I'm betting that all over the country tonight, school officials are reviewing..

[MnFats]

...
their lockdown/security/defense of student procedures.
If I were a school principal or superintendent -- school or college....I would be sweating bullets over whether my institution had it right, had enough security and a quick way to get cops to my school.

There are anniversaries this time of year, you know....Columbine, Waco and Oklahoma City.

And of course, Hitler's birthday.


I can imagine shift commanders telling cops before the shift goes out tomorrow morning to stay close to schools.

I am being paranoid, of course.

but i talked to a couple of mid-level school administrators today and off the record they are fucking terrified....of copycats, nutcases and grudge-holders.

if you know somebody in that line of work ... education or law enforcement...might offer them some support. They're gonna be a little jumpy the next few days...

[zanne]

1. We'll do anything but address the real problem. Guns. nt

[CountAllVotes]

2. yep

I agree!

:dem:

[JuniperLea]

6. Why even go there?

There are a lot of security measures that were obviously NOT in place on this campus! Students were allowed in after the fact! THAT is what this thread is about. Not your pet peeve.

You don't know what was in the killer's mind. You don't know what he was capable of. You don't know that in the absence of a gun he wouldn't think of another way to cause this mayhem.

[zanne]

7. Don't "go there"?

You're kidding, right?

[JuniperLea]

9. No, I'm not

You know for a fact bringing the gun issue in only starts flame wars. What you don't know for a fact is if ALL guns can be removed from a society that has always had them. Not going to happen. Instead of blaming the guns that you will never completely get rid of, how about working to get tougher sentences for those who commit crimes with a gun?

[zanne]

11. Sorry I took you out of your "comfort zone".

But sometimes it's a good idea to think.

[JuniperLea]

15. All you have is insults, huh?

That's your answer, your snappy comeback.

You have lost all credibility. G'day.

[zanne]

24. Did you think I'd go away because you hurt my feelings?

I'm made of sterner stuff than that.

[ends_dont_justify]

32. Then why is this post so ill thought out? N/T

[futureman]

10. PUH-LEEZE!

Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat! This was able to become a bigger tragedy because schools are a gun free zone. Had one of the victims been carrying it might have been over much sooner. Anyone ever heard of a mass slaying at a shooting range or a gun show?

[zanne]

14. Ever hear of a drive-by knifing? nt

[Just-plain-Kathy]

27. Donald Trump, Is that you?

[Not Sure]

17. Killing is already against the law

so anyone who would fire a weapon at another person on a school campus is breaking the law, whether any law is there to prohibit weapons or not. You think that making guns illegal is going to keep would-be killers from using them?

[JuniperLea]

28. Well said

If passing laws actually stopped things from happening, we'd have no murders, no stealing... hell, we'd be living in Utopia!

As with most issues that include laws, lawmaking and law breaking, a stricter enforcement of the existing law is the first step. Stiffer penalties for using a gun during a crime would help too.

Some people kill others with their cars. I don't see anyone all up in arms (pardon the pun) over vehicular manslaughter or pre-meditated murder by Mazda!

[Rabrrrrrr]

34. Yes, because once we make guns illegal, we'll all live in peace and harmony and all wars will cease.

Yep.

Guns are the only problem.

:eyes:

I'm so fucking sick of hearing that bullshit.

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. Unless we give teachers guns,

we can't prevent incidents like this.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

4. Arming the teachers seems an unusual solution. They would have to work weapon maintenance and target

practice into their lives. MKJ

[davepc]

5. They do it in Israel

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. Well I am glad I don't teach in Israel then

[eyl]

26. Actually, they don't

:)

[MnFats]

8. arming teachers is a crazy idea. Security guards, cops maybe in schools...

...
but do you want teachers in class with a .380 under the armpit or on the hip?
Old mr. Robertson, frail old sage, is going to take out Drexel Spivey?
what happens the first time a teacher jumps the gun, so to speak, and kills a student mistakenly?
and what happens the first time a student or intruder takes a teacher's gun away and kills someone -- the teacher or a classroom full of students?
no...you want somebody armed in schools, let it be someone who's a professional in the field...not someone who maybe never picked up a firearm in their entire life..

