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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 03:01 AM
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Good Morning, Moon
Edited on Thu Oct-08-09 03:38 AM by omega minimo
"For just as we write in good faith what happens in our own time, and so to speak paint the state of our affairs, so that we put it on view to those who come after, and their successors, they also have done the same thing who were before us, from which it comes about by the common association of men that by combined endeavors our life becomes as it were more prolonged, and fuller, and we are able to pronounce on the state of things as if we had been present at them all."

Niccolo Cabeo, Italian Astronomer (1586-1650)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q6YWDm0GSU


http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LCROSS/main/index.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html



From giant leap to big bang: Nasa prepares moon smashing satellite
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/oct/07/moon-lcross-nasa-mission
Nasa's attempt to smash two probes into the moon's surface could prove the presence of water and hint at a faster, cheaper future for space exploration

Indeed, the entire mission reads like a delicate extraterrestrial ballet. Soon after taking off from Florida, LCROSS used gravity to slingshot itself into a wide orbit around the Earth that would eventually coincide with the moon.

Soon, as it closes in on the moment of impact, the craft will divide in two. The Saturn fuel tank will detach from the body of the main LCROSS unit – which, stuffed with cameras and sensing equipment, acts the mission's brain. The empty fuel tank will then hit the moon at a sharp angle while the shepherding craft spends several minutes filming the first impact, analysing the dust cloud and sending information back to ground control. In addition to those observations, an array of telescopes and cameras on Earth and in space will be watching to grab images.

Then, finally, the second vehicle will also smash into the moon's surface – providing another bite of the cherry for those observing from thousands of miles away.

"These and several other telescopes participating in the LCROSS observation campaign will provide observations from different vantage points using different types of measurement techniques," says Jennifer Heldmann, who is leading the observation effort.
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The target being tracked by the team at Ames is a 98km-wide hole called Cabeus, which lies just a short distance from the Shackleton crater – the proposed location for Nasa's crewed lunar outpost, which it hopes to have completed by 2024. Discovering a potential water supply has obvious benefits for that scheme, not least providing astronauts with a potential reservoir that they can tap into rather than rely on shipments from Earth.

And while the existence of usable water inside Cabeus is still a hypothesis, the decision to target that crater is based on detailed information. Just a couple of weeks ago, the Indian Chandrayaan satellite appeared to confirm the existence of water in the region — subsequently confirmed by data from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, the vessel that LCROSS hitched a ride into space alongside.


The Months of the Moon
http://www.pathcom.com/~newmoon/month2.htm

Dieties of the Moon
http://www.bol.sapphiremoon.info/ll/deities.htm
Lunar Lore
http://www.equinoxastrology.com/LunarLore.htm



Cabeus Crater
named for Niccolo, Cabeo, Itaian Astronomer (1586-1650)
http://books.google.com/books?id=-btchdnNT6kC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=%22niccolo+cabeo%22&source=bl&ots=eTaTNXXdjG&sig=A_g54dr0BRg33s9kjaAQgxTB_yQ&hl=en&ei=9o_NSua9Fo_2sgPrz8W6BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#v=onepage&q=%22niccolo%20cabeo%22&f=false

http://www.google.com/moon/

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-moon8-2009oct08,0,708425.story

For decades after the Apollo missions of the late 1960s and early 1970s, scientists considered the moon to be little more than a dry wasteland.

But in 1999, NASA's Lunar Prospector mission found evidence of hydrogen, a possible indicator of water, in permanently shadowed craters at both poles. Since then, other spacecraft have detected the same thing, leading scientists to wonder whether large stores of ice billions of years old are hidden in craters that never get sunlight.

According to scientists, water on the moon would be as valuable as gold. Not only would it be useful to drink, should President Obama continue former President George W. Bush's ambitious plan to build a lunar base there after 2020, but it could be broken down to make breathable air and even rocket fuel.

Transporting water to the moon, on the other hand, would cost $50,000 a pound.

The crater-observing satellite launched June 18 attached to a second spacecraft, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. Shortly after launch, the two separated.

The orbiter continued on to begin a yearlong mission to map the moon in search of landing sites for future lunar colonists.

The sensing satellite went into a long, looping orbit around the Earth to line itself up for Friday's impact.

Originally, spacecraft controllers had chosen a nearby crater, Cabeus A, as the target. But last week, they decided it wasn't as good a potential source for water as Cabeus, a 60-mile-wide valley near the moon's south pole.

