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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:27 AM
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What does it feel like when you are hungry?
Give yourself $100 for yourself and your three chldren for a week (if you're lucky). And then see/tell what it feels like.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:29 AM
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1. Live off of $303 a month when your rent is $200.
I know what it's like. Do you?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:31 AM
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2. Rice and oatmeal, been there........
:hug:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:35 AM
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4. Lots of Raman, I'll tell you that.
I now have $704 a month, so I feel like I'm in the lap of luxury. :)

:toast:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:22 AM
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17. You are on my "I PROMISE" list if I win the lottery!
:hug:
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:33 AM
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3. Yes, it's the same ratio.....assuming that there aren't any others under your 'concern'
It s*cks ....and is VERY VERY DIFFICULT. Having 'others' (children) adds a whole another dimension to the scenario.......
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:36 AM
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5. It doesn't help that any real food is priced through the roof.
So you end up living off of total garbage.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:36 AM
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6. I guess I never learned to "lie right".....otherwise I'd be a success
I'm too naive/try-to-be-honest. I must learn to *hustle* more, right?
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:00 AM
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7. I just did it on paper using Florida Walmart prices. I can do the food, but the other stuff is....
... what would kill me.

If we're talking cash here, and not food stamps, then I can do the food and have about $15 left over, but we're talking about a parent and three kids. I can probably make some substitutes to have $30 for stuff like toilet paper, cleaning supplies, patent medicines- but cold or flu week is going to be rough.

Anyway, here's my list:

6 loaves bread @ $2/loaf
2 each peanut butter and jelly $8
20 Ramen $3
4 lbs chicken $8
Fake Cherrios $4
milk $3
spaghetti $2
hamburger $5
spag sauce $4
lettuce and dressing $6
popcorn $3
pretzels $2
margarine $1
sugar $1
coffee $2
creamer $2
eggs $3
frozen veggies $14
ketchup $2
fruit $6
______________subtotal $79

Maybe we could spend a little on pizza. God, I am tearing up a bit now. Not because of pizza, because it's a big decision and there are kids involved.

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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:15 AM
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8. You've got it......
and that is what REAL PEOPLE.....real 'honest' people are doing/working with today. In Amurkia. (I intentionally mis-spell here b/c AMERICA was meant to be ~ and CAN BE ~ much, much, MUCH better than this!!!!!
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:17 AM
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15. tofu is 99 cents at Ralphs, cheap nutritious protein. Throw in 8 tubs for 8 bucks.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:20 AM
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9. $100 is a luxury to many families. I have been dirt poor before.
This is what I can do with $100 a week for groceries. It isn't the healthiest of diets, but with that money it would be very hard if you wanted to provide a little variety and cut down the complaints from the kids.
$100/week is 21 meals which is just around $5 a meal.
7 of those meals are breakfast. The budget is $35. You can buy 2 large bags of Malt o Meal cereals for $5 each and a gallon of milk for $4. Throw in a bag of apples for $4 and a bunch of bananas for $2. That brings the cost of nutritious breakfasts to $20 for 7 days. Net $15 on your budget. So now you have $80 left for 14 meals.
For lunch, I used to "treat" the kids to TV dinners. You can get them for $1.00 each and the kids enjoy them and they really are not that bad--providing a variety of kid-friendly foods and very convenient for the caregiver. 7 days of these cost $28. Throw in a large bag of pre-made salad that will cover 3-4 meals for $5 and a bottle of dressing for $2. Lunch total is $35. No overage for the budget.
You now have $45 left for 7 meals. Looking at Krogers weekly ad, they have chicken for .99 lb, pork chops for $1.99 a pound, ground chuck $1.99/lb and whole chicken for .88 cents a pound. Green Giant frozen vegetables for 4/$5.00, ice cream for $1.99 (need a treat), fresh broccoli .87 a pound, fresh green beans .99 pound, and then there are always canned goods that are fairly cheap. I always keep a couple of bags of dried beans, onions and rice on hand when I need some stretchers.
You can easily put together 7 meals out of the above with $45.
It isn't easy. Not at all.
However, I appreciate your post.
There are folks out there who have to survive on much much less. That is where I have to sit and scratch my head and wonder how they do it.



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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:38 AM
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10. I like your methodology.
I didn't think of it as "7 breakfast budget equals" . I was going with something like "well, we can all eat PB and J for lunch and cherrios for breakfast , ..."

And I forgot rice. I could feed an army with rice, and they might even like it.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:45 AM
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11. You could use your methodology
and cut out some waste (the TV dinners for instance)...but I have found kids like those kinds of treats, and they come with proper portions, a meat (?),a couple of veggies and a dessert. You really can't beat it for a buck! Substitute the peanut butter and you could surely save some $$ here.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:20 AM
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16. no tomatoes or tomato sauce? and regular salad makings are way cheaper than prewashed
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 02:47 AM
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23. If the kids are school age, then
they would probably be eating 5 of those lunches at school. How would that fit into the equation?
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 04:27 AM
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12. I have been hungry
Several times in my life. It's not fun. I can't imagine raising little ones too!