[JuniperLea]

12. I agree

I was raised with guns. The last person I want to see have one is someone who knows nothing about them.

When I was in high school some 30 years ago, we had armed security. I was young and rebellious, and tried to make a lot of noise to get rid of the guns. I have since grown up. Professional gun slingers sounds like a horrid thing, but in a society that has always had guns, there's not a chance in hell you could get rid of them all. I'd rather see an armed professional guarding my kids.

But mainly, I want to see some damn procedures in place! Letting kids come and go after a shooting is stupid.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Silly me, I would rather not have any guns in our schools

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. And we don't have time for that

So I guess we are out of luck.

[aikoaiko]

31. You're right, there are enough teachers who would voluntarily take on the burdern of carrying

... a concealed weapon to protect themselves and the children.

[seabeyond]

13. man i hate this. shit happens. always has, always will. cannot prevent

all things. cannot see ahead of the eight ball. the school are already damn near ridiculous on their paranoia, locked doors, rules ect....

we will NOT be able to prevent all shit from happening to all people.

we do the best we can. we take care of those when shit does happen.

but i am nOT afraid that tomorrow my kid is going to be gun down at school, and i hope to god that the other parents are reasonable on this.

our schools kick ass. they work hard at keeping kids safe, and doing what needs to be done for our kids

[JuniperLea]

16. The voice of reason

Thanks for this, seabeyond. You are so right.

[seabeyond]

18. it is this mentality that we have willingly given away all rights at airports

strip us down, humiliate us, dont look in their eyes, lower the head.... whatever it takes for an ILLUSION of safety. not our world in the past. why are we demanding it today. it cannot be done and we end up allowing police unprecident power and control over us in the name of keeping us safe which they cant do anyway.

we lose.

we lose what we had

we lose cause cops cannot stop it all, they are not supermen or women

[JuniperLea]

25. What's the Franklin quote?

Something about he who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither?

[treestar]

35. It is in my sig line

If traffic is low enough for sig lines!

[JuniperLea]

39. One of my favorites! n/t

[gravity]

22. Maybe they should review their psychological services

There isn't much law enforcement is going to do to prevent another shooting spree from occurring. It would be better to focus on preventing the problem from happening in the first place.

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. Bingo!!

Imagine that- prevention!!

[JuniperLea]

30. See my post #29

You can't prevent the mentally ill from getting guns with psychological tests.

[JuniperLea]

29. Litmus tests are fallible

Don't forget the much tested and re-tested female astronaut! NASA puts people under the most stringent of testing! And we will forever remember the nut job they allowed into space who later wore a diaper and a fedora on her cross country stalking trip.

Not only do the bad guys sometimes slip through those cracks, but a few good guys could have a bad testing day and lose their Constitutional right to have a gun.

[treestar]

36. For once, a preventative suggestion aimed at the person who would

do the shooting!

:yourock:

[JuniperLea]

40. Except that litmus tests fail...

Ask NASA.

:)


I agree that background checks should be mandatory. But in this case, if this youngster had no police record, it wouldn't have worked either.

[treestar]

41. I had forgotten about that astronaut!

The diaper wearing astronaut's 15 minutes of fame are already over!

True, though the litmus test could work most of the time, nothing's infallible. There's always going to be someone to slip through the cracks. That always struck me in the Columbine case, that those kids happened to slip through every crack there was - one catch somewhere might have prevented it, but we'll never know.

[treestar]

33. How can something like this be prevented, in all honesty?

The ban of guns on campus didn't do it.

Then there is the question of how much do we limit our lives in the name of preventing something really exotic, by the odds, anyway?

We'd be better off to figure out why we have so many of these attacks relative to other cultures.

[Rabrrrrrr]

37. And all over the country paranoid idiots are CONVINCED it'll happen at their school tomorrow.

And parents will require drastic, huge money expenditures because they're absolutely sure that their children can be protected absolutely.

That's the saddest part of all this.

Is it any wonder that security firms are making shitloads of money, more every year?

[yorkiemommie1]

38. We cannot lock our doors from the inside at our adult school

We would have to say to the shooter, "Um... just a minute while I STEP OUTSIDE" to lock the door.

We've asked our principal about this issue many times only to be told it would be too expensive.