Andrews said satellite controllers were aiming for a spot in the northwest region of the crater, where temperatures of minus 397 degrees Fahrenheit would ensure that any water would be frozen as hard as rock.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 03:55 AM
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1. And, as a NASA scientist pointed out.
The impact will contain no explosives... so we aren't technically "bombing" the moon.

and

There are larger impacts than the one we are doing about 3 times every month.

The difference with this one is that we know when and where and we will have instruments right over the impact site when it happens. None of which is true for the other impacts.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 03:56 AM
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2. Sounds like they'll have a brief time to observe and collect data as the debris descends.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 06:01 AM
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5. About four minutes
But they'll have SEVERAL telescopes and sensors pointed at the impact, both on the ground and in space. Including the Hubble.

It'll be the most observed, recorded and analyzed event in space.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 09:53 AM
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7. "It'll be the most observed, recorded and analyzed event in space."
Next to humans observing the moon every month for millennia :hi:
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:28 PM
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15. In space, no one can hear you bomb the moon.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:04 PM
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18. You sure about that?
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 05:14 AM
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3. Plus with this one we'll be able to peer into the hole we crack in the surface
so we can see the Moon Insect Creatures finally.




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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 05:32 AM
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4. They should name the moon-colliding craft the "Méliès"
Edited on Thu Oct-08-09 05:32 AM by Dennis Donovan
In honor of the filmmaker who first depicted "A Trip To the Moon" (as depicted in your OP).
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:27 PM
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14. and the moon base


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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 06:53 AM
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6. Earth to Moon: "Dance!"
or "Duck!"
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:04 AM
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8. Our god is a god of vengeance. A god of hate. A god of action!
Our god is an Indian who can turn into a wolf.

Yes, Wolfen will come after you with his razor.

Jumping is useless.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:10 AM
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9. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
Aristotle
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:28 AM
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10. In his defense...
HiFructosePronSyrup sounded pretty entertained.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:12 PM
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13. .
"I would rather entertain and hope that people learned something than educate people and hope they were entertained."
Walt Disney

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yawnmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:56 PM
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16. Problem is to get my thoughts properly entertained takes some good liquor.
Otherwise my thoughts do nothing but complain about what a crappy party I'm having in my head.
Then they leave.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:03 PM
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17. Then you feel
spaced out?

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 03:53 PM
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25. Thank you, Omega Minimo.
I'm highly entertained by your thoughts, but I do not accept them.

Btw, did you think about that Aristotle quote before you quoted it?
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Zix Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 04:26 PM
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26. Someone somewhere should have said "Irony reserves its most elegant barbs for the wise."

But they haven't.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:50 PM
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29. All this worldly wisdom was once the unamiable heresy of some wise person.

All this worldly wisdom was once the unamiable heresy of some wise person.
Henry David Thoreau

Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.
Thomas Jefferson

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:04 PM
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30. Sweet ~
:kick:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:40 PM
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31. "Whoever speaks in primordial images speaks with a thousand voices..." - CG Jung
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:35 AM
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11. I'm with C.S. Lewis, Jr. - "Mr. Moon, you don't mess around with God's America"
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:08 PM
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12. He was a Christian pagan
is it safe to click your link?
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:35 PM
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19. Different CS Lewis. This is Bob Odenkirk's patriotic Christian country singer...
Link is from Mr. Show - "We're gonna blow up the moon!"
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:55 PM
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24. +1 for anything from Mr. Show.
:hi:

"And before I die, I'm gonna fuck me a fish!"
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:43 PM
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20. The roosters are out. This thread has potential. nt
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:51 PM
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21. I cannot believe that DUers are bitching about:
A) This moon experiment looking for water.

and

B) The fact that some people hold the moon sacred as part of their Constitutionally guaranteed religious beliefs.

(not necessarily this thread - there ar many on the subject)
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:51 PM
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22. I cannot believe
how much trouble we have connecting dots and simply considering different ideas without :nuke:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:54 PM
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23. If you're inclined to Recommend, please note:
We were up to +5, until this morning, this eclectic collection of information caused some sort of brain freeze. Maybe if they take it a little bit at a time, like ice cream, don't eat it too fast, mmmmmmmmmm brain food......................................... with PITCHERS!!!!

:think: :loveya:
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 05:10 PM
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27. k&r
Too late I'm afraid.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 06:51 PM
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28. ok
:hi:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:43 PM
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32. All your bases now belong to us.
Lunercy!
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