Oklahoma Law Would Put Details of Every Abortion Online...

[Triana]

A http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/10/07/okla_abortion/">new Oklahoma law will require the details of every abortion to be posted on a public website. Proponents say this will prevent abortion — apparently by shaming and burdening women and doctors.

The law (which you can look at http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/TextOfMeasures/TextOfMeasures.aspx">here — it's HR 1595) mandates that a 34-item questionnaire be filled out by abortion providers for each procedure. The questionnaire doesn't include the woman's name or "any information specifically identifying the patient," but it does ask for age, race, level of education, marital status, number of previous pregnancies, and the county in which the abortion was performed, information which opponents of the bill argue would be enough to identify a woman in a small town. The questionnaire also asks about the mother's reason for the abortion, her method of payment, and even what type of insurance she has, as well as whether the fetus received anaesthetic and whether there was "an infant born alive as a result of the abortion."

http://jezebel.com/5376502/new-oklahoma-law-will-put-details-of-all-abortions-online

[tekisui]

1. That is effed up.

[hobbit709]

2. That won't last long in the courts

[Triana]

3. Gawd I hope not. It's hideous. n/t

[Wednesdays]

19. That'll work the wingnuts up into a froth about "activist judges"

and "states' rights." :puke:

:banghead:

[fasttense]

4. I thought the Supreme Court ruled that abortion can not be made illegal

because it was a right to privacy issue. Now these idiots are trying to take away any privacy you might have over your own body.

We should also post the details of any man taking Viagra or having vasectomies.

[Triana]

9. "We should also post the details of any man taking Viagra or having vasectomies"

Yep. What's good for the goose....

[Fresh_Start]

33. don't forget publishing STDs

after all knowing who has STDs is a public health issue

[Fresh_Start]

34. they forgot important information

about the man, his marital status, his insurance, how many other children he has had, how many other abortions he has contributed to

[Romulox]

39. No, not exactly... nt

[drm604]

5. Isn't this a HIPAA violation?

If there's so much info that a woman can be identified it seems like this would violate HIPAA's privacy protections.

[Triana]

6. Dunno. Not an expert on HIPAA but I'd think it comes razor close to being one...

...I mean they go right to the edge of it, it seems like.

[LiberalFighter]

13. I don't think it stops at the edge. It goes over the edge and beyond.

[mopinko]

10. gotta be. all my info is private, not just my name.

what will these monsters think of next?

[Solly Mack]

7. Fuckers

[d_b]

8. yea good luck with that

[Altoid_Cyclist]

11. I had to look at this twice to make sure that I wasn't missing something.

So far I've tried to abstain from using any expletives while posting, but this one really makes me want to scream every expletive known to man.

If this somehow manages to become law, this country will have officially reverted back to the middle ages.

As noted earlier, the HIPAA laws should stop this dead in its' tracks. But if it doesn't, then they better be willing to arrest and put in prison any person responsible for killing a woman while that person is performing an illegal abortion.

[izquierdista]

23. Not this country

Oklahoma. Where not a single county voted in favor of Obama over McCain. You can paint OK red with a very broad brush. And for any Oklahoma DUers who want to stand up for their state, maybe we should take up a collection and sent you suitcases and a bus ticket.

[Altoid_Cyclist]

26. I debated whether to say OK or just include the US as a whole.

I went with the US only because it's one of those days that I can't decide which depressing news item has me the most upset.

You're right about OK though, I mean no disrespect to DUers in OK, but that seems to one screwed up state.

OK is not OK

[Kalyke]

30. You do realize some people happen to like where they live for reasons

other than politics.

Maybe liberal Oklahomans don't want to move because they like the climate or the open spaces or the fact that their family and friends live there.

This idea that any liberal who doesn't live in New England or the west coast must be stupid is a bias that needs to be stopped on DU.

In fact, I'd argue for the opposite. I think more liberal New Englanders and west coast folk need to move to the South and Southwest and help the 40 to 42 percent of us liberals living here make it to 51 percent so that we can start changing some of these arcane laws and get rid of the likes of Jim DeMint or Lindsey Graham or Bob Corker.

[izquierdista]

41. The missionary's burden

I know of what you speak, since I live in Georgia, a truly backwards state with a huge surplus of ignorance. I have an acquaintance who went to the 9/12 Celebration of Dumbness, and it is difficult to bring these people around. You have to hold your tongue when they blurt out stupid after stupid, and wait for a small bit of truth to emerge and carefully nurture it. It has a lot in common with gardening around here; the weeds seem to be on steroids and the plants you would like to grow are attacked by legions of pesky insects.

I don't know how long I can tolerate such a red area, and I may have to leave before it gets to 51% liberals.

[Altoid_Cyclist]

43. I meant no disrespect to you or people in OK in general.

I was only referring to the people who are in favor of this law and the Senators who represent OK.

I say the same thing about the area where I live since it's red by a 2 to 1 margin.

If it wasn't for the Pittsburgh & Philadelphia areas, PA would lean far right overall.

Sorry if I offended you, it was unintentional.

:toast:

[Okie4Obama]

50. The people are great in OK, until you get into religion and politics.

I stay because of my family, because my house costs 1/5th of what it would cost on the coast, because parts of Oklahoma are gorgeous, because there is a stark beauty on the prairie. The people in Oklahoma are in general friendly and helpful to their neighbors...until you step out of the norm. This is when I question if I should stay or if I should just split. My six year old has already had her friends look at her in shock and almost disgust because she doesn't attend church. I've had a 2nd grader tell me how I should go to LifeChurch if I'm "really a Christian." I actually fear my daughter becoming a religious fundamentalist from peer pressure more than using drugs. People still drive around with Palin bumper stickers in my town. I didn't dare attend the town hall meetings with Coburn and Inhofe, because I value my car's paint job.