When I was first disabled back in 1993 we got kicked out of our apartment just around the same time I got my first Social Security check. The rent on our new apartment was 450.00 a month and my check was 525.00 a month.Applied for food stamps..didn't get them for weeks. One day we called and we had like 300.00 back pay in food stamps. I tell you, you talk about a load being taken off. Bobby was with me at the time, we were kids and we were raising a 14-year-old lesbian girl who we took off the streets. It's bad enough when you yourself go hungry..but knowing your lover and foster daughter is hungry too? We made it though. Laurie is manager of a whole foods (uh-oh) and my ex and his lover are doing well.

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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:10 PM
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13. eggs are inexpensive as well.....
Edited on Thu Oct-08-09 11:31 PM by Mind_your_head
99 cents/dozen. You can make scrambled, an omelet, quiche ......good protein. Easy to make and quick clean-up too.

edit: spelling
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:15 AM
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14. So right, eggs are the biggest bang for your buck. Used to
make my kids 'mom mcmuffins', eggs, cheese, english muffin. Made them in bulk and froze them, pop in the micro when you want one. The perfect nutritious 'grab and shove' for breakfast, lunch or dinner.
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:29 AM
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18. Don't immediately go "yuck," but
I have eaten produce out of the grocery store's dumpster. They throw it out when packaged items are past an expiration date or loose stuff is a little wilted or withered, and you can salvage both fresh fruits and veggies that way.

(And to think that somebody here called me a REPUBLICAN. What an insult!)

I said I was done with practical advice, but people are hurting, dammit, and if I have something to suggest I don't feel like withholding something that could help.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:33 AM
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19. Been there, done that
Some people, when they have nightmares, dream of showing up to work naked or falling or being chased by something unknown but terrifying.

I dream of those years.
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Berserker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:35 AM
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20.  Mind_your_head
Check your PM
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 02:07 AM
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21. It feels like my blood sugar is crashing, so I have to eat little bits through the day...
When I met my husband he was living on Ramen, celery, spring water, peanuts and beer. My budget numbers are round $300 per, though while there's just the two of us we're part of a food co-op, for lack of a better, where we buy and cook and take food round to others, they that aren't able to cook, or don't have a kitchen, we cook and send food back around; or people cook for us, which is a treat. And that helps with cost for everyone. Also coupons coupons help, I love coupons
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 02:31 AM
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22. Hunger hurts.
You spend the first few days thinking about food non-stop. Dreaming about it. You can smell what people are cooking two houses down, and it makes you drool and your stomach clenches painfully. You feel shaky and weak whenever you think about food.

Although it's happened a lot more than this in my life, here's one particularly painful memory about hunger. It happened when I was newly pregnant. I was 20 years old and we were living in Utica, NY. We didn't have photo IDs, we had no car, and pregnancy was hitting me hard--getting a normal job was pretty much impossible for either of us. With the lack of photo IDs and documentation (all that had been left behind when I fled my abusive husband) getting welfare would have been impossible too, if I'd thought to try. Unfortunately, I didn't even know that welfare existed for people who didn't already have kids. I didn't know that being pregnant would "count."

Rhythm worked as a day laborer for a company called "Labor Ready." Every day at 5:00 am, she'd walk downtown to go stand in line outside of the Labor Ready building. Assignments were given out on a first-qualified-person-who-comes basis, and women were *far* less likely to meet the "qualifications" for most jobs than men. If Rhythm got an assignment, she'd be gone for about 9 hours and then get paid in cash when she got back to the Labor Ready office. She'd buy something for dinner with that money on her way home. If she didn't get an assignment, then we didn't eat. Waiting for her at home alone, I never knew whether I'd eat that day or not. Breakfast and lunch were like dreams from another life; I lived for the dinner I might or might not get. We had no phone, no TV, no radio. no heat, and the autumn nights in upstate New York can be damned cold. We were isolated in a strange city where we didn't know anyone, and we had nowhere to turn for help.

This went on for about 5 weeks. One day we were walking near Faxton Hospital. Rhythm hadn't gotten an assignment for 3 days, and we couldn't stand to sit at home and think about food, so we decided to just go walk around. I think I had seen an ER doctor at Faxton that day for some spotting that concerned me. Anyway, there's a McDonald's right across the street from that hospital, and when we walked past it, the smell from the grill exhaust wafted over and overwhelmed us. Rhythm turned pale, but kept her composure. I collapsed into a heap on the sidewalk, sobbing hysterically out of hunger and frustration and fear. I was about three months pregnant then, and I had never felt so hungry and desperate in my entire life. A couple of people stopped to see if I was okay, and Rhythm told them point-blank...she's pregnant and she hasn't eaten in three days. Someone ran over to the McDonald's and brought me back a cheeseburger. I took three voracious bites and then promptly threw it right back up. I was horrified--not because of public puking, but because I'd had FOOD right there, and I had "wasted" it by throwing up.

