as well.

No one is trying to bomb, kill, destroy or harm in any way the Moon. This hit is miniscule compared to the comet strikes our Moon has endured over millions of years.

Please know that scientific things happen when you don't know they're happening!

I find it absurd that a UK paper calls it NASA "bombing" the Moon while their own European Agency did it already in 2006.

Our Moon will survive!

[sagetea]

22. Thank you

I know this is not the first time. This is just the first time I have been on a forum reading and responding while it is happening.
I love science...The Indians knew and practiced quantum physics for aeon's, they just called it by a different name.

It is a...shock? that it is happening now. It makes me want to ask why do we need to know if the moon has water? Are we really so close to losing our natural resources here on Earth? I mean it brings up so many other questions that lead down a very tin foil hat path.

I really can't help it, it is so ingrained in my belief system that we are all related, from the suns and planets, to the trees and dirt, including all other life forms. It really doesn't matter, nobody is going to ask my opinion on this anyway. However, I really hope that we learn some more about our standing in this awesome universe.

"Some people" will call me willfully ignorant and stupid, and that's okay, i don't know them or the lives they've lead, or the history of their people, but I know mine, and I am content with that knowledge.

Ho
sage

[Ripley]

23. Let's watch it together

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/05oct_lcrossvg.htm?list27315

Scientists are looking for water.

[drm604]

26. They're looking for water because it could be used by a lunar base.

They're not looking for it to use it here on earth.

And I'm extremely skeptical of your claim that Indians practiced quantum physics. I'm not even sure what you mean by that.

[Javaman]

12. and the loons are suddenly very quiet. nt

[scheming daemons]

14. So we're getting sloppy seconds?

[Retrograde]

24. And if Europe jumped off a bridge would you do the same?

(Sorry - the title sounds like something a small child would say on the playground)

I don't think people can do anything to the moon that random bits of the solar system haven't already done.

[jimlup]

27. Actually I believe it was the Russians way back in 1959 who hit the moon first

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_2