About 1/3 of Oklahomans vote Democratic in national elections, so I do not know if there is any way to save my state from the hard right, unless you can convince the majority that voting against their own best interest just because they think abortion is murder and the Southern Baptist convention loves Rush Limbaugh is an awful idea.

[brendan120678]

37. It's not just a proposed bill, it already is law...

It goes into effect on November 1.

[ezgoingrl]

12. We do have a decent Dem. governor in Oklahoma.

I don't think he would sign that into law.

[Wednesdays]

20. I live in OK, and I doubt he'd sign it, too...willingly...

but the wingnuts hold the legislature and can either pass over his veto, or bring down enough pressure so to force him into some kind of "compromise." :eyes:

The "good folk" of the state (the ones outside the lib'ruls in Norman and big cities) will back up this trash legislation 100%, as will the Daily Disappointm...I mean the Daily Oklahoman.

[Okie4Obama]

46. He did sign it into law, and I can't believe he did it.

I am really disappointed in Gov. Henry. I wonder if he's positioning himself for a Senator run.

[Piwi2009]

48. Gov. Henry does what he can

The poor man is as prochoice as he can be in a place like Oklahoma, which is not much if he wants to hold office.

[knitter4democracy]

14. New bill introduced requirers every viagra/levitra/whatever scrip to be posted.

That's what I would do if I were a lawmaker there. I'd write up a bill putting all that same info on-line for men getting ED meds and work like a dog to get it passed or the other one rescinded.

[Starry Messenger]

15. Then I want vasectomy.com

:sarcasm:

These laws are like snuff porn for the right wing. Ridiculous.

[Bandit]

16. Oklahoma, where three quarters of High School children

don't know who the vice-President is or who the very first President of the USA was. Anyone believe they will read any of this material? Nothing from Oklahoma would surprise me. They voted in Inhofe and Coburn..Grey matter is sadly lacking in that state.

[Renew Deal]

17. That's doesn't stand a chance in court

What a waste of time.

[Odin2005]

18. That is just wrong.

:wtf:

[RoadRage]

21. Never Gonna Happen.. HIPPA?!

HIPPA Laws won't allow for this... everyone has a right to privacy for all medical proceedures. If I can't find out what kind of medication my mom is taking for her heart unless she gives her doctor permission to tell me, I have to assume that this information will also be legally protected.

And, if it's just statistics that they are looking for (race, age, etc..) I think they probably already have a database in most states with that info already (just up to the states on if they track it). How else do they know that "70% of abortions are had by women between the ages of 18 - 24" or whatever crap statistics they spew out all day long. They have to get the info from someplace, right?

[Mass]

29. Not collecting names and addresses. This is how they get around HIPPA.

Still sick, because in rural areas, it is probably enough information to identify the mother.

[derby378]

31. Doesn't matter - if you can easily identify the patient...

...it's a violation of HIPAA. Bang, bang, Maxwell's Silver Hammer comes down on this bill...

[Vidar]

22. Dunking stools & pillories are next.

[jus_the_facts]

24. Why would anyone tell the truth?

[joeycola]

25. good lord, it is already a LAW-effective next month!!

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/10/07/okla_abortion/
Wednesday, Oct. 7, 2009 10:08 PDT

The details of your abortion online?

Feminists for Choice alerts us to a new Oklahoma law (yes, law, not "proposed legislation" or "some kind of sick joke") set to go into effect Nov. 1 that would collect detailed data about each abortion performed -- and post it all on a public Web site called ShameOnYouWhore.com.

"They're really just trying to frighten women out of having abortions"
Whether or not the law survives a current lawsuit, experts say, anyone tracking antiabortion legal strategy nationwide needs to keep a watchful eye on Oklahoma.

[hootinholler]

35. Oh good

The shameonyouwhore.com is a strikethrough. Well, not that there's anything good about this.

-Hoot

[Mass]

27. How is this law even legal? It is just sick.\nt

[sinkingfeeling]

28. You see Oklahoma legislators don't have anything else to worry about. It's not like the state ranks

in the cellar on education, children's health, poverty, or anything.

[Triana]

38. #1 American Taliban Priority: CONTROL WOMEN n/t

[Downtown Hound]

32. WTF???

Since when is it legal to post somebody's medical history online without their permission? This law is simply downright fascist!

[NikolaC]

36. Sick

Hopefully the courts will put a stop to it.

[Romulox]

40. I think this is an Unconstitutional "undue burden" to exercise of the right to an abortion

As well as a violation of at least one of those "penumbra" of privacy implicit in the Substantive Due Process doctrine.

[KansDem]

42. Let me see if I understand this: These details are to be made public but those who contributed...

...to California's Prop 8 are to be kept secret?

Oh, wait...two states, two different kinds of religious wackos!

[Triana]

44. GOOD point.

Damn good point you've made here. :applause:

[Piwi2009]

45. Usually the proper response to something like this is a boycott

Except people are already boycotting Oklahoma for being...well, Oklahoma.

[Okie4Obama]

47. As I said in another thread, every time I log into DU...

I hate my state more. My family has lived in Oklahoma for 117 years, but it is definitely time to leave. I don't know how we went from a state that had a strong socialist party, produced people like Woody Guthrie, to this shithole of a theocracy. Oklahoma is what the rest of the country will look like if Democrats do not stop knuckling under to reactionary, war-mongering, religious fundamentalists. This law is disgusting and repugnant.

[plcdude]

49. Well said

neighbor. Not all of the people in Oklahoma fundamentalist morans

[Piwi2009]

51. I admire southern liberals/progressives most of all

I mean, what kind of courage does it take to be one in a blue state, with safety in numbers? Imagine the plight of southern libs/prog's,
surrounded by lunatics who know how to shoot. They have my utmost respect.