A few weeks later, Rhythm had a good run of luck with the Labor Ready jobs. We managed to scrimp and save enough to buy two Greyhound tickets to Virginia, to where my Mom and stepfather lived. We packed what we could fit into two duffel bags, abandoned all of our other belongings, and left. Since we'd spent all our money on the tickets, we had none left for anything to eat on the way. My one and only visit to New York City was when we changed buses at the Port Authority station; I was sick and starving, but I still thought the skyline was incredibly beautiful. This was in November of 1999...the Trade Center towers were still there, and I will always remember being amazed at their height, and the fact that I could still see them even when we were 30-odd miles away into New Jersey.

We went through Albany, New York City, and on to Washington D.C. with layovers that lasted for hours before finally getting on the bus that would take us to Harrisonburg. It took about two days. My stepfather was waiting for us at the bus station in his enormous green Pontiac. I was so relieved to see him that I was literally weeping for the whole ride home to my Mom's place. When we got there, I walked in the door of her mobile home and collapsed on the couch. She was making a simple dinner--those Gorton's baked fish things and french fries--but it was like heaven to me. I ate until I got sick, then I ate again more slowly. Over the course of the next week, I could never stop getting up to look at Mom's cabinets and fridge. It was like I couldn't quite believe that after 3 months of being hungry, the food was really there. Rhythm got a job at a local meat-packing plant and we went crazy for a while with food. I would wake up in the middle of the night and Rhythm make an entire pork chop dinner at 3:00 am, just because we COULD.

To this day, I still have nightmares. I also tend to get panicky whenever the cabinets are looking even slightly un-stocked. I can't help it. I don't know if I will ever stop being afraid that the food will be taken away from me someday.

Anyway, that's one of my stories.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:11 PM
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24. ....
I am speechless but I can't just read your story and move on.

I've just realized that, for as common as hunger is around the world and here, I've never really read or heard a description of what it's like to be hungry-to-the-bone like that--except maybe in descriptions of wartime, but not the "everyday" hunger that is all too common. In America we hear descriptions of the opposite... how hard it is to control one's appetite when surrounded by fast food and junk. I have never, ever read a description of hunger that was as upsetting as yours--sure, I could try to imagine being a parent having to put one's kids to bed hungry, because as a parent I know how you would saw off a limb without question if it were necessary to take care of your child, but I never had a clear picture until now what "hungry" really means. (And I realize that until I experience it myself, I still won't truly understand.)

Thank you for sharing your story. No wonder you panic when you think of returning to that kind of situation. :hug:
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:36 PM
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26. I dreamt of fish
I experienced my greatest hunger on a 10-day water-only fast.

By the tenth day I was dreaming of food of which I normally thought little.

Time also slows considerably. Days seem to last much longer without the food breaks that normally occur. And when you're not eating you are acutely aware of "breakfast time", "lunch time" and "dinner time," not to mention "snack time."

I really, really appreciate what hunger feels like and do not take the hunger pangs of others lightly.

Note: I am not encouraging nor do I encourage others to go without any food for an extended period of time.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:48 PM
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29. thanks for posting
peace and low stress..
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:21 PM
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25. Kick for the worthwhile responses on this thread.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:37 PM
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27. It hurts, eventually hunger stops and it's just pain.
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 01:41 PM by TxRider
Been there, done that.

Got so bad that when I did get food I wasn't physically able to swallow it.

Family found me in that state and hauled me away and helped me.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:46 PM
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28. The occasional fit of the feeling of being feverish and nauseous accompanied or followed by
a spike of a pang is the part that I really can't stand.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:51 PM
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30. I don't know
Perhaps if more of us did know...

thanks for the OP and all those that replied..
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 03:43 PM
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31. laying on the floor of a floor of my apt (actually a single room) staring at the ceiling
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 03:43 PM by Javaman
I hadn't eaten for 3 days. I had 34 cents in my pocket. I had eaten the last of the flour and water 3 days before. Basically, hardtack.

I was mildly delirious from hunger.

I found and old news paper in the trash outside my place. There was an ad for a blood bank about giving blood for money.

I drank what water I could and did the best to keep it down.

It was very hot, but I walked the 4 miles to the clinic in Van Nuys.

I was so emaciated, that my veins collapsed when they first tried to put the needle in my arm. They finally found one that worked. I was only able to give half a pint.

I threw up the cookies I shoved down my throat when I got there.

I finally broke down.

The nurse felt sorry for me and gave me the $15 bucks as if I gave a full pint.

I looked at her through my teary, weary, worn out eyes. I tried to smile at her kindness. She just said to me, "please, get something to eat".

The was the lowest day in my life.

I had been hungry and homeless before and since, but nothing like that day.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 03:51 PM
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32. It ain't easy...been there. Lots of Pasta, Rice, Beans, Potatoes,


And, I was pregnant at the time.

We weren't hungry, only because I cooked homemade and cheap. It wasn't fun, though